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Palangi 02-27-2024 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17418953)
Deneric Prince is a poverty Pacheco and not any sort of McKinnon replacement.

Oh, and he was friggen awful.

I personally wouldn't have bothered to keep Prince on the practice squad. He didn't show anything at all back there.

Well he was an UDRFA last year. Let’s see how’s he has progressed. There was buzz in training camp last. So there is something to work with

wachashi 02-27-2024 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17418982)
If my memory serves, they paid Buggs more than the futures minimum to retain him. It does kinda suggest they might have a plan for him. And they played Farrell in the SB at least over Dickerson (they didn't do that against Buffalo so they quickly pivoted after that debacle).

And he played quite well.

I think they have a nice little NT rotation they could build from those two. You won't get a ton, but you don't need a ton from NT in this system. They're just there to take up space and both guys can do that.

I'll be surprised if we don't bring in another 300-pounder, either through the draft or free agency. I see Buggs battling with Farrell for the backup/rotational spot through camp. Those guys don't grow on trees, so having depth there is just a smart move.

McKinnley Jackson is a nice pick here, I think.

raybec 4 02-27-2024 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Palangi (Post 17418941)
Don’t forget they were high on Deneric Prince last offseason. I’d like to see him as the McKinnon replacement. He has really good hands and can run routes. Hopefully he’s learn to block like McKinnon. But he has game changing speed.

And they seem to be interested in Keontay Ingram as a power back.

I'm not sure "they" were as high on Prince as we were. You're correct that he was a UDFA and he played like one. I'm not sure that he showed enough ability to build on in order to get himself a genuine roster spot. WTF do I know though.

DJ's left nut 02-27-2024 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Palangi (Post 17418987)
Well he was an UDRFA last year. Let’s see how’s he has progressed. There was buzz in training camp last. So there is something to work with

I have no opposition to him challenging Perine for the RB3 spot on the team.

I don't see any reason to consider him as more than a camp body in that regard, though.

DJ's left nut 02-27-2024 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 17419047)
I'll be surprised if we don't bring in another 300-pounder, either through the draft or free agency. I see Buggs battling with Farrell for the backup/rotational spot through camp. Those guys don't grow on trees, so having depth there is just a smart move.

McKinnley Jackson is a nice pick here, I think.

It's still very strange to me they never found a use for Coburn.

Having to use even a 3rd day pick to grab a guy who I don't think is going to be the caliber of player that Coburn can be is just frustrating.

That was a mismanaged asset, IMO.

wachashi 02-27-2024 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17419072)
It's still very strange to me they never found a use for Coburn.

Having to use even a 3rd day pick to grab a guy who I don't think is going to be the caliber of player that Coburn can be is just frustrating.

That was a mismanaged asset, IMO.

That, and we gave a sixth round pick for Neil Farrell last year only to play Mike Pennel over Farrell when Nnadi went down.

I don't think we've found our guy at NT yet.

DenverChief 02-27-2024 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 17418889)
If I'm putting money on it, we're bringing Smith back and drafting a high-upside LTotF like you've done here. Protecting Mahomes is priority one.

If the board falls right, we could see an LT in Round 1 then a trade-up for Worthy in Round 2.

Lets wager on Smith - i think they let him walk. Dunno why everyone seems down on Wanya - he was fully capable in that 6 game stretch at the end of the year taking all the snaps at LT

DJ's left nut 02-27-2024 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 17419146)
Lets wager on Smith - i think they let him walk. Dunno why everyone seems down on Wanya - he was fully capable in that 6 game stretch at the end of the year taking all the snaps at LT

I know it's only one game and a game where evidently everyone was a bit scattered.

But his effort against the Raiders was as bad as anything I've ever seen from an OL. Worse than anything even Jah Reid ever put on tape. It was horrifying.

Take that game out of the equation and I'm somewhat confident in at least giving him a shot.

wachashi 02-27-2024 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 17419146)
Lets wager on Smith - i think they let him walk. Dunno why everyone seems down on Wanya - he was fully capable in that 6 game stretch at the end of the year taking all the snaps at LT

Did you miss the Raiders game on Christmas day? Morris gave up 10 pressures. That is the stuff of nightmares.

He followed up that game by allowing a very clean strip sack and fumble recovery against the Bengals.

He is our swing tackle in my mind.

DenverChief 02-27-2024 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 17419175)
Did you miss the Raiders game on Christmas day? Morris gave up 10 pressures. That is the stuff of nightmares.

He followed up that game by allowing a very clean strip sack and fumble recovery against the Bengals.

He is our swing tackle in my mind.

growing pains - Smith is too injury prone. He missed 5 1/2 games with a neck stinger he has played one full season in the last 5 (with Tampa in 21) and he is on the wrong side of 30 for a physically demanding position. At the very least bring in cheaper competition for Morris to fight for the job with.

Mecca 02-27-2024 12:25 PM

LT is one of the spots that is extremely iffy, it's basically trade up for a LT, start Wanya Morris...bring back Donovan or sign Tyron Smith and pray he can play 13 games and in the playoffs.

kccrow 02-27-2024 12:30 PM

I disagree largely on any thought that we're fine at NT. I think Buggs could be a player there, and he should be a factor, but we rotate our NTs about 50/50 and, IIRC, they see around 40-45% of snaps each. So, you need 2 guys there. The remaining percentage are pass rushers kicking inside on passing downs.

Buggs though, has 1 year starting in his 5 seasons in the league. Farrell hasn't shown me anything that suggests he's 1b at the position. I think he's a retainable piece you continue to develop, but I think we need a guy who can play some serious snaps.

As for another 3-tech, I desperately wanted to add a 2nd DT in the draft. Maybe I would if I took DJ's take to the bank and traded Sneed.

Now, I can see a path where DJ's take has merit in that you can let it ride on Hardman, Smith, and Tranquill and just tag Sneed and find a partner. If you lose any of those 3 in the process then you're not out so much you can't make it up with another option. The only issue is there aren't many options outside of Smith at LT and if you do lose him that "other option" just might need to be a higher draft pick. I'd like to avoid that scenario. I don't think you let Chris Jones start chasing deals in FA, you have to lock him up ASAP. There are teams flush with cash that will give him more than KC can.

kccrow 02-27-2024 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17418744)
I disagree. Someone will give a conditional 7 for a punt returner in Toney.

This is my thought. He doesn't have alot of value but someone might snap him up who is flush with cash for basically nothing and use him as a returner and see if they can milk anything out of him as a WR. If it's a conditional 7th, they have nothing to lose but some cash.

DenverChief 02-27-2024 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17419234)
This is my thought. He doesn't have alot of value but someone might snap him up who is flush with cash for basically nothing and use him as a returner and see if they can milk anything out of him as a WR. If it's a conditional 7th, they have nothing to lose but some cash.

Except that KC is kinda like the last hope for troubled players - if Andy can't contain/make good use of them....

JPH83 02-27-2024 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17419072)
It's still very strange to me they never found a use for Coburn.

Having to use even a 3rd day pick to grab a guy who I don't think is going to be the caliber of player that Coburn can be is just frustrating.

That was a mismanaged asset, IMO.

I've whinged about this enough but yeah. He's been solid in Tennessee by all accounts and we had absolutely d$ck at the position. Really not aure how Nnadi and Dickerson were ever seen as more viable options. Bizarre


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