This nails it. You take the best talent available to you. Reaching based on need is how you blow picks.

The idea that Hardman can replace Watkins next year is a great one, but he also isn’t the same type of physical, classic X receiver. There are a BUNCH of those types in this draft. And a rookie or a FA is going to take some time to acclimate to this system and Mahomes. Saying just “take a WR next year” doesn’t account for whether the class is as deep or talented and whether as good a talent is available to you.

If Justin Jefferson or Denzel Mims - big, physical X receiver types who also have the initial quickness to separate like a traditional slot guy - are available, I think that’s value that’s incredibly hard to pass up.

If I’ve got a choice between Patrick Queen or Kenneth Murray and Jefferson, Mims, Higgins, Swift, and Dobbins, I take the LB. and so would the Chiefs.

Think the same is true if the right CB is there.

All intents and purposes I have no problems drafting an IOL, but drafting a feature RB is also very important to aid Mahomes' health through the regular season. Patrick's load management is also critical. NFL Live talked about that when Sean Payton was discussing how to keep Brees upright too.

This is true. A big part of that is Mahomes ability to escape and create time. He’s usually adding at least 2 seconds to plays that he routinely does that. I get that people will bring up early season struggles, but Pat’s ankle injury was a bigger part of the problem.

I want a RB, just not at 32.

This draft is so limited in terms sideline-to-sideline linebackers that I just can't see Queen or Baun or Murray at #32 but if they are, they have to be in consideration for sure.

There will be plenty of WR's in the second and third rounds but I don't think we'll see guys like Dobbins, Swift and Taylor in the late second, and that probably holds true for Akers as well.

The offense really needs a 16 game true Feature Back and while there's a lot of depth and guys that can share duties successfully, it would be luck if a guy like that slipped all the way down to 96.

I don't think I'd take Akers at 32 but if Taylor or Dobbins or Swift are sitting there, I think there has to be a major discussion about taking one of them.

I can't even imagine what Reid could do with Taylor's speed and ability.

I'm not saying to take the 10th best OL over a #4 WR, what I am saying is look at the options available at #32. If the best option is a #4 LB, take that guy over the #4 WR. If the best option is a #1 or 2 OL, yes you take him instead of a skill player. A "highly skilled" WR isn't going to be much of a protection blocker.

Good God, just no

I love Hardman, but am not yet convinced he can handle full time #2 duties at 5’10 185... he’s not built like a little tank, like Reek

Shocking response, Dane immediately goes calling someone who disagrees with him dumb. I was eagerly awaiting your response explaining how a highly skilled WR or RB leads to better protection for Pat.

It's a pretty simple value proposition. The difference between a 1st or 3-4th round RB, compared to 1st or 3-4th round CB/LB. The drop off is so much steeper at nearly every other position than RB. LB/CB then RB/OL is so much more likely to make the team better than RB first and lesser talent at the other 3 spots in later rounds. Give me any of Akers, CEH, Moss, or few others over Swift/Taylor/Dobbins at 32.

And clearly, you can't read because I did not call *you* dumb.

But it's fairly obvious that you're not too bright and thanks for clearing that part up.

And yet last offseason, Veach was able to round up a bunch of average CB's off the scrap heap that were good enough to help win a Super Bowl yet the offense stalled and had issues due to William's health, McCoy's fumblitis, along with "meh" players like Darrel Williams and Thompson.

The Chiefs may have an opportunity to draft a Game Changing RB or WR at #32 or if they trade back, within the Top 40ish.

The same won't be said for a CB or LB or IOL at that same draft slot.

Hardman will NEVER be a replacement for Sammy. Not only do they play completely different positions they are asked to do completely different things.

And he shouldn't be one either. Having Hardman is a luxury but if we lose Sammy we need a big X receiver to replace him.

And no, Pringle isn't the guy either. Robinson currently backs up Sammy.

All of THIS

The Chiefs also just won the Super Bowl with a well below average linebacker group, does that mean it's fine as is? I don't understand the idea that because it worked last year, the exact same formula will work again next year.

That rotating OL contributed to Mahomes getting injured and hobbled for a good chunk of the season and led to the offense being stymied for a while until we got healthy again. We can't have another Cam Erving being our backup LT again.

I don't totally disagree with that, but then that kind of leads me to question why he was our top pick just a year ago?

Something just doesn't add up. We Hardman for another 3 years, and Hill for a while too. People keep saying that Mahomes can make receivers look better. If that's the case, and we already have significant capital at WR, do we really need to draft a WR high in the draft every year when we continually ignore other positions? I'd be fine with a WR in the 3-4 range, and I guess I would be fine if that was just the most logical pick based on BPA in the 1-2 range, but I wouldn't love it.

