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Mecca 05-31-2023 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16965074)
I'm just giving you shit.

I see both sides of the argument in regards to Rodgers and the Packers, just feels like you ignore everything about Rodgers.

I think he 100% got petty about it toward the end. Stopped showing up to anything voluntary etc etc. I think the Jordan Love pick mixed with him openly asking for any kind of weapons being met with "**** off" spurned a pretty good chunk of hatred.

I do however think plenty of QB's would have been super pissed in his position. I win back to back MVPs and instead of helping me or doing anything to get us over the hump you draft my replacement.

I think there is fault on both sides but it could have been pretty easily fixed if they'd just patted Aaron on the back and given him a couple of receivers.

alpha_omega 05-31-2023 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16965094)
I think he 100% got petty about it toward the end...

Agreed. Hence the hate.

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16965094)
... if they'd just patted Aaron on the back and given him a couple of receivers acquiesced to his douchiness.

FYP

Mecca 05-31-2023 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by alpha_omega (Post 16965126)
Agreed. Hence the hate.



FYP

Lets spin this though...

If Mahomes had just won MVP and the Chiefs lost in the AFC championship game and he is roughly 37 years old. Would you expect him to be just a little frustrated they drafted his replacement instead of trying to win another one?

The thing is, is I wouldn't expect the Chiefs to do that to Mahomes and I fully think if that was on the table they would tell him way beforehand.

The entire thing was handled poorly, not communicating with your franchise player, not giving him weapons to the point that it became a running ****ing joke in the league. When he attempted to communicate being told they didn't want his input so he went public which then of course lead to his reputation taking a hit and we are where we are today.

I also think Rodgers just got petty about it because he realized nothing would ever change. I also think he felt he was afforded the same respect in his organization that other top QB's were in theirs.

I would personally like to hear an example of another franchise QB that was treated the way Rodgers was by the Packers.

Sassy Squatch 05-31-2023 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16965094)
I think he 100% got petty about it toward the end. Stopped showing up to anything voluntary etc etc. I think the Jordan Love pick mixed with him openly asking for any kind of weapons being met with "**** off" spurned a pretty good chunk of hatred.

I do however think plenty of QB's would have been super pissed in his position. I win back to back MVPs and instead of helping me or doing anything to get us over the hump you draft my replacement.

I think there is fault on both sides but it could have been pretty easily fixed if they'd just patted Aaron on the back and given him a couple of receivers.

You do realize they drafted Love BEFORE he won his back to back MVPs, right? Also was putting up some rather pedestrian numbers for a few seasons relative to his usual standards.

Mecca 05-31-2023 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16965148)
You do realize they drafted Love BEFORE he won his back to back MVPs, right? Also was putting up some rather pedestrian numbers for a few seasons relative to his usual standards.

It's still something you have a convo about if you're considering doing that out of respect, dudes a HOFer.

alpha_omega 05-31-2023 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16965139)
Lets spin this though...

If Mahomes had just won MVP and the Chiefs lost in the AFC championship game and he is roughly 37 years old. Would you expect him to be just a little frustrated they drafted his replacement instead of trying to win another one?

The thing is, is I wouldn't expect the Chiefs to do that to Mahomes and I fully think if that was on the table they would tell him way beforehand.

The entire thing was handled poorly, not communicating with your franchise player, not giving him weapons to the point that it became a running ****ing joke in the league. When he attempted to communicate being told they didn't want his input so he went public which then of course lead to his reputation taking a hit and we are where we are today.

I also think Rodgers just got petty about it because he realized nothing would ever change. I also think he felt he was afforded the same respect in his organization that other top QB's were in theirs.

I would personally like to hear an example of another franchise QB that was treated the way Rodgers was by the Packers.

I hear what you are saying, but at 1-4 in Championship games, Rodgers can STFU.

Not sure I recall all the details, but wasn't the Favre/Rodgers thing similar?

Mecca 05-31-2023 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by alpha_omega (Post 16965165)
I hear what you are saying, but at 1-4 in Championship games, Rodgers can STFU.

Not sure I recall all the details, but wasn't the Favre/Rodgers thing similar?

