Rodgers will not be traded... I know the media is pushing it and lots of fans want it, but no thanks and especially no thanks at the 3 players and 4 picks asking price. The only way I would be open to it is at a price they would never accept and that's fine with me, I just have no desire to give up the players discussed. It's nonsensical.

I would rather keep those players and what we have... and finish middle of the pack with close scores, as opposed to give up those key weapons and get a top QB that will score more points, win 2-3 more games and end up with the same result because the weapons were gutted to acquire him.

Wouldn't Denver giving all this stuff up for Rodgers just end up putting Rodgers on a team with GB level talent or less around him and few assets to improve?

Looks like a lateral move.

Sounds great!

Those foundational pieces won't really matter if they can't get a QB though. Being a Chiefs fan, we're pretty well versed in this whole thing.

Yeah..I think a lot of Doink fans are having visions of a Manning type of rebound...except they didn't have to give up anything to acquire him.

As I posted earlier..Rodgers is 1-4 in NFCCG and hasn't played well in any of them. Mahomes has been fantastic in this scenario...should have been to 3 straight SBs.

Is the goal to get to the SB or just be competitive? AR hasnt been to a SB in a decade...it's not like he hasn't had chances.

Should have rolled the dice with Fields...

Exactly.

If they have to give up foundational pieces to get a QB, Rodgers is right back where he is in Green Bay.

It's just stupid.

I wouldn’t care if I was them. This is a QB driven league and they would likely have time left with him. I’d say at least 4 years.

Without a QB you have no shot to beat us. Getting a pass rusher isn’t terribly difficult. Getting a QB that can compete with Mahomes is.

You mean back to back Champ games?

Denver would gladly make that trade.

They can roll with those foundational pieces or trade them for arguably the best QB in the league for the next 3 or 4 years and take a shot. Otherwise, they'll maybe compete for some WC spots.

It's so easy to get a pass rusher that the Broncos have drafted 5 of them in the first 2 rounds in the last 10 years and the only ones even still with the team were both top 5 picks.

You don't trade that kind of scratch to lose conference championships.

And one could argue that if they have to trade those players, they're FAR worse than Green Bay is right now.

I can't believe people think this is worth it.

To get Aaron Rodgers, thats what you'll have to trade to make it happen.

It's a QB driven league right?

I don't think he's traded. You can't trade enough to make it worthwhile to move him and the Broncos won't give up enough. But that's about what it would take.

OMG!!! WE AGREE!!!! :clap:

However, IMO the majority of the Denver fan base does not feel the same way, especially if the mongoloids on the Mange are any kind of an indicator...What if Elway / Paton & Co. feel as though they have to do "SOMETHING" drastic to keep up with KC / Mahomes and LA / Herbert. Both have solid young Franchise QB's in place who will make it very hard for Denver to be a factor for years to come. There may be a feeling that they would rather compete for a couple years, than continue to be irrevelant.

If it's me, and it's gonna cost me the farm, I spend it on Deshaun Watson. He'll be around for years to come and can offset the cost with years of service - long enough to actually be around to build a team for the long haul. Of course, there will be many suitors for his services next season and many are in the NFC who can offer way more draft capital. Regardless, If I'm gonna go Franchise QB poaching, that would be my play.

How many Lombardi's has Russell Wilson won since his supporting cast went to shit? Aaron Rodgers past speaks for itself.

How about Drew Brees? Matt Ryan? Cam Newton?

It's a QB driven league but if you have to give up the strength of your team to get him, you're neutering yourself right out of the gate.

The Broncos with Rodgers but without Jeudy and Bradley Chubb simply aren't a contender.

The problem is that Watson might not be playing for a long, long time.

Any team with Aaron Rodgers is arguably a contender.

I mean, Drew Brees had the best roster in the league the last 3 or 4 years and didn't even make a SB.

Nothing is guaranteed. The Chiefs with Mahomes and Andy may never make it to another SB. Who knows.

But if you have the chance to get the best QB in the league, it's gonna be expensive.

Agree to disagree.

Two steps forward two steps back isn't a recipe for Super Bowl success.

I sincerely hope Denver does this. It would be a disaster.

So stay with the garbage you’ve had the last 5 years getting top 10 draft picks?

And no man. If Rodgers goes to Denver next month they are automatically the 2nd best team in the AFC who could challenge us.

If Rodgers has 3 years left in him...he's worth that amount of picks and players. He's not going to play for GB again according to him. If that's true...the Packers will move him. If he comes to Denver...great. KC...get ready if it's in the AFC West.

They theory for Denver would be. it’s a lot easier to find replacements for those guys than another Aaron Rodgers.

Nope. Sorry.

Except it isn't. At least not for Denver.

KC is better than Denver with Rodgers. And will have the draft capital to widen that gap in the immediate future, and the immediate future is all Rodgers affords...:shrug: So BRING IT!

