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DJ's left nut 08-07-2019 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14383099)
Well of course it wasn’t. Ron Parker, Leon McQuay, Josh Shaw, Jordan Lucas, Armani Watts, the ghost of Eric Berry who did not care.

You don’t think Juan Thornhill is a drastic upgrade over those guys?

Sure. Because he's just a better player.

Look at the flipside of this argument - the offense played against dogshit in practice and was historically great.

If playing against a bad defense doesn't make the offense worse, how's playing against a good offense make a defense better? It stands to reason that it would have to cut both ways, no?

It's like the 'clutch player' argument. People always show those 'most clutch hitters' graphics and they're filled with some of the best players ever. And they say "see, clutch exists!" when the list demonstrates the exact opposite. Greatness exists, yes. And in key situations that greatness comes through because these are great players. Of course great players play well when it matters - they play well when it doesn't as well. They're just great players.

If this defense is greatly improved it will be because they added significant talent. Ultimately who they practice against will be irrelevant.

Hammock Parties 08-07-2019 09:33 AM

Tyreek looks strong.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/cheetah?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@cheetah</a> with the snag in tight coverage ��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/nfnr7lguic">pic.twitter.com/nfnr7lguic</a></p>&mdash; Chiefs Focus (@ChiefsFocus) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsFocus/status/1159111298799624193?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

CasselGotPeedOn 08-07-2019 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14383094)
How did Mike Mayock see Jonathan Abram below average ball skills in college and think for one minute that he was better than Juan Thornhill?

Okay...let me ask a better question. How the hell did Mike Mayock decide to draft Jonathan Abram after interviewing that guy and hearing him talk like a complete reerun?

It’s amazing that dumb teams like this let guys like Thornhill fall to us. The rich definitely got richer.

You would think their dumbasses would get ballhawks to try to compete against Mahomes every year but nope! Gotta get those run stuffing, hard hitting reeruns with no ball skills ROFL

There's a good chance Mayock wanted Thornhill and was overruled by Chucky.

DJ's left nut 08-07-2019 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14383106)
Tyreek looks strong.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/cheetah?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@cheetah</a> with the snag in tight coverage ��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/nfnr7lguic">pic.twitter.com/nfnr7lguic</a></p>&mdash; Chiefs Focus (@ChiefsFocus) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsFocus/status/1159111298799624193?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I don't know how you cover that guy in the slot, man.

Without a boundary to force him into, what the hell can you possibly do to stay in his pocket? His athleticism is the best in football, you can't just break with him and close and you can't use the sideline to maintain leverage.

I just don't know how the hell you cover that guy in the middle when you can't interrupt his release and he can work either direction in his break.

-King- 08-07-2019 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14383106)
Tyreek looks strong.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/cheetah?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@cheetah</a> with the snag in tight coverage ��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/nfnr7lguic">pic.twitter.com/nfnr7lguic</a></p>&mdash; Chiefs Focus (@ChiefsFocus) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsFocus/status/1159111298799624193?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yelder? With the false start on that play

Hammock Parties 08-07-2019 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14383108)
I don't know how you cover that guy in the slot, man.

Without a boundary to force him into, what the hell can you possibly do to stay in his pocket? His athleticism is the best in football, you can't just break with him and close and you can't use the sideline to maintain leverage.

I just don't know how the hell you cover that guy in the middle when you can't interrupt his release and he can work either direction in his break.

Zone coverage.

And then Kelce eats you alive. ROFL

This year is going to be incredibly fun now that Pat has reading defenses down...Pat.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 08-07-2019 09:47 AM

This is why you pay Hill

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Patrick Mahomes hits Tyreek Hill across the middle and Hill brings in the contested catch.<br><br>According to <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PFF_Chiefs</a>, Hill had the best contested catch rate among all NFL WRs last year.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1159110922335641601?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

warrior 08-07-2019 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 14383083)
Steal of the draft...




Sure was.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 08-07-2019 09:49 AM

Thornhill was a first round talent. How he fell to us I had no idea. But I was ecstatic when we drafted him. Looks like he’s living up to his potential so far

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 08-07-2019 09:50 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chris Jones has some moves, man. Wylie and LDT held their own on power moves, but Jones is so quick going inside and outside that he’s tough to get a handle on one-on-one.</p>&mdash; Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattderrick/status/1159118120390483968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

O.city 08-07-2019 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14383108)
I don't know how you cover that guy in the slot, man.

Without a boundary to force him into, what the hell can you possibly do to stay in his pocket? His athleticism is the best in football, you can't just break with him and close and you can't use the sideline to maintain leverage.

I just don't know how the hell you cover that guy in the middle when you can't interrupt his release and he can work either direction in his break.

Getting these dudes in the slot is just damn near unfair. Andy was ahead of the curve there when he used to do it with TO, it's just hard to cover.

They're gonna use Hardman and Hill to clear out so much space on one side for Watkins to work into from the other side it's gonna be fun.

O.city 08-07-2019 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14383125)
Thornhill was a first round talent. How he fell to us I had no idea. But I was ecstatic when we drafted him. Looks like he’s living up to his potential so far

I have been told that since guys didn't go in the first round they didn't have first round grades or talent or something like that.

staylor26 08-07-2019 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14383130)
I have been told that since guys didn't go in the first round they didn't have first round grades or talent or something like that.

You’re such a ****ing moron.

It’s pretty obvious that if you don’t go in the 1st round, the majority of teams probably didn’t have a 1st round grade on you. I don’t know why this is so difficult for you to grasp.

staylor26 08-07-2019 10:05 AM

Again, that doesn’t mean that 1st round talent doesn’t slip through the cracks sometimes. I’m not talking in absolutes, but you can’t seem to grasp that either.

Sassy Squatch 08-07-2019 10:06 AM

Oh hey. It's these two bickering again.


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