Mahomes was hobbled- because Cam stepped on his ankle. Whatever point you're trying to make, should have left Erving out of it. Our pass protection numbers looked good because Mahomes is a magician back there.

My point is that any effect Cam Erving had should be excluded. He was a back up and only playing because Fisher was hurt.

Cam was an awful LT. And despite that, our numbers were still among the best in the league.

Do I believe our OL is among the best in the league? No. I just don’t believe the pass protection is as bad as some think.

If Mahomes was getting hit constantly, the QB hit numbers would be much worse than they are.

Long-term deals typically lower the cap hit for the current year.

Mahomes is tough and will stand in and take the hit after the ball is out. Those are the shots that take the toll. Our interior line sucks but Pat cancels it out mainly because he is young. You are crazy if you want to take a chance with this phenoms future.

I would love to upgrade the interior, but I won’t be shocked if we don’t use an early pick on a C/G.

Apparently, he doesn’t take THAT many of those hits though. Like I said before, we allowed the 7th fewest QB hits in the league. A lot of other teams allowed far more.

My guess is that our entire OL is somewhere around average. The combo of Mahomes and Reid (who really doesn’t get enough credit for this) elevates them to being a top 5 statistical pass protection OL. The Tackles are probably in the top quarter of the league and the Interior is probably in the bottom third of the league.

I don’t think they’re great, but I also don’t think they’re as bad as some believe specifically in pass protection.

Reuter and the rest of the interior played pretty well in the playoffs. The interior mesh got better and better as the season went on (and Wylie was replaced). Reuter also snapped the ball really well. I doubt we place Reuter this season.

Was the second best lineman after Schwartz in the Super Bowl against the best DL in all of football

yeah, and then it'll go up next year or the year after. You know, when we have to pay Mahomes somewhere around $40 million dollars.

This seems to contradict the thread title...



Chris Jones DL, Kansas City Chiefs
NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the Chiefs have yet to make an offer to franchise tagged DL Chris Jones.

ESPN's Adam Schefter added the Chiefs are looking to keep Jones and not trade him. Kansas City has been in talks with Jones but there's been no offers to this point. With Patrick Mahomes also in line for an extension, fitting Jones could be tough with the Chiefs running low on cap space. Jones would make $16.1 million if he plays 2020 under the tag.
Source: Tom Pelissero on Twitter
Apr 4, 2020, 10:22 AM ET

Just because a team has a ton of cap space doesn't mean it is well run. It probably means the opposite, they lack talent and have drafted poorly. I think the Chiefs $177 in cap space is a testament to Veach's ability to every ****ing nickel. Thats what I want my GM to do.

I completely agree with you.

Cleveland Browns has $43 M of cap space. New England Patriots has $893 K of cap space.

As a player for an NFL team, I'd want my team to be spending their cap and taking care of their players.

You know what I just realized. Jones 16 mil is already included in the cap and we still have 5 mil to spare. A deal will get done. Veach knows the cap will skyrocket next year. Sign Jones to about 10 mil this year and start giving him 22-23 dollars each year afterwards. Same goes for Mahomes but with a 4 in front of it

We need like 6 for picks. That 5 mil is for that.

Will be interesting to see when rookies sign and if there is language that addresses covid (not sure that’s even possible but throwing it out there).

I dont think this is right. Where did you read this?

Edit*

Well you're right according to Spotrac and OTC. That increases my belief that we're extending Jones. I was trying to figure out a way we could afford to extend him with only $5 mil in cap space, but extending him will lower his cap hit for the year and would allow us to resign Breeland.

Both Mack and Donald had low cap hits in their first 2 years of their new contracts, so what we could do is go really low on Jones 1st year, say like $6 or $7 mil and that gives us ~$15 mil in cap space. Have Breeland at $8-$9 mil cap hit and then we have enough to sign rookies. You extend Mahomes this offseason, but he's still playing on the last year of his rookie deal, so he's not gonna cost any extra this year.

It can easily be done.

We don’t need that much for picks. We only have 5 picks.

https://overthecap.com/draft/

This says we need 5+

Not really. We are fortunate for his mobility and intuition skills taking over before getting hit and he still did get hit way too much for my liking regardless.

Ding...Ding...Ding!
Been trying to tell folks in the, "There's NO WAY KC can afford Jones" crowd that, but most have their minds made up, even though Veach has told us that Jones is in KC's plans.

22-23 dollars? I'm all for it but I don't think Jones will go for that.

Making Jones highest paid would be a mistake.

What's the point of signing Chris Jones when the NFL won't be back until 2022 at the earliest?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...7&postcount=51

Not highest paid cuz that belongs to Donald but Jones is the second best DT in the league

Exactly. Veach spends his money well. I love having him as our GM.

Youve gotten to the point that you are spamming this shit in all threads about Jones. No ****ing substance ever. Just the same shit over and over.

He’ll be the highest paid guy til the next guy gets his deal

I’m wondering if this is based on economics.

The NFL is negotiating new TV deals in what looks to be a fairly protracted and/or deep recession, and there may be no/little in stadium revenue for 2020.

I think you extend Jones banking on a big 2021 salary cap increase at your peril.

Assholes are puckered

I dont know how we keep everybody

Stadium revenue is a mere fraction of the current $11 billion dollar TV contracts. Merchandise is still selling.

Regardless of what happens to the economy, sports broadcasts are recession-proof. People aren't going to turn off their TV's on Saturdays and Sundays because the economy isn't doing well and in fact, it's the polar opposite.

There's absolutely no rush at this point to sign Chris Jones. The Chiefs are Cap Compliant and most likely have enough to sign their rookies before TC begins.

