I don't know how it affects video games but it definitely matters in terms of Read/Write times of audio and video, which is why we used SCSI in the 90's and early 2000's, then 7200 RPM to finally, SSD's.

It's nearly impossible to record even 10 audio streams of 32 bit 48k audio simultaneously to a 5400 RPM drive and then if you throw video into the equation, you're looking at continual crashing and errors.

LMAO

LMAO

I'm a huge proponent as well and have been using liquid cooling fans for a decade because my work is extremely CPU intensive.

You might want to revisit this one. Much higher cache and spin speeds of 5900 and larger platters will do just about anything you want.

Just swapped out an older 5TB 7200 drive from my son's gaming PC that was starting to talk loudly with a 4 TB 5900 drive with a 256MB cache and it is noticeably quicker.

In modern cases, which are basically all fans around the outside, you can maintain similar temps to liquid cooling with just air, and due to the low rpms on the larger fans, it is actually quieter. Plus cheaper.

Yeah man, all of the pro audio software and hardware companies recommend nothing less than 7200 RPM drives but typically, SSD's.

It's very intensive to Read/Write huge audio files while streaming video in addition to sample libraries. I need separate SSD's for those, some of which are a TB in size.

Pro audio and video are a completely different animal, unfortunately.

My computers are racked, so there's not much, if any, air flow.

If anyone wants to take a shot at it.....throw something together.

I’m looking to use my computer for gaming, photoshop/illustrator work and then possibly as a media center hub. I may or may not be looking into burning my DVDs to watch later.

Budget is $1400-$1500.

I’d prefer an SSD and maybe two regular hard drives for storage (movies and files).

Probably won’t be OCing at all since I have no idea what goes into it.

I am not sure how hot the new Ryzens run at stock clocks or whether he wants to OC them at all.

I haven't ****ed with AMD since the Athlon 64 days.

Others may disagree but I prefer a portable USB DVD burner, which are less than $30 dollars, as I'd prefer to use my drive bays for hard drives.

https://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronic...s%2C200&sr=8-5

You're the expert in this field so no one can even argue with this. However, I do not think that's the goal for this build.

Yeah, I think most of my recommendations do not apply but I don't mind offering, just in case something becomes useful.

I’ll probably just end up getting a portable blu ray burner because I have blu rays I’ll need to rip.

This is what I would do based on what you were looking at.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dDC6b8

Some of the parts you had selected were out of stock like the PSU and case.

Dropped the RAM speed just a notch because unlike 1st gen Ryzen which was really picky about the type and speed of the RAM, the 3000 series isnt as much and from what research I did the sweet spot was in the 3000-3200 range and everything higher started to see diminishing returns. But it's only like $12 savings so do what you want.

The motherboard is "expected to be in stock" June 16th according to B&H. If you dont want to wait that long then the next 2 best X570 boards are the ASUS TUF Wifi or the Gigabyte Aorus Elite for around the same price, possibly lower.

Spent a little more on a 1TB NVMe. The speeds on SSDs increase with the size of the drive and Samsungs are really overpriced. Not a big fan of HP products but it uses the same components as many other top rated SDDs with the exact same performance ratings so it's more than likely coming off the same damn assembly line with a different sticker on it. (It's only at that price for another 13 hours)

Upgraded the CPU cooler, but its out of stock unless you want to spend a ridiculous amount on it from a random seller on Amazon. The CPU will come with one that will work fine out of the box and you can upgrade to something better down the line if you choose to.

When it comes to computer parts and electronics of any kind, I always purchase directly from Amazon because returns are super easy and replacements arrive very quickly.

In my experience, they're not so easy when it comes to 3rd party seller Amazon returns, nor have they ever been quick.

All they've been in a pain in the ass.

If he's not OCing, does he need that mobo? Also, the PS is semi-modular. And I agree with you, if he's not OCing, he can probably use the stock AMD cooler.

Doesnt need the mobo, but B550 is still not out (Releasing June 16, but who knows what the boards look like and how many will be ready at launch) and I wouldn't recommend putting a Ryzen 7 in a previous gen B450 motherboard.

Ahhh. Makes sense. Could he get away with a Ryzen 5 3600X or do you think it will bottleneck his FPS in games?

There's no chance he'll be bottlenecked by going to a 3600X.

You have to go to serious extremes to bottleneck like pairing a 2080ti with a Ryzen 3 APU.

Also I’m going to be using WiFi for this since my router is downstairs and I’m not running wire though my house (for right now at least).

So I could go with the 3600x and the B450 motherboard and be fine?