Yea, without any 1st round picks for the foreseeable future, that wouldn’t exactly be an easier.

Being that we have Mahomes, I would understand it, but it would be a move for 2nd place in the end.

Exactly.

I hope they do it. This stuff about them being an instant contender with Rodgers, after trading away 2 to 3 top tier players and 3 first round draft picks, is laughable.

They won't have a 1st round draft pick again until after Rodgers retires, most likely. That would be stupid.

The immediate future is all that matters.

Exactly, because the clock would be ticking...They'd be on a hamster wheel.

If you trade away Bradley Chubb and Jerry Jeudy or Noah Fant, the immediate future isn't championships. Rodgers can't do it all by himself.

INCONTHEIVABLE!

That's my point. KC would still be better on day 1, and in the immediate future would have the draft picks and a roster of core players in tact, to widen the gap.

Ah yes, the superbowl or bust mentality. No thanks, not interested in mortgaging the fruits of the previous two and next two drafts to chase a dream for only 3 years. Now, Watson without all the legal and personal BS is a totally different scenario.

Ding...Ding...Ding! My point exactly. And to take it further, a lack of draft capital to quickly rebuild.

It's a cute story and all, but this one just needs to fade away...

Rodgers would have a mediocre at best line in Denver and he wouldn't have a receiving target like Adams.

Ex-ac-a-tac-ly!

Another word for "draft" is "crap shoot". Proven players win the Pepsi challenge with draft picks any ole day of the week. If we get Rodgers...they will not be high round picks anyway. Understand the juggernaut is in our division and to compete...we might have to borrow to just compete.

If I'm Denver, I stand pat this year, unless you can get Watson. That makes them instant contenders AND sets them up for the future. In a year, nobody will care that he digs having his anus oiled (except here on CP of course). He's the best move for Denver IMO.

...so I hope they trade the universe for Rodgers.

If you take away Jeudy and Chubb they're probably not the second best team in the AFC West....and still behind Cleveland, Buffalo, and likely Baltimore as well.

Gotcha. Desperate times call for desperate measures...

Pulling for you and hope that the Broncos embrace your strategy fully.

You're assuming Watson is even eligible to play.

Love the logic! :thumb:

During the Manning years, I said that winning a title would buy me time and I would be content for a bit... realizing it was a short-term window. They won it and while it's been a frustrating 5 years, it's still only been 5 years and I'm not too terribly interested in another short-term shot. And, as previously pointed out - he was a FA and Denver only had to give up on Tebow to get him. Pretty easy decision.

I think Denver has a good young team and while they lack at the most important position, I'm just not on board with these trade talks to acquire Rodgers.

I think the he will. I bet Goodell throws the book at him with a year suspension and it gets appealed down to 8 or 9 games and he's cleared to play. Gonna be hard to prove criminal charges. I think the bigger problem would be the competition Denver will face from other teams for Watson next season. So, Denver's only play to immediate relevancy might just be Rodgers now. I'd still pass because of the cost. But that's just me.

Watson is NOT going to be traded to the AFC...that's a pipe dream. No GM, in his right mind, would do that if you have similar offers from teams outside of your conference.

Eagles have 3 1st round picks and NYG have two...Doinks cant compete with that....and that's just teams off the top of my head. Vikings and Saints are others..

Watson has no say where he ends up....

Yea my point is it makes no sense for Rodgers to leave what would ultimately be a better situation.

Yep. Not to mention Wash and New Orleans would be in the mix as well. And Miami could offer as much or more in the AFC. There's going to be a slew of teams in the mix for Watson. But, if you're going to trade the farm for a QB, Watson is the way to go.

Good luck in QB purgatory, picking anywhere between 14-20 every year.

I can tell you how it works out if you'd like or you can wait and see?

He doesn't care about the football situation as much as the big picture.

He hates the Packers front office and wants to play out west. That's what it boils down to.

Trading the core of their team for Rodgers isn't a solution. It's different but it's not BETTER.

Thanks... it happens to most teams. You guys were there for a while, now it's my turn for a bit. I was 12 when I became a Denver fan, Elway's 2nd season... and it was a hell of a ride. Then, 13 seasons with a few decent runs until Manning. Now, I'm entering season 6 since the SB. I think they have a solid team right now after solid drafts and smarter FA signings for the most part.

It's a hell of a division though. We'll see how it goes.

Last place. 3rd place best case. I've been right, you know, a lot the past few years when it comes to Denver's misery. It's been pretty satisfying! :D

Maybe, 2nd place isn’t impossible

Second place for Denver would require really stupid coaching and a slew of injuries from the Chargers bordering on the unholy........so, yeah, it’s possible.

NFL.com predicted 8.1 wins for the Donks...so a 8-9 record keeps them comfortably out of top QB draft range. This will continue forever until they get a top 10 QB...

