Each loud he busts probably has enough anti bodies to cure thousands from covid.

On a serious note the biggest knock on Gay could be the part of reading and diagnosing plays. Fair enough hes still far superior compared to any linebacker other than ODaniel who's more the size of a safety.

As far as Danna in the 5th round? Aside from being a 5th round pick he went from Central Michigan to Michigan. That school hasnt struggled in bringing in talent so its obvious he was a player in college. Now compare him to say AJ Espenza who some thought was a late round first are the measurables that much different?

One-upping the laziness and just quoting you and inserting my comments and grades.

I think this was a great draft. Veach really trending up well.

Particularly, I like Veach's seeming willingness to think outside the box and zag when others are zigging. He's creative in adding talent and I like the way he uses QUANTITY when taking shots on guys who have the tools. Between Sneed, Bopete, and the UDFA CBs they're bringing in, I'm confidente they get at least one starting-caliber CB out of this rookie class, and a few have star potential.

CEH will give them the depth and dependability at RB the team missed a little in 2019, and he gives them a weapon to lean on along with Kelce and Hill after Watkins leaves, which I thought was a MUST in this draft. It will give them more flexibility at WR after this season, because they won't need to match the playmaking threat of Watkins right away.

I'll also throw some love on Kalifa Lipscomb as an UDFA. The dude is a great route-runner and has good hands. He performed well in SEC play against some dynamic CBs, too. I see a potential future starter at the X.

I think Willie is a Ryan Shazier (pre-injury LMAO) type player in attitude and speed... I think you will be eating some KCCROW a year from now...:eek:

Look at the whole offseason in giving the Chiefs a grade. Look at the draft, UDFA, and free agent signings.

A - WRs – Renegotiated Sammy Watkins contract, re-signed Demarcus Robinson, and signed UDFAs Kalija Lipscomb, Cody White, Justice Shelton-Mosley, Andre Baccellia, Maurice Ffrench, and Aleva Hifo.
We are good for 2020 and we will see what 2021 brings.

B+ - CBs –Re-signed Bashaud Breeland, signed Antonio Hamilton, drafted L'Jarius Sneed, Thakarius Keyes, and signed UDFAs Javaris Davis, Lavert Hill, and Hakeem Bailey. KC lost Kendall Fuller to Washington Redskins.
I’d like to have another CB because of the uncertainty of Bashaud Breeland and rookie CBs

B - LB – Drafted Willie Gay, and signed UDFAs Omari Cobb, and Bryan Wright. KC lost Reggie Ragland to Detroit Lions.
I don’t think Willie Gay can fix KC’s LB corps and they need a little more.

A - OL – Released Cameron Erving, signed Mike Remmer, drafted Lucas Niang and signed UDFAs Yasir Durant, Darryl Williams, and Jovahn Fair. KC lost Sefen Wisniewski to Pittsburgh Steelers.

A - DL – Franchise tag Chris Jones, re-signed Mike Pennel, signed Taco Charlton, drafted Mike Danna, and signed UDFA Tershawn Wharton. KC lost Emmanuel Ogbah to Miami Dolphins.

A - RB/FB – Re-signed Anthony Sherman, signed DeAndre Washington, drafted Clyde Edwards-Helaire.

A - QB – Re-signed Chad Henne, signed Jordan Ta’amu, placed on waivers Kyle Shurrmur, and signed UDFA Shea Patterson.

A - P - Released Dustin Colquitt, signed Tyler Newsome, and signed UDFA Tommy Townsend.

B+ - TE – Signed Ricky Seals-Jones, placed on waivers Alize Mack. KC lost Blake Bell to Dallas Cowboys.
I would still like 1 more good quality backup TE.

A - S – Signed UDFAs Rodney Clemons and Jalen Julius. KC lost Jordan Lucas to Chicago Bears.
I think a player from CB group will be playing some safety.

But probably an overall grade of A on Kansas City Chiefs offseason moves.

“ Logan Wilson, taken 2 picks later, was widely regarded the better prospect and it wasn't even a debate.”

I’d say there’s considerable room for debate.

It's really hard not to swap out the ol' screen name to something like "Gay's Willie" or something equally graphic and off-putting...

But he's not even a starter yet and man, you don't **** with a winning streak.

No, there really wasn't. Most evaluators had Wilson as the most complete LB in the draft, including the popular TV guys like Jeremiah. Nobody had much to say about Gay except for he had exciting measurables. Gay wasn't even a day 2 consideration by many boards and especially wasn't more than a late day 3 consideration before the combine. Wilson was in the top 60-65 on most boards throughout.