So Pest, would you want to go the 3600X route and save a couple of bucks? You will probably still get the same FPS at the same settings with that 2070 Super. And that's really all that matters when it comes to gaming. What FPS can you get on what settings. :)

I’m open to whatever works, man. Lol

I’m not tied to anything one way or another.

I think it's still the same generation as the 3700x (the 3 designates the generation, like before these, they were called the 2700x and 2600x respectively), so the same issue may apply. But again, I have not done much research at all on the Ryzens. Last time I used an AMD was back in the Athlon 64 days in the early's '00s.

Ya. Although if you wanted to go with a B board I would wait for the B550's to launch on June 16th and see what it's all about.

I’m in no hurry to buy anything right now. So I can wait.

So has there been any speculation on how much the B550 boards are going to cost when they come out?

I’m just trying to determine what parts I should start buying and what parts should I wait on.

I havent read anything about them since I'm not building right now but I would imagine lower tier boards will start around $90-100 and the higher tier boards will be around $150.

When I build I start piecing things together if I see a sale, but I only buy things that I can test that they are working with what I already have. I'll buy the case, PSU, GPU, SSD/HD, and fans. I'll buy the motherboard, CPU, and memory all at once because I have no way of testing those to make sure everything is working.

That is good advice. Generally you have a 30 day return window with parts without hassel, so it's a good idea to buy everything together so you can complete the build and verify everything is working ok. If you're beyond the 30 day return window, then you have to deal the manufacturers RMA process, and that is much slower.

I'm lucky, it doesn't take a powerful PC to run Solitaire

Looks like it’s going to be a while before I can get a B550 motherboard. They’re all on back order and sell out as soon as they come available.

Go with an X570. I recently built a system for a friend with the MSI X570-A board, Ryzen 7 3800X, Gigabyte 2070 Super video card - the system was insane in performance.

Honestly the savings isnt near as much as I would have thought. Everyone was pretty shocked at the prices of the boards. If that X570 Tomahawk is in stock I would just buy that. Only talking about $20-30 more than a decent B550.

If that one cant be found at a decent price then the ASUS TUF Wifi or Gigabyte Aorus Elite Wifi would be fine. I've personally got the Elite non wifi version and I've not had a problem with it.

EDIT: It seems everything is sold out right now. Wonder if there is a supply chain issue with the whole covid deal.

How’s this look?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3L3HMc

Looks fine.

Just a couple things

1) I'm not too sure about cooler master PSUs. There used to be a website called johnnyguru who dedicated his life to reviewing and tearing down PSUs and I cant recall a CM PSU he thought well of. He no longer reviews PSUs because he was hired by Corsair but there is still a somewhat active forum community there.

2) The m.2 ssd you selected is just a sata ssd in m.2 form so if you were looking for NVMe you'll want a different drive. However you probably wouldn't notice a difference. The hdd you selected is also optimized for 24/7 streaming. I'm not sure if that's going to be the best option for you.

Recommend you look into replacing that Western Digital drive with a Samsung 970 Evo.

I know it adds to total cost but if there is any way you can get an SSD instead of a spinning drive like that Seagate you’ll always be glad you did. For example, a Crucial 2tb ssd.


*Edit* JD addresses this in point #2 directly above

Ok. Let’s try this again.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mbdJ4n

You have a ton of the same stuff I have in that list other than I went with an Nvidia card.

The card he selected is nvidia. It just has a custom cooler slapped on it by Gigabyte and a slight factory OC..

Everything with the build looks fine. I just cant get over how much the tariffs have absolutely ****ed the PSU market.

Oh durrr I looked at that list way to quickly. What I meant was I didn't go with AMD, I do have another computer that has AMD in it and I've been very satisfied with it.

I like that build a lot. Gonna be awesome...

After doing some more research into the gpu market, I think you should wait till the end of the year. When AMD releases RNDA 2 with ray tracing, they are going to be extremely competitive at the top. You will see big price cuts and huge performance gains. Plus the new AMD cards will be using the same Ray Tracing strategy used in consoles.

Basically, waiting six months will get you a generational leap in performance, which is rare in gpu market these days.

**** waiting, buy it now!

https://i.imgur.com/IoAQcxq.jpg

that pc should be able to play fortnite

If you always wait for the next best thing you'll never buy a computer.

How long do you think a 2070 super would last on just moderate gaming? A long ass time. How generational will the new AMD GPU's be in 4 or 5 years? Not at all.

Definitely.

I'm still using an Intel-based PC for my studio, which has an i4790k processor. It works fine but I really need to build a new computer that has USB-C because I want to take advantage of the Thunderbolt port on my audio interface, which would provide zero latency and almost zero cpu hit.

I've poked around since my earlier post about AMD and it looks like there are a few studio PC builders out there using the Ryzen processors with great success.