Again, it would be a foolish waste of critical resources to reach for players because you think there is a need.

Mahomes' worst injury occurred on a QB sneak and no lineman were at fault.

And if the Chiefs had a true #1 Feature RB, they most likely wouldn't have lost against the Colts, Texans or Titans during the regular season, despite Mahomes not being 100% for those games.

Cam Erving was released and there are few teams, if any, that have capable backup left tackles.

He was picked because the team thought the NFL was going bury Tyreek Hill alive... so now we have another diminutive luxury item, a nice problem to have obviously

But when Sammy goes, I’m not interested in fielding a 3 receiver set full of Smurfs... bigger bodies present different problems to a defense

The 4th best WR in this draft would have been the TOP WR in the past 2-3 drafts and a top 10 pick.

The #4 LB is definitely a second round talent. Maybe a 3rd.

If you take a WR at 32, you can draft a real star who also helps your offense maintain dominance in 2021. If you draft the best IOL available, you may be reaching for a guy who wouldn’t crack the top 40 picks in most other drafts.

Same holds true with RBs who fit this offense - primarily Swift and Dobbins, who are badass receiving threats.

Locking in on positions is dangerous. Veach is aggressive enough to move around - up and down - to ensure he gets guys in the range they’re supposed to go without reaching and sacrificing draft capital.

I could get on board with Dobbins at 32.

Dobbins, Swift or Taylor at #32 would be fine with me, although it seems like CPer's don't mention Taylor in that same breath.

Is that because he plays for a team that isn't on national TV every week or am I unaware of issues with him?

Taylor has fumbling issues and a crazy workload at Wisconsin. It knocks him down a tick for me compared to the other two.

Swift is the most versatile. Dobbins is the most dynamic zone runner. Taylor has the best home run hitting ability.

All really good, just in different ways.

It is very likely that the 4th best WR in this draft, or at least the 4th taken, will be Justin Jefferson.

In fact, some mocks have him going as the SIXTH wide receiver.

I cannot stress enough what a goddam ****ing STUD that guy is.

If for some screwed up reason he fell to even the 20s I would want the Chiefs to trade UP to grab him.

No linebacker in this draft is as good as him and that includes Isiah Simmons but only because I think Simmons isn't really a linebacker. And Simmons is going top ten anyway, maybe top 5.

Anyway that's how good this receiver class is.

Taylor's size and speed are his most appealing aspects to me. I realize he's had nearly 1,000 touches at Wisconsin but the guy hasn't missed a game due to injury.

I hadn't heard about his fumbling so I'd imagine that's a bit of a concern, although I'd like to think that Reid, Bienemy and Deland McCullough could help him to eliminate those mistakes.

I really like Cam Akers as well and wonder if the Mock Draft guys are sleeping on him because he looks closer to a mid-2nd rounder than a 3rd round guy, at least to me.

I like Akers more than Taylor. I am leery of a RB with that much wear on the tires in college.

I'd really like one of the top 2 or 3 ILB"s to be there at 32, but thats not likely.

There's a WR from Michigan, can't remember his name, that tested off the charts athletically. He was with Patterson at QB who was awful, so he might be a worthwhile pick in round 3 or 4.

Yeah, if Jefferson and Aiyuk and Dobbins and Swift are sitting at #32, I could see Veach moving back a few slots, especially if one of the QB's have dropped, to grab one of those four guys.

Any of those guys would make for an outstanding selection and it's just a damn shame that the Chiefs won't have a chance to get a pair of them.

Yeah but that freaking speed!

And he's a great inside runner, which would really wreak havoc against opposing defenses because there's no way any defense could cover Mahomes, Hill, Hardman, Watkins, Kelce and Taylor.

They could run RPO's for days and would be absolutely insane.

What I like about Taylor is he has put up serious numbers to show how talented he really is. We’re talking about a player who averaged over 2000 (6174) yards rushing per season and 55 total TDs in 3 seasons. I like Taylor or Dobbins for our offense.

Donovan Peoples-Jones?

Taylor is a beast but I don't think he fits in our system like Akers does. Swift also fits well in our system but I don't see him fall to late second.

Watch for a day three pick at running back in Antonio Gibson from Memphis. 4.39 speed and elite pass catching ability. Perfect fit for our pass first offense.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU8dfjXf9QE

It's not counterintuitive because in order to complete longer bigger pass plays you need time. Pat really doesn't have that luxury right now and took way too many hits and had far less big long pass plays this past season. And this also explains why Pat and the offense had trouble this past season and especially in the playoffs getting off to a good head start against very formidable defenses. Yes the ball needs to come out quick and having elite players helps BUT you limit those elite players ability for the longer bigger plays because your o-line really struggles with up the middle protection.