I'm desperately hoping Veach didn't blow this pick but history isn't exactly on his side, and neither were evaluations. He has a long way to go to turn that athleticism into a meaningful contribution for an NFL team looking at him coming in. Let us hope the clay is easily moldable.

https://i.imgur.com/KGQvqbc.jpg

Many people had Gay above Wilson. I don’t know where you get that from. Did most have Wilson higher? Probably, but it shouldn’t have been a shocker that Gay went before him. Dude is a legit top 20 talent and you continue to ignore that. Also, don’t you think Matt House knows what he wants at LB? I honestly don’t get the pessimism at all given his upside and the coaching he will receive.

I think Willie Gay will help at LB but we need some depth. If one of the starters goes down we would be in trouble unless someone that did not play last year really steps up.

I'll repeat that absolutely nobody had Gay anywhere near Wilson before the Combine. I said this the first and second time. Some boards he wasn't on, most he was in the 5th to 7th range. He shot up boards because of the combine. Combine warriors are dangerous and you know that.

Is he a legit top 20 talent? We'll find out won't we, because he wasn't available to be that in college and he made plenty of mistakes on the field when he was. He needs coaching, good coaching. He needs to finally commit to being available.

If you want to quote Jeremiah, here's what he said about Wilson when he was picked: "I think you're gonna look back five years from now and we're gonna talk about this being one of the best picks in this year's draft class," NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah said during ESPN's draft broadcast. "This kid reminds me so much of (San Francisco 49ers linebacker) Fred Warner. ... He's just got phenomenal cover-ability - his ability to be an athlete, move in space, match up, range sideline to sideline. ... There's no hesitation to his game whatsoever. And when you're in a division with Lamar Jackson and company, you better be able to play sideline to sideline and make plays. That's what Logan Wilson does. I love this pick for the Cincinnati Bengals."

Do I trust Matt House? No, not especially. Not yet. He's never been anywhere to show a continuous trend of development of players at the position. I think he's always gone to situations where he inherited some talent. You look at his one year he got to spend in Carolina with Thomas Davis and Landon Johnson. He went to be a piece at the beginning of James Laurinaitis' career in St. Louis, the best LB perhaps to ever play at Ohio State. Then he bounced around in the college game with a year or two here and there. His 3 years in Kentucky, he had Josh Allen, which helps a ton. Did he develop Allen? Hard to say because he stepped in Allen's Sophomore year. He certainly put Allen in a position to succeed along with Mike Edwards. In any event, I'll give House credit when I see the development of LBs here in KC. He has a GOLDEN opportunity with Gay and O'Daniel to do that. I didn't see much change or improvement in Hitchens last year, so pardon me if I come off a bit jaded when it comes to House's abilities so far.

Overall, I'm as intrigued as I am worried about the pick. The potential with Gay is obviously higher but the floor is also incredibly lower. I'd have went the "safer" avenue, and that safer avenue is pretty highly touted.

What team’s boards and link your sources.

Exactly. To be fair, I’m pretty sure that crow is talking about guys in the media, but that’s irrelevant.

Teams have a good idea what guys that are going to go to the combine will test like. Just because he wasn’t really on everybody in the media’s radar before the combine, doesn’t mean that teams weren’t already high on him.

I mean it’s not like you can’t see the athleticism and upside on tape.

Also, this team is usually going to gamble on the HR as opposed to the safe pick. It’s our identity as a front office.

And I don’t see how anybody care argue with that approach given how well it’s worked out for them.

I would have been happy with Wilson or Gay. It just so happened that Gay was the most athletic/measured LB at the combine not named Isaiah Simmons and he made big plays in the best conference in college football.

It was easy to see why they liked him so much, and as everyone has been saying...we needed speed badly at LB. The Super Bowl really exposed that glaring weakness.

Douchebag response as expected knowing original boards were altered 97 times in the process. I'll appease your douchebagedness (yes that's a new CP word now), however and this is at the END of the process.

But here's one that still had Gay below Wilson...
http://www.thehuddlereport.com/valueboard.shtml

Another with Gay as the 11th ranked OLB and slightly lower round range
http://www.draftscout.com/players.ph...XPos&order=ASC
than Wilson as 3rd ranked ILB
http://www.draftscout.com/players.ph...XPos&order=ASC

Or NFL.com with a 6.33 rating on Wilson and a 6.13 on Gay
https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/pr...=ALL&year=2020