The AMD Ryzen 12 core / 24 thread processor is awfully tempting, especially after reading Fish's note about the Intel processors.

Decisions, decisions.

I agree with this to an extent, but we are literally on the actual cusp of both 3000 series and Big Navi. Will it drive current gen prices down? Probably a little bit. Will Pest want to spend a shit ton of money on the new cards? IDK. The 3070 won't be out till even later anyway. Tough decision to make.

2070 Super WILL destroy at 2K on max settings w/o RTX almost every time. So that's a valid point too.

Dan, I don't get it. You ball out of control. Why not just drop $4k on a top of the line pre-built and call it a day? :D

I started building my own PC's back in 1997 and did so for about 7 years, then switched to a water-cooled Mac. I didn't care for the Mac because the thing was a freakin' space heater. It would literally cause the temperature of the room to rise by 10-15 degrees during the course of a day.

By the end of 2007, I purchased a Pro Audio PC from a well respected builder but it just had issue after issue, mainly due to Windows Vista but also due to the graphics card compatibility. That company was bought out and the new company replaced my PC, but I still had plenty of issues.

By 2012, I felt that it would be better for me to start building them on my own again, so I built that computer, then the i4790k in December 2014, which I'm still using to this day.

I guess the bottom line is that I feel more comfortable building and troubleshooting any issue myself because having some guy use TeamViewer every day to figure out the issue or issues is no longer an option.

You are talking about waiting 6+ months on architecture when not many games out can even utilize the current RTX architecture. It's a waste of time waiting.

September is only 2 months away.

I have an RTX 2080 and I have been able to experience RTX in a few games already. I turn it off, though, because I want high FPS. Would be nice to max out at 2K with 100+ FPS and RTX on. :D

It does make a big difference in visuals.

What flavor of 2080 do you have (EVGA, MSI, etc.)? Are you happy with it?

EVGA. It has been solid so far. It is slightly OCed by me.

My old 1070 was an MSI and I was not a huge fan. I can't even remember what the issue was but I just decided not to mess with MSI any more. I think it had something to do with DirectX and it was only affecting MSI products at the time I had it.

MSI Afterburner is nice but EVGA's Precision tool is nice too. It was actually easier for me to use and set up OC and fan speeds.

Oh, just one more thing: The last three ASUS motherboards I've ordered were DOA. I placed them in different years, so it wasn't a matter of a bad batch.

I've used Gigabyte boards since with no issues.

Gigabyte has been a really solid company for a long time. I've stuck with their mobos for 2 decades now.

This thread still alive?

I want to get finally take the plunge into PC gaming; primarily for X plane , DCS, and American Truck simulator. Casual gaming; something to do to unwind after work / weekends. I enjoy the procedures of flying, and like driving. Would likely never get into any sort of FPS or anything.

I probably would be involved with Plane for a while before DCS as I only have some GA aviation peripherals. And would still want to get a decent wheel/pedal shifter and military type HOTAS. Both of which are down the line

How screwed am I $-wise if I want to play X-Plane / DCS smoothly on sort of a 'medium' setting in 1080 single monitor? I'm assuming If a set up plays either of those smoothly, it'll handle American Truck Sim. Is this something (computer only) that could be had in the $1500-1800 range?



X-PLane 12 (as I'm assuming 12 will be surpassing 11 soon)
Recommended Hardware Requirements:
CPU: Intel Core i5 8600k or Ryzen 5 3500 or better, or Apple Silicon
Memory: 16-24 GB RAM or more
Video Card: a DirectX 12-capable video card from NVIDIA or AMD with at least 4 GB VRAM (GeForce GTX 1070 or better, or similar from AMD)


DCS
these were listed as recommended for high settings;....I'd be fine with Medium I suspect.

OS 64-bit Windows 10;
DirectX11;
CPU: Core i5+ at 3+ GHz or AMD FX / Ryzen; RAM:
16 GB (32 GB for heavy missions);
Free hard disk space: 120 GB on Solid State Drive (SSD) + extra space for paid content ;
Discrete video card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 / AMD Radeon RX VEGA 56 with 8GB VRAM or better;
Joystick;
requires internet activation.

American Truck Simulator
Recommended:
OS: Windows 7/8.1/10 64-bit
Processor: Quad core CPU 3.0 GHz
Memory: 6 GB RAM
Graphics: GeForce GTX 760-class (2 GB)
Storage: 7 GB available space

A prebuilt system that would confidently run those games at decent quality would likely run you around $700. If you really shopped around or went the refurb route, you might be able to lower that a bit.

dang, that's good news. I upped my budget just due to. /assuming a pretty big jump for supply chain etc. My original budget was $1k-1200.
I'd probably definitely go the pre-built route, simply because I've never opened up a computer case before, let alone built one.

any recommended sites for pre-builds?