Guys, our next RB is going to be Anthony McFarland. It's been decided

Gotta love that size at 6’2 225, Mahomes wouldn’t have to look very hard to spot him running down the seam

Wheel routes all day long with that kid with Kelce over the middle, Tyreek going deep, and Sammy on a deep post.

Gibson seems tailor made for Reid's offense.

Matt Miller pod-

Clyde Edwards-Helaire and Lloyd Cushenberry getting legit first rd attention. Also said Cesar Ruiz is going rd 1. Might wanna get him off our board.

FTR I think Edwards-Helaire and Cushenberry are early rd 2 guys

If Queen or Fulton or Hall is there you gotta take one

Also mentioned my guy Robert Hunt being looked as a beast (not 1st rd). Think he’s the 2nd best IOL and could fall only bc of injury and COVID19 limiting medical checks.

God I want that guy on our team so bad

Would you guys rather want a IOL or a LB or CB in the first round? Because right now if the season started we would have Ward and Alex Brown as our starting CBs and Niemann would be starting at LB

Bryce Hall generally goes more 2 or 3 in every single mock I've seen.

Niemann got so much better at that coverage backer spot.

Swift would be a great fit.

You could argue that he came up with the play of the franchise when he destroyed Jimmy G so Mahomes could get the ball to give us the go ahead TD

Unless there's some type of medical issue that's revealed last minute, Queen will be gone by #32.

I still believe the Chiefs trade out of #32 but if there's a sure-fire WR or RB sitting there, it will be tough for Veach to make that move...

I love this pick!

I thought it was a forgone conclusion that Queen, Murray, and Baun would be off the board by 32, but the truth is a lot of teams that needed a LB addressed it in free agency. Mock drafts have started to reflect that now.

I still wouldn’t count on it, but I don’t think it’s 100% certain anymore.

Lately, I'm thinking I'd really like to see us take a stud LB or RB in the first. It would be a lot of fun to have a real difference-maker there.

Murray, Queen, or Swift would be exciting picks I think, but better depth at RB later in the draft. If Swift isn't available, how about...

1. Murray or Queen LB
2. Hall or Fulton CB
3. Gibson or Moss RB

I love these options! If Taylor or Dobbins is available in the first and Veach wants a rb than those are it. But Moss for a mid round pick would be nice. You would reunite Hall with Thornhill or you could give Honey Badger a LSU player in Fulton

Really like Cushenberry. If Queen and Fulton are off the board I think Cush is the most talented center prospect to come out in years. He would make Pat's life much better as elite centers make a difference.

Andy Reid took Jason Kelce in the 6th. Reiter's a former 7th rounder. While Morse was a later 2nd, that didn't work out so well and the Chiefs allowed him to walk.

I have a very, very difficult time believing that the Chiefs take a center at #32 overall or even if they trade back into the high second round, due to the quality of perimeter players and running backs in this draft.

The way I look it as this: Are any of those guys worth two picks?

If they sit at #32 and take any of them over moving back and adding more selections, regardless of the round, that will the player's assigned value because we all know that there will be a team or multiple teams offering multiple picks to move into the #32 slot. And with the Chiefs current shortage of selections in Rounds 1-5, I think they'll be hard pressed to take on of those LBer's.

For me, I'd say no. I guess we'll see what Veach does in a few short weeks.

Eric Fisher, Mitch Morse.

Chiefs have spent high picks on OL. NFL OL are not getting developed to the same degree as before in college. They are a more rare commodity as every team needs to grab them. If I can take a guy with pro bowl upside at center that's a great pick.

It's a TERRIBLE pick. It's stupid and reactionary.

Fisher was clearly the #1 selection in the 2013 NFL Draft, so that's neither here nor there.

I already mentioned the selection of Morse, which was NOT a successful pick due to injuries and concussions.

Reid and Veach would be foolish to waste the #32 over all pick on a center and I don't think they're foolish.

You think the offensive line "is stupid?

That's a strange attitude. Look at how crappy the Patriots offense went when they lost their center and another OL. Elite centers are huge difference makers in the current NFL.

Meanwhile you want a RB as a better value?

:rolleyes:

Morse was made the highest paid center in the NFL...looks like there is more value there then you say.

This post is so ridiculously stupid that not going to bother responding to your idiocy.

RB at #32 is the sword Dane has chosen to die on currently. Don't try having a rational conversation with him about other positions being of equal, or greater value.

Yeah, don't. You sound like you have a hard time grasping simple thoughts.

Bullshit.

I'd be fine with a WR, CB, LB or RB at #32 overall although I've stated repeatedly that the Chiefs should trade back and add an extra pick or more.

No, what's ****ing STUPID is wasting their highest pick on a ****ing center, when there are extremely talented players in this draft with MUCH higher upside and value than a center.

