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htismaqe 04-05-2022 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16234276)
I'm trading up to the 13-15 range for Johnson, Karlaftis would probably be the 15-20 range if he's there.

Johnson can set the edge in run defense AND has pass rush skills. I think he's a 10-12 sack a season guy.

Exactly.

duncan_idaho 04-05-2022 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16234245)
The Rich Hill model has the value at:

Chiefs giving up 483. Houston giving up (with #37) 498.

I was using the Johnson model for my earlier post.


So on hill, KC could do 29,30, 62, and 135 for 13 and 37. I would buy that.

SAGA45 04-05-2022 03:43 PM

I could be wrong but

30, 62 and a 2023 1st should net a 2022 top-15, '22 4th or 5th, and some combo of 2023 3rd, 4th or 5th.

That'd put the Chiefs in position to absolutely murder this draft IMO.

Coogs 04-05-2022 05:07 PM

I posted this one about a week ago. Pretty much the same one being discussed.

#29 - 640 points
#30 - 620 points
#50 - 400 points
#62 - 286 points (1946 total points)


To Houston for

#13 - 1150 points
#37 - 540 points
#68 - 250 points (1940 total points)


Net result:
Only one 1st, but at the top portion of the 1st.
Only one 2nd, but at the top of the 2nd.
Three 3rds. One early, two at the end.
Still have our two 4ths.
Still have our four 7ths.

Dante84 04-05-2022 05:33 PM

Incorporating the lounge stuff here, but what about:

Washington Receives
#29 (= 640 pts)
#30 (= 620 pts)
#103 (= 88 pts)
Mecole Hardman


Kansas City Receives
#11 (=1250 pts)
Terry McLaurin


We would have an alpha WR, plus:
@11 - we could potentially get an Edge with Thibodeaux, Walker or Johnson OR the top WR OR top DB OR top DT
@50 - we could still get a decent player at one of the positions from above
@62 - we could get a decent player at the remaining positions from the above

Stryker 04-05-2022 05:33 PM

Man I do not want to trade up but DAMN! This guy is awesome!

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Stryker 04-05-2022 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 16234557)
Incorporating the lounge stuff here, but what about:

Washington Receives
#29
#30
Mecole Hardman

Kansas City Receives
#11
Terry McLaurin

I could live with that all day and twice on Sunday!

Dante84 04-05-2022 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 16234559)
I could live with that all day and twice on Sunday!

I edited a bit to make it more fair and show values lol

Coogs 04-05-2022 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 16234557)
Incorporating the lounge stuff here, but what about:

Washington Receives
#29 (= 640 pts)
#30 (= 620 pts)
#103 (= 88 pts)
Mecole Hardman


Kansas City Receives
#11 (=1250 pts)
Terry McLaurin


We would have an alpha WR, plus:
@11 - we could potentially get an Edge with Thibodeaux, Walker or Johnson OR the top WR OR top DB OR top DT
@50 - we could still get a decent player at one of the positions from above
@62 - we could get a decent player at the remaining positions from the above

Pretty darn decent. Would be tempting.

Dante84 04-05-2022 06:53 PM

Yeah I mean, we got Nick Bolton last year at #58 and Creed Humphrey at #63, so there's no reason Veach couldn't ball out with #50 & #62 + McLaurin + #11. We would have to pay McLaurin though, which is something we were close to doing with Tyreek. If we lock him up before he's paired with Mahomes this year and blows it out, we might be getting him at a discount.

I dunno if Washington would pull that trigger though, but 3 top 100's and Mecole is a decent haul.

RunKC 04-05-2022 07:20 PM

Every Mock I see now has Johnson as a top 10 player. Don’t think we’re moving that high

Stryker 04-05-2022 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 16234632)
Yeah I mean, we got Nick Bolton last year at #58 and Creed Humphrey at #63, so there's no reason Veach couldn't ball out with #50 & #62 + McLaurin + #11. We would have to pay McLaurin though, which is something we were close to doing with Tyreek. If we lock him up before he's paired with Mahomes this year and blows it out, we might be getting him at a discount.

I dunno if Washington would pull that trigger though, but 3 top 100's and Mecole is a decent haul.

In this scenario, at 11, you would possibly have these players on the board...

Chris Olave
Derek Stingley, Jr.
Charles Cross
Jermaine Johnson II
Trent McDuffie
Jameson Williams
Devin Llloyd
Jordan Davis
Nakobe Dean
Jahan Dotson
Treylon Burks
George Karlafis
Andrew Booth Jr.
Devonte Wyatt

Who would you take? Jermaine Johnson II for me.

Dante84 04-05-2022 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 16234695)
In this scenario, at 11, you would possibly have these players on the board...

Chris Olave
Derek Stingley, Jr.
Charles Cross
Jermaine Johnson II
Trent McDuffie
Jameson Williams
Devin Llloyd
Jordan Davis
Nakobe Dean
Jahan Dotson
Treylon Burks
George Karlafis
Andrew Booth Jr.
Devonte Wyatt

Who would you take? Jermaine Johnson II for me.

Among those names, yeah, Johnson is at the top for me as well.

Couch-Potato 04-06-2022 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 16234557)
Incorporating the lounge stuff here, but what about:

Washington Receives
#29 (= 640 pts)
#30 (= 620 pts)
#103 (= 88 pts)
Mecole Hardman


Kansas City Receives
#11 (=1250 pts)
Terry McLaurin


We would have an alpha WR, plus:
@11 - we could potentially get an Edge with Thibodeaux, Walker or Johnson OR the top WR OR top DB OR top DT
@50 - we could still get a decent player at one of the positions from above
@62 - we could get a decent player at the remaining positions from the above

I'm not sure that's enough to get #11 AND Terry tbh, but I'm game if it is.

Couch-Potato 04-06-2022 05:28 AM

I like the idea of trading up with #29, and down with #30 to recoup the lost picks:


#29 (1st)
#103 (3rd)
#135 (4th)
=
#19 (1st) from the Eagles

&

#30 (1st)
=
#58 (2nd)
#82 (3rd)
#151 (5th) from ATL


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