If Jones isn't signed by July 14th, then yeah, it might get a little dicey but the Chiefs will still be Cap Compliant, even if they're carrying $16 million for Jones this season.

Who are the Chiefs going to lose now? As of today?

Jones deal just seems unlikely.

If they find a way to televise Football games this season, it will likely be the most watched season in history.

If they can't get him signed by the deadline then they ****ed up. I guess the new CBA makes holdouts less likely, but he won't be happy and we'll just go through this all over again next year at which point he'll be more expensive and eventually it could be cost prohibitive to even franchise him again.

With no crowds?

sounds awful.

Fair assessment. As of today we have our core of studs. no reason to be a chicken little just yet.

That doesn’t mean that him or Pat would be “the highest paid” players any time soon. It would only be in overall money, not in a year-by-year basis. It would be at least 3 years away for both which means players will come off the books freeing up money and the cap will rise.

You look at this the wrong way, but that’s no surprise

Can you trade for future draft picks. Not knowing if there will even be a college football season

Yeah, that Hitchens contract was incredible.

It doesn't matter.

He'll either play for the Chiefs this season or he'll be traded for draft picks.

And considering that there are a number of guys that need medical re-checks but aren't allowed to have team physicals, it would be better to hang on to Jones for the 2020 season under the Tag instead of trading him for unknowns.

It will be terrible. I could see them put in fake crowd noise because it’s going to seem really weird.

Like the comedy shows that don’t have audiences anymore. Just isn’t right.

I wonder if more college players will declare for the supplemental draft because of that.

I’m wondering how they will have practices, meetings, film study, weights, etc.

Lots of hurdles.

I’m not seeing how it’s going to happen, but with tens of billions of dollars at stake, I’m sure they will exhaust every route trying to find a way.

The only way I can see practice working is if they sequester the entire team for months and blood test them all regularly. Film can be done easy enough with current tech. Weights... no idea unless this is part of sequestering them.

That should be easy. If they have quick tests then everyone arrives at a preset time and place, stays in car, gets tested and if negative can proceed to park and go in like usual. If positive then do not pass go and head directly home.

That is an interesting question. I have no idea what the answer is though.

Well, you know there will be a draft...

Heard Teicher on the radio today with Petro, says chiefs have no leverage with Jones and the NFL teams knows it, he thinks they will have to settle for about what they got for Dee Ford, if he is traded, so that would be a late 2nd in 2021.

I would be pissed if that is all we got. I have never been against trading Jones as long as the compensation was fair, but if it comes down to paying him $100 mill and not being able to operate in free agency the next year or two or giving him away, I would rather keep him.

Teicher pretty much always plays the Chiefs contrarian though. I just assume every thing he says is the “worst case scenario”.

We're signing Chris Jones. Write it down.

Veach has always had a plan for this. And CJ wants to be a Chief; it's not like he's itching to be traded in the first place. He just wants his respect. Veach knows this and has always known this. He'll get Chris signed one way or the other. It's chess, people. Get a clue.

Jones will knock Brady out of the game as the Chiefs go back to back SuperBowl Champs!

ROFL

Stop taking the mystery out of life people!

The Chiefs are currently preparing for the strangest NFL draft in its 101 year history.

There’s absolutely no reason for Veach or anyone else to be negotiating with Chris Jones at this point.

CJ was franchise tagged right? So he's with the team in 2020, and then when the cap goes up in 2021, Veach gets him signed. Done deal.

And Petro is a moron.

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn’t Seattle up against the cap when they traded Frank Clark and still got a decent return.

Yup.

That's superficial bullshit. It would feel really weird but I can live with it so long as I'm watching my Chiefs.

This COVID shit will be over by the end of May. You people are ridiculous.

Based on...?

Have their been any developments on this front, folks? Don’t feel like reading 100 posts.

Rep to any useful answers.

No actual developments, but plenty of conjecture and hearsay...those are kinds of developments.

Lol

Speculative bullshit from Teicher

Yeah, I'm sure New York and New Jersey will be opened up in 6 weeks.

LMAO

Stopped reading

Some of these people are completely clueless.

Our leverage for a good haul is gone. Every team is certain we are not paying him with the tag or a new deal. We may squeeze a 2 but no way a first. We will have no choice pretty soon.

The most recent reports are from Tom Pelissero in which he says the two sides are talking about a contract but no offers have been exchanged yet

So ...

You just listened in on a conversation between Woody Boyd and Lloyd Christmas and then reported on their conclusion.

Thank you?

FAX

From Nate Taylor's Q&A on The Athletic, published yesterday:

Basically, no news.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sending positive vibes y&#39;all way! Happy Easter! I love you all</p>&mdash; Chris Jones (@StoneColdJones) <a href="https://twitter.com/StoneColdJones/status/1249468026333921281?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

16 mil but he needs financial security. Gawd athletes live in another universe compared to ordinary people.

Yeah but after taxes... :)

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Jones is looking at a 100+ million deal, somewhere no doubt.

Settling for 16, in a sport where each snap could be your last, its playing withh fire to sign the tag.

Hes not being selfish or stupid. Hes gotta get his guaranteed money that hes worked hiss ass off for, and frankly, earned.

I have zero ill will if he walks or demands trade.

You know how much insurance cost on a Ferrari?

No reason for KC to rush into signing a deal with huge guaranteed money and a big signing bonus when we might not even have a season. Lots can change for better or worse between now and June 15th.

The only problem is, apparently he won't play on the tag so its extension or trade - If they are going to trade him, surely you want it to be before the draft rather than after.

July 15th