Even with a top 5 defense...they will never be able to consistently compete with the Chiefs/Mahomes.

Should have rolled the dice with Fields...Surtain isnt going to make them a contender. He would have been a great pick if they already had a QB.

Chiefs revamped o-line is going to put Mahomes back in the 45-50/5000 range. Doinks are going to have to score points..

I believe a winning strategy would be to trade for a Patriots backup. maybe get their front office guy.

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Not "impossible," cuz you never know when Charger gonna Charger.

Of course it's better. You have the QB, you can put pieces around him easier than you can add an MVP QB to a team.

LOL. Is this a Chiefs fan post from 1993-20017?

Good luck man.

Well, the window is too narrow for Rodgers if you try to do that though... if you're trading for Rodgers with the goal of winning the SB in the next 3 years, you have to be crazy super deep if you have to give up key young studs at top positions like DL and OL.

Broncos fans think they're going to get Rodgers for a few draft picks and no players. Hilarious.

GB has no intention of making a deal, but if they did, they would absolutely fleece the trade partner. They have the leverage here. They're not giving up the MVP for a few late first round picks.

Is Bradley Chubb an all pro type pass rusher? Is Jeudy that at WR?

Maybe they are and you just can't let them go. I dunno. But if you can trade a pass rusher and a WR for a HOF MVP QB in his prime, I'd think you'd be pretty interested.

The issue is just Rodgers age. Are we at "fall off a cliff" time?

I’m willing to bet if he’s traded it will be for less than what most are predicting.

Green Bay is poorly managed. They are going to get fisted on any deal.

What pieces can they put around him without having a 1st round pick until 2024?

Chubb is not a guy that I'm interested in trading, not with Von being in his situation. Jeudy... same deal, why give up on him as a #2 behind Sutton at this point?

And, sure... if Rodgers were 32, go for it maybe. But, that's not the scenario.

And, that's the problem with also giving up a Jeudy and/or Chubb.

Imagine how good Alex Smith would be without Justin Houston, Eric Berry (when healthy) and all of those guys.

You're just not looking at this rationally.

He turned in his best throw times near ever last year. I don't think that's a near term concern.

Jeudy I would trade in a heartbeat...Chubb might be iffy. But Chubb hasn't really accomplished anything either. He did put up 14 sacks as a rookie, but part of that is the scheme being run where he's showcased.

QB is the most important position on the field. If you can get the league MVP...you do that. Not any any cost, but within reason.

If they give up 3 consecutive first round picks, it's entirely likely that Rodgers will be RETIRED before they have another one.

Free agency, the second round on?

They'll be good so those picks will be at the back end of the first either way.

I don't think the trade happens, Denver won't give up that much.

But if they don't, they'll be right in that 9/10 win ceiling for a while as they don't have a QB. So either way works for me.

The prices being thrown around simply aren't "within reason". That's the issue.

They're not a contender with Rodgers if they give up that much to get him. I don't care how good he is.

He might get them to 11 or 12 wins but they're not winning in the playoffs with Rodgers and a bunch of nobody's. GB can't win and they have the best WR in the game arguably.

And he had all those guys and made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs once.

If we're shooting for the Alex Smith Chiefs tenure, sure. Go for it.

You aren't winning a SB with that type of Qb in today's NFL. So you have a choice.

You aren't winning a SB with Aaron Rodgers and a bunch of 2nd-tier players. See also: Green Bay.

GB made it to back to back NFC championship games.

Rodgers didn't play his best in either, but the SF one didn't matter, they couldn't stop a nosebleed. But with Rodgers and his ability, I don't think anyone woudl argue that GB had a chance.

Can Denver not add any other players?

That would be sweet, but won't happen.

It's too bad DaeSeann Hamilton had his injury, looks like he was about to be traded and could have been a nice piece to a trade offer for Rodgers.

QB - Lock (or Bridgewater)
WR - KJ Hamler (or Tim Patrick)
LB - Josey Jewel (or Alexander Johnson)
CB - Michael Ojemudia (or Caden Stearns, rookie)

2022 R1
2022 R3
2023 R2

Do something like that --- which is likely not ideal for GB --- but, I could certainly be happy with that kind of a trade.

How good have they been at adding players?

Like I said yesterday when somebody said Chubb is easily replaced, the Broncos have spent 5 1st or 2nd round picks on DE's in the last 10 drafts and only 2 have panned out. Both were top 5 picks.

We're talking about the Broncos here. They've been AWFUL with personnel for the better part of Elway's tenure.

I get what you're saying htis. You need a solid squad to win.

But I would atleast get Denver taking a shot doing this. The alternative is to keep winning 6/7 and being a shitbird team with good players. Atleast this way you are a hot streak from your Qb away from having a chance.