Yes and no, Favre got pushed out because he kept telling them he didn't know if he was going to retire or comeback and it just turned into a ****ing show. Then Rodgers told Ted Thompson if Favre came back he was leaving to go play elsewhere. Thompson didn't want to just lose Rodgers so he chose to deal Favre instead.

This one is more that Rodgers and Guntekunst have had an ongoing feud almost since the day he was hired. A lot of it comes down to that Gute doesn't care that Rodgers is a franchise player, doesn't care what he wants etc etc. So he's busy blowing picks on shitty defensive players and not signing anyone while he expects Rodgers to just carry the offense.

The biggest reason this shit happened 2 times in a row is because GB doesn't have an owner. A GM there doesn't really have anyone to answer to, like here for example Clark would never in a million years let a GM just take a dump on the franchise QB.

dirk digler 05-31-2023 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16964847)
Uh no one is surprised by this. That GM basically told Rodgers to go **** himself, I'd love to see if you'd say "**** this guy" if in 10 years the Chiefs have a new GM and he tells Mahomes his input isn't needed and "you're just the QB" leading to Mahomes having a public feud with the organization.

That would never happen because we actually have an owner unlike the Packers

Mecca 05-31-2023 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 16965182)
That would never happen because we actually have an owner unlike the Packers

It'll be really funny though when Jordan Love bombs and they win 3 games.

MarkDavis'Haircut 05-31-2023 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16965139)
Lets spin this though...

If Mahomes had just won MVP and the Chiefs lost in the AFC championship game and he is roughly 37 years old. Would you expect him to be just a little frustrated they drafted his replacement instead of trying to win another one?

The thing is, is I wouldn't expect the Chiefs to do that to Mahomes and I fully think if that was on the table they would tell him way beforehand.

The entire thing was handled poorly, not communicating with your franchise player, not giving him weapons to the point that it became a running ****ing joke in the league. When he attempted to communicate being told they didn't want his input so he went public which then of course lead to his reputation taking a hit and we are where we are today.

I also think Rodgers just got petty about it because he realized nothing would ever change. I also think he felt he was afforded the same respect in his organization that other top QB's were in theirs.

I would personally like to hear an example of another franchise QB that was treated the way Rodgers was by the Packers.

They treated Rodgers like they treated Favre.

Rainbarrel 05-31-2023 02:05 PM

Rodger's post season record blows because his arm is wasted from throwing people under the bus all season

Sassy Squatch 05-31-2023 02:08 PM

Wait, why are we pretending Rodgers just wanted the same relationship the Chiefs and Mahomes have? Because it's a complete bullshit narrative driven by Rodgers. Rodgers wanted Gute to do want Rodgers wanted and Gute is under no obligation to oblige him.

Mecca 05-31-2023 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16965198)
Wait, why are we pretending Rodgers just wanted the same relationship the Chiefs and Mahomes have? Because it's a complete bullshit narrative driven by Rodgers. Rodgers wanted Gute to do want Rodgers wanted and Gute is under no obligation to oblige him.

I think most people would acknowledge that doing nothing but drafting shitty defensive players in the 1st round when you have a need for weapons is odd. Also I think dude just wanted to have some input on what he'd like to play with. Basically all franchise QB's get that, he was basically told he's just another player nothing more.

I mean cmon now, they managed to hit on Davante Adams in the second but other than that they expected Rodgers to make it work with 3rd day draft picks.

We're gonna take defensive players with our 1st pick 6 years in a row! The one that isn't will be a QB...then we'll turn around and you know what take even more defensive players! All the while having a defense that never gets any better..

I'll go back to 18 since that is when dude was promoted to GM.

First 2 round picks each year

18
Jaire Alexander
Josh Jackson

19
Rashan Gary
Dantrell Savage
Elgton Jekins

20
Jordan Love
AJ Dillon

21
Eric Stokes
Josh Myers

22
Quay Walker
Devonte Wyatt
Christian Watson

23
Lukas Van Ness
Luke Musgrave
Jayden Reed

That is a shit ton of defensive players for a defense that still isn't good.

MarkDavis'Haircut 05-31-2023 02:18 PM

Rodgers' only Super Bowl win come with a top five defense.

Gravedigger 05-31-2023 02:21 PM

If you look at their stats, I'd take Favre over Rodgers on the football field. You get the interceptions, but Favre is leading in some key categories.


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