But I guess they're talking about offensive lineman at #32 over at Arrowhead Pride so you're better off parroting those morons than making a fool of yourself here.

The more I analyze this, it seems like corner is going to be our first pick barring a coveted player falling to us.

Even if we signed a FA corner, we’d still need to get another one to replace Fuller. It seems like the sweet spot for drafting a corner will be from 25-50.

Okudah
Henderson
Gladney
Johnson
Terrell
Fulton
Diggs
Igbinoghene
Hall

In their prime, you are the GM.

Which player makes your roster better?

Jason Kelce or Josh Jacobs?

Dude, Okudah's going to Top Ten.

I'm not big on Gladney because he's only 5'10 while playing in a division with much taller WR's but if they take him, all good.

But I think it puts far less pressure on the front office and player if they trade back and grab a WR & CB in the second while picking up an additional 3rd, 4th or 5th rounder.

WTF kind of question is this? Comparing a Super Bowl winning All Pro 6th rounder to a guy that's played one season in the NFL?

Are you like 12 years old?

Okudah is probably going top 5

It's all about who have behind Center/OL if it's a limp dick then yeah that's a good reason to be pissed, but if you have the player who single handedly makes a team a SB contender the whole situation changes.

We always joke that the team should put bubble wrap with a crew of armed guards to ensure PMII's safety in the offseason.

This falls in with that belief, it's the DGAF we don't have a normal situation with the sum of its parts the Chiefs must protect Patrick. If that means drafting a RB/IOL then ****ing do it that's the logic behind.

Protect the MOTHER****ING FUTURE HALL OF FAME QB running the offense.

RB's have a short shelf life, that's why I picked the last one to come out in the 1st round.

But you probably didn't understand that..since you already think you can just grab OL in any round..it's all the same.

But while you might have adopted what you think is a brilliant draft philosophy ACTUAL NFL teams don't see it your way at all.

BTW, your constant, "Are you 12.." schtick is very childish. That's what psychologists call "projection". You are calling yourself out.

You are so ****ing full of shit I can smell it from 2,000 miles away

LMAO

I absolutely guaratee that you've never sat down with a sports agent, scout, or upper tier head coach but if you have, they were horrible at their jobs.

I was just listing all the corners to show the depth of the position. 9 quality first rd caliber talents (some falling due to injury).

It’s hard to say what they’ll do, but I would love for us to use Seattle’s plan and trade down. I am an advocate of trading down twice from 32 if it means that we get 2 more picks in the top 110.

I'd take one in the 3rd round and another in the 5th or 6th that could be used for a trade up.

Personally, I'd love to have two 2's and two 3's but it'll just depend on how the board develops.

Reading comprehension. Read slower and the words might form in your head.

:facepalm:

Why don't you spend some time learning about positional value in the NFL draft because clearly, you're completely ****ing clueless, n00b.

Actual NFL teams disagree with your approach and are spending 1st round picks on interior OL. I think I will side with them over you.

The NFL is changing. NFL defenses (obviously you have missed this) find the fastest path to the QB is straight up the middle (also why Chris Jones is about to get paid). The counter to that is having elite protection up the middle.

I wouldn’t be opposed to a center

Wouldn’t be my first choice. Frankly I don’t care who they pick this year though

This is just outright ****ing stupid.

The Chiefs have FAR bigger needs than to waste #32 overall on a center.

CB, WR, RB and LB should all take precedence over a center in this draft, period.

My first choice would be a linebacker if the value was there. Corner would also be great.

But the issue is Queen probably gone. Fulton gone. Henderson is soft.

You can't force the issue just because you want a LB or CB. At that point I take the elite center, stack my offense more and see what the next round brings.

Nah Fulton will probably still be there

I care.

This team lost games because of their lack of talented and effective running backs. The offense didn't perform nearly as well without Hill and Watkins while Robinson is maybe their 4th option at WR, who's only on a one year deal.

If they trade out of #32, they can address RB, CB, WR and maybe LB but if they're stuck, they'll be missing out on a lot of talent in this draft.

Drafting a center isn't a priority, it's a luxury and one the Chiefs don't have with only 5 picks.

Really? That would be great. In that case I take Fulton. But again, I doubt he makes it to us.

I would agree with Patrick on the positional value goes out the window concerning the offense. I would be so pissed if they pulled a true fan with Alex on the team because everything had to be a well oiled machine. Yes, CBs and LBs are an immediate need I even agreed, but that was before Mahomes got injured which changed said priorities.

I'll be honest it's a point of hysteria for me.

If the center is a day one starter and a legit player, it wouldn’t be a problem

They can grab a wr or a rb in round two with good value. I’d rather try and get a couple of 2nds and add a 3rd or something anyway