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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My top 5 breakout Wide Receivers for 2023. Have at it. <a href="https://t.co/fjuRYRxcCw">pic.twitter.com/fjuRYRxcCw</a></p>&mdash; Peter Schrager (@PSchrags) <a href="https://twitter.com/PSchrags/status/1665710229965746176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So it's top 5 WRs to breakout, not overall.

If he ends up like those first 3, who have most definitely already broken out, I will be f***ing ecstatic.

We all will. That would be the dream scenario.

Schrager was also just in KC last weekend for the big slick. Mahomes was there and probably veach

Chiefs were leaking Pacheco hype last year.

Seems like a similar scenario.

What if Justyn Ross is healthy, runs good routes, and becomes a legit sideline possession receiving option?

And if Rashee Rice has a Maclin-esque rookie season under Reid (56rec 773yds 4tds).

And if Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney pick up right where they left off in the SB.

Can you imagine how dominant our offense would be if 3 of those 4 things happen? We'd be in incredibly good shape if even 2 of them happen.

Third-year NFL breakout candidates for 2023: Khalil Herbert, Kadarius Toney and more

WR KADARIUS TONEY, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
Toney saw 25 targets from just 85 snaps as a receiver last season after his midseason trade from the New York Giants, and he has a realistic shot at being Patrick Mahomes’ WR1 now that JuJu Smith-Schuster is no longer in town. Toney has averaged 2.14 yards per route run through his first two seasons in the league and has forced 19 missed tackles from just 62 receptions.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-third-y...ent=newsletter

Hmm, remind me, what exactly did a Skyy and Toney do in the SB?

Toney is fine other than he can't stay on the field, no one thinks he lacks talent.

Scored receiving touchdowns. We'd like that to continue. :thumb:

Interesting that he has Drake London on there. Because Drake London "lacks speed" and "cannot get separation" and that made me be down on him and he just went ahead and defied all preconceived notions and got 72 catches for nearly 900 yards anyway.

Sometimes guys are just *waves hands generally* good at being a receiver.

London ran a little faster than Ross when they worked out 4.5 to 4.6.

What sets those guys apart though is London plays with a high level of strength for a WR, he's a lot more physical than Ross has ever shown.

There is a place for 6'4 WR's that don't have elite long speed, just London has shown a lot more of the smooth short area quickness and just being reliable and knowing where to be than we've really ever seen from Ross. Like Drake London is a really good high point the ball receiver..Ross dunno.

The difference in a top 10 pick and a UDFA aside from serious injury is London has shown he can do those things Ross you're hoping he can.

yep, when the Chiefs want something out there, they’ll talk to Schrager.

Yes. More than 2 per player in 2023 would be excellent.

Ross is apparently going to be this year’s Pacheco. The guy whose (mild) hype is mocked throughout OTC and training camp, until it proves to be legitimate.

That would be pretty awesome 👍

That would be incredible.

In my opinion this guy will be the second best player to ever play ANY sport!!!!

Wow, so we’re still doubting Dieter?

John Ross is better than TO.

F NO SIRS!!! Jeter will be the third best athlete to ever live!!

From SR’s lips (keyboard?) to God’s ears!

FYP, afterall Bob Hayes is the only player to ever win a Gold Medal in the Olympics and a SB.

It's only fair/sarcasm

Probably. TO’s 49.

I’d bet he’s not, nor ever will be, no matter how old TO gets

He’s no legend like the great Sippio.

Sippio should be considered a legend but the clock is ticking. What is he now, early 40s? Pretty sure he's out of jail unless he got locked up again for something else.

If he's going to make a run at Jerry Rice's records he needs to do it now.

IK he played a different position but IIRC Boomer Grigsby had the most fan hype of any player that was JaG. Hopefully Ross is just a little better than that.

That’s another name that I forgot about. They were probably the two most hyped JAGs ever on this team. That hype still paled in comparison to Geno though.

Forgot about the good ol choco penii draft. Had fans legitimately hating each other.

What about Jesse Haynes?

Box Jumping Mile Catapano comes to mind.

Rich Scanlon was also a cult favorite.

I'll just say this...

It's foolish to dismiss any WR signed by this team before they're given a chance. Reid might be as good as anyone in the history of the game at designing/calling plays and getting receivers open. And then there's this Mahomes guy who tends to elevate his receivers. He made Pringle and Albert Wilson look like above average receivers.

And it's especially foolish to dismiss a player who was considered a first round talent not long ago and is receiving hype from Reid himself.

Ross ran on a foot that needed a further surgery. It's reasonable to expect he's actually faster than that on two good feet.

I'm not saying he's a speed demon, but just pointing that out.

Agreed, but I will say that WR appears to be the one position in the offense after QB that has the steepest learning curve. But if they have the talent, they will eventually get it and Reid/Mahomes will make them look better than they are.

Don't know why, but that name does not ring a bell.

Good catches. They also belong in the CP pantheon of overhyped JAGs.

Running back, but not as good as Brian Shay.

The Real Deal

I feel like Haynes was the original in a long line of hopefuls. He started it all.