It's really late, and I'm really drunk, but here's a couple quick prebuilds around the price range that look pretty decent. Look for similar specs. I'll try and find some time tomorrow to look at some other good deals.

https://www.newegg.com/hajaan-breeze...8437-_-Product

https://www.newegg.com/hajaan-breeze...4108-_-Product

https://www.newegg.com/p/1VK-01UK-00...5035-_-Product

Man appreciate the info. You’re a gentleman and a scholar.


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Build or prebuilt PC for my needs
 

Is the extra couple of bones worth the increased VRAM? Or is it just lighting money on fire ?

Just to have a little more breathing room for whenever I go down the DCS route? That route will be a ways off anyway. I’ll mainly live in ATS and XP in that order

$1,149.99
HAJAAN BREEZE PRO Gaming Desktop Tower PC - AMD Ryzen 5 3600 Hexa Core Processor 3.60GHz, 16GB DDR4 RAM, 512GB SSD, GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB - Wi-Fi Ready - ARGB Fans - Windows 11 Pro - NEW


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Yeah, you bet. For a gaming PC, the GPU is the most important piece. You mentioned running games at medium, and I missed your price range at the end.

If you like that Hajaan for $1,149 above, you might look at this one too: https://www.newegg.com/hajaan-breeze...9SIAZ8YHJW9876

Double the SSD size, and a better GPU. You could likely run those games at high setting with either machine.

welp...after waffling for months, and even more waffling after Fish suggestions....

I jumped in today and ordered the one linked in this post. I'm always the type that has pretty big anxiety with purhases north of $500 etc...so I think I'll drink a couple beers to calm my nerves.

in all seriousness though, thanks for the recommendations. I've been wanting a gaming computer for yearssssss. every year I say "maybe this time next year" etc and I never end up doing it. I'm stoked to see how this thing runs. Literally my last experience 'gaming' on a computer was with our shitting laptop back in probably 2012-ish on a laptop with maybe 2GB of RAM, and I was doing flight sim on the laptop monitor. LMAO

Now, off to the inter webs to get a desk and a monitor.

Thanks again Fish; appreciate it.:thumb:

Build or prebuilt PC for my needs
 

Question about monitors.

Even if my GPU Gets say 60fps (just a random example). …..if I got a monitor 144hz for future proofing with free or gsync. …..


Will that be ok. Meaning. I issues if the GPU is only pushing 60fps even though the monitor is rated for higher refresh? Assuming gsync or free sync makes that concern moot?


Or just better off going with a 60 or 75hz in 1080. Would imagine at the point in time in the future where the GPU/CPU is upgraded I’d upgrade to run 1440p and my concern about 60hz or 144 in 1080 is moot. ?


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Get the highest refresh rate monitor you can afford for your budget. You do not have to worry about "Matching" refresh rate of monitor and GPU. The system will output the maximum that the hardware is capable of. The monitor refresh rate will be the limiting factor. The GPU will be capable of quite a bit higher refresh rate.

Cool deal. Thanks. I ordered a 1080 144hz 27” yesterday


Damn computer already arrived yesterday from Ontario Canada. I ordered the damn thing on Sunday while watching the nascar race.

Now gotta score some sort of desk and a chair.


Lighting money on fire lately. LMAO

welp, there was a thread a while back where Dane was going over some troubleshooting on his build, and I made some reference like "that's the kind of stuff that would happen to me".


well, new computer arrived, monitor, desk, chair etc, over the course of 2 weeks. last weekend finally unboxed and began assembly and set up of everything. finally got to the computer, unboxed and started to power on and set up.

...nothing on display. hmmm. verified I was on plugged into the DP of the GPU. nada. grabbed an HDMI and tried off the mobo....nada. Thinking maybe my monitor wasn't working. set up my ps4 on HDMI...voila. Beautiful screen.

led lights and fans on the computer were on when I powered on...but that's where it ended. plugged direct into outlet....nada. keyboard wasn't lighting up so I plugged into every available USB....nada. Plugged it into my laptop, voila...worked. No beep or anything when powering on.

Finally after a few hours, took some pictures and emailed the tech support. talked to them today and they listen to all the steps I took, and they said well....looks like something is either not plugged in correctly inside, or possible power supply issue or something else.

They're shipping me another one, and emailed me a shipping label to send this one back.

LMAO...

I knew something like this would happen. Oh well. It's ok, they were helpful and responsive so it's probably just a shit happens scenario. So hopefully the new one will fire up with no problems.

Pretty good deal on a quality 3080TI.

https://www.evga.com/products/produc...12G-P5-3967-KR