You could tell that Mahomes was demoralized from his body language and tone throughout the presser.

This. He can't change, or he would have long ago.

I'll believe it when he fires Toub.

I think Andy is what is he is and is incapable of changing. Hope Mahomes starts getting on these clowns though, it’s needed.

Toub's ST have been excellent in past years.

This is a player's issue on ST right now.

youthful enthusiasm vs. coach

which ever way it goes we need to see better results

Yup this is the one that's going to make Andy change....I'm sure he will.

Not the numerous debacles in the playoffs...but this one will....

Not sure how you fix the penalty problems and blown coverage in the secondary. Those will continue to be a problem. I hope they can fix the fumble problems. Find someone, anyone who can hang on to the ball. Heck, give it to Sherman.

He's never had a qb like mahomes who has elite situational awareness. McNabb was an effective qb but nowhere near the caliber of mahomes with this stuff. But yeah, I'd like to see toub step in and do this - much as toub has been disappointing he's best qualified to be in Reid's ear about game management.

:thumb: That was clear. It was obvious.

They were mad?

Well I would ****ing hope so.

Pat shouldn’t have to worry about getting on the defenses ass. That’s Andy’s failure as a head coach.

this team will change because of this game

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Andy wont change his ego won't let him. With a 3rd and 2 their D was tired to you run the ball I mean a blind man could have seen it. Andy believes he can fool folks with his schemes and he does often but in crunch time believe in your back and o line to get you 2 yards. They burn a timeout clock doesn't stop and if you only get a yard go for it on 4th end that shit right there.

Im sorry but in terms of situational football, Andy Reid is the biggest ****ing idiot in the game today.

You have 3rd n 2. ONE MOTHER ****ING FIRST DOWN WINS THE FOOTBALL GAME.

Does he scheme up two plays to get the two yards we need to win the game?

**** no.

He treats it like we are in the opening quarter, calls some stupid ****ing slow developing tight end screen that isnt even going to Kelce, but to a guy who arguably should not even be playing.

So he plays for a field goal to go up 8 and offer the Titans a shot to tie the game.

WHYYYYYYYYY????

First down wins the game.

I guaran-****ing-tee you that this thought NEVER entered his mind on that series.

The playcalls and play design scream otherwise.

It sucks, but with this defense, and now special teams screwing up, we will be in tight football games.

Games where you're supposed to be able to lean on a coach and trust him to know what the **** needs to happen to win that game.

I said it before in the terrible coach thread. We are non winning ANYTHING of substance until Andy learns situational football, or Mahomes is able to put 60 up on everyone to make the situations inconsequential.

Andy Reid is not ****ing capable of applying logic and reason to tight games, late in the 4th.

This is who he is. Period. Same bullshit at the presser, we will have the same results as every other year he has coached. No Title.

Final series against Houston. Abortion of playcalling, and punted with 5 minutes left knowing his defense couldn't stop a high school team.

Final series against Green Bay. 4th n 3 at midfield with again, 5 minutes left. Punt. Never saw the ball.

Final series against Titans. A slowass play to BELL of all ****ing people on 3rd n 2 instead of a couple of rushes to gain the 2 yards to WIN THE GAME.

Its simple shit that novice Madden players can grasp, yet somehow still eludes him after two plus decades.

How you have Pat go out there and put up 446 and 3 scores and still lose the ****ing game is incomprehensie to me.