Wouldn't it be fun, though? What a great story.

Yeah, yeah, odds are against it, but that's what would be so great about it.

I love an underdog story.

I'm not expecting anything, but I'm sure rooting for the kid.

He missed OTAs today. Is he injured before the off-season even starts again? I know it's not mandatory, but he's really not the guy that can afford to miss any type of off-season stuff. I really hope not and that he had something previously planned.

Iirc he was posting recently about a friend that died on ig, maybe it’s something to to with that.


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I imagine it's a personal issue.

He's not REALLY an injury prone player. He's technically only had one serious football related injury.

So lets get this "Injury prone" thing out of our collective heads.

Marty Schottenheimer at one Chiefs camp: "I've got two words for you, Jesse Haynes."

A lot of people seem to think the spinal surgery was injury-related rather than a diagnosed "stinger" leading them to discover a defect he had since birth that got fixed as a preventative measure. He had two vertebrae fused together since birth. Technically the surgery would give him more flexibility and less risk of injury moving forward.

It was always the foot, which was serious. But he's not an NBA center, people heal from that eventually. Sammy Watkins did.

He's so good he declined in production every year he was in college and didn't even get drafted. Sleeper!

Not nearly as good as Brodie Croyle who was the next Tom Brady.

Remember when you mocked that 7th round RB selected last year? I guess if you just trash everybody, you're bound to be right a few times, eh?

FYP

Justyn Ross warmed up early, but missed team activities. I think he's dealing with some type of injury.

Photo #7 shows him catching a pass at practice, so if he is injured it must not be too severe.

https://www.chiefs.com/photos/photos...0-daab69c2942e

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Photo woulda been from yesterday. Report is possibly from today?

No idea. But I posted this at 6:45 am. His was at 12:21am.

Oh shit, didn't see the time stamps on these posts, my bad.

No problem! 👍

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This recent Justyn Ross and Skyy Moore training footage is exactly what we needed as training camp gets closer 👀 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/trGEvjbIPX">pic.twitter.com/trGEvjbIPX</a></p>&mdash; how bout those CHIEFS (@hbtCHIEFS) <a href="https://twitter.com/hbtCHIEFS/status/1680608233524985856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

And I'm spent.

Lol, this is the type of stuff we give KnowMo shit for all of the time.

Not banking on him, but wouldn't it be cool if JRoss turns out to be a plus player? What a great story.

Is it training camp time yet?

TBH, if a player has ability and can stay relatively healthy, I expect him to be at least decently productive in this offense. If Mahomes/Reid can make Byron Pringle look decent, why not this guy?

I soured on Justyn Ross based on a lot of guys in here saying he's slow.

Reading up on him before his foot injury and his production rate was off the charts. He looks healthy and quick.

This preseason is going to be fun.

Some WR questions from someone not as informed:

Who are our speedy guys now? We had a Legion of Zoom with Hill and Hardman.
Do we have that caliber of speed now? Is this Ross fellow one of them?
What 40 time is the tipping point between fast and elite fast?

The Clemson pre-injury/surgery Ross is exactly the kind of receiver this offense needs.

We aren't that kind of offense anymore, we are more ball control passing.

Mahomes can win with any shit. Throw 4 eligible OL out wide and he'll still beat you.

The other Ross is that kinda speed.

Doubt he makes the team though.

It depends on our personnel obviously, but I think we all know Mahomes can beat you no matter what defense you throw at him. 2 high Fangio has just been the fad recently.

And I've got a feeling that fad is about to become passe.

The Fangio-consulted Eagles were completely helpless

I think they're looking at MVS for a little speed.

Ross and Toney have all sorts of speed and skill. If one of them is totally healthy we will be better than last year on offense.

The guy has a huge uphill battle. Looking at the roster one can easily see that the top 4 WR's are fairly established at this point for a variety of reasons. That leaves you with 2 WR's that could potentially make it onto the 53 man roster from a pool of 10 remaining WR's.

Considering Justyn Ross doesn't play special teams his likelihood of making the 53 man roster as the 5th or 6th WR are almost nil.

What I don't understand is the statement that Justyn Ross "doesn't" play special teams. Isn't it just that he hasn't in the past? Can't he LEARN to play ST? Is there something wrong with him that he CAN'T play ST?

I mean, no WR 6 is making a team without playing ST. So he's out unless he learns.

How does he compare to a Bob Sippio?

Yeah but that was because of the turf

The prediction of Justyn Ross not making the 53 took a huge hit when Hopkins didn't sign.

Chances are better he is on the team than off at this point. I don't know why anyone would poo poo his chances other than being a debbie downer.

It's not hard to understand. He doesn't play special teams as he has never been asked to. He wouldn't be a returner or any kind. That is not the type or player he is. Sure you could throw him out there to the wolves. There will be growing pains but the most you could expect rom his is to be in a gunner role like Marcus Kemp. Exciting!

I just see with the investment the organization has put into players like Justin Watson and Richie James it isn't hard to see that barring injury, Justyn Ross is a huge longshot to make it over them.

I think I saw somewhere during one of the OTA's he was catching kickoffs