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staylor26 03-22-2024 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17453887)
To Crow's point, I actually like RD 2 better for WR. Feels like we'd be taking a bit of a risk with the guys at the bottom of RD 1.

To DJ's point, some of the same guys would be considered steals 10-20 pick later so maybe we just need to take one at the end of RD 1 and be happy with it.

I like Franklin, Coleman, Legette, & Burton most.

Will be interesting to see how the league feels abut the WR board.

You picked somebody already picked in the mock. Pick again please!

RunKC 03-22-2024 12:43 PM

6.80 reported time. What I clocked it as too.

Very good time

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DJ's left nut 03-22-2024 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17453887)
To Crow's point, I actually like RD 2 better for WR. Feels like we'd be taking a bit of a risk with the guys at the bottom of RD 1.

To DJ's point, some of the same guys would be considered steals 10-20 pick later so maybe we just need to take one at the end of RD 1 and be happy with it.

I like Franklin, Coleman, Legette, & Burton most.

Will be interesting to see how the league feels abut the WR board.

Point of order:

I don't actually have a point.

kccrow 03-22-2024 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 17453871)
I don't think giving my perspective on what I have watched is lazy. Terrion Arnold is a consensus top CB in the draft and Mitchell torched him all game. Of course I am going to focus on those reps. And just because he doesn't "look" fast on tape, doesn't mean he's not - its ****ing relative. We was CLEARLY running away from Terrion Arnold, who runs a 4.5. So in those terms - he plays faster than he looks, and a lot of that is related to acceleration IN GAME and the fact that he gets defenders out of position.

I was a little curious so I even went and looked at PFFs new Game Athleticism Score - and wouldn't you know who Number 2 is on that list?

You have also pitched a fit because of how personal it gets around here; maybe look in the mirror, pal. Just because we disagree doesn't make me lazy and ridiculous. Further, I ain't the only guy who has AD Mitchell as a top 5 WR. Go look around.

I'm not making it personal, I"m telling you it's a lazy ****ing take that has been regurgitated ad nauseum. I can make it ****ing personal for you though if you want.

How many catches did he torch Arnold for in that game? Let's start with your astute analysis of that, then we'll get personal because I have no real ****s to give in life.

Nightfyre 03-22-2024 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17454285)
I'm not making it personal, I"m telling you it's a lazy ****ing take that has been regurgitated ad nauseum. I can make it ****ing personal for you though if you want.

How many catches did he torch Arnold for in that game? Let's start with your astute analysis of that, then we'll get personal because I have no real ****s to give in life.

Bro have you even watched? Maybe the reason it's regurgitated is because it is both consequential and true. Are you just running around assuming that everyone borrowed the take and can't independently review a game and agree on a conclusion

Couch-Potato 03-22-2024 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17453891)
You picked somebody already picked in the mock. Pick again please!

Sorry brotha! I checked like 3 times and didn't see his name.

Appreciate the supplementary pick, nice choice!

Couch-Potato 03-22-2024 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17453981)
6.80 reported time. What I clocked it as too.

Very good time

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How did we come up with the "3-cone drill? ...it's kind of unique, doesn't exactly mimic any true football play, I get that we're testing agility, twitch, and quickness etc but how did they decide this was they way to do it?

Couch-Potato 03-22-2024 08:18 PM

Which teams are most likely to take a WR in Rounds 1 or 2?

kccrow 03-22-2024 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 17454378)
Bro have you even watched? Maybe the reason it's regurgitated is because it is both consequential and true. Are you just running around assuming that everyone borrowed the take and can't independently review a game and agree on a conclusion

Have you? I don't think you have. He beat McKinstry ONCE and he beat Arnold TWICE. One of the plays against Arnold was a penalty where he did beat Arnold handedly. His big-play, deep TD was against TREY AMOS which accounted for 50% of his yardage. He also fumbled in that game.

Tell me again what I do and don't watch. Please.

Nightfyre 03-22-2024 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17454982)
Have you? I don't think you have. He beat McKinstry ONCE and he beat Arnold TWICE. One of the plays against Arnold was a penalty where he did beat Arnold handedly. His big-play, deep TD was against TREY AMOS which accounted for 50% of his yardage. He also fumbled in that game.

Tell me again what I do and don't watch. Please.

He beat Arnold for two holds - beat him badly enough that Arnold is hanging on for dear life. His speed plays. Maybe not 4.34 - but fast enough to win in man coverage in the NFL.

kccrow 03-22-2024 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 17454985)
He beat Arnold for two holds - beat him badly enough that Arnold is hanging on for dear life. His speed plays. Maybe not 4.34 - but fast enough to win in man coverage in the NFL.

Ah yes, the one where Arnold tripped and fell so he grabbed him on his way down. I forgot about that one. Can't really chalk that one up to Adonai torching him. It's a play I think Arnold has to make there.

You're still not going to push an agenda that he "torched" two "first round" CBs all night because that's simply inaccurate. He never torched McKinstry and he might not be a 1st rounder to begin with.

Nightfyre 03-22-2024 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17455002)
Ah yes, the one where Arnold tripped and fell so he grabbed him on his way down. I forgot about that one. Can't really chalk that one up to Adonai torching him. It's a play I think Arnold has to make there.

You're still not going to push an agenda that he "torched" two "first round" CBs all night because that's simply inaccurate. He never torched McKinstry and he might not be a 1st rounder to begin with.

Pushing an agenda? Like what we say on this message board has weight in the decisions being made on draft day? I told you what I liked about AD Mitchell. Disagree? Fine. Want to talk about it to further understanding and get alternative perspectives? Great.

But to come out and say people have lazy and uninformed takes is you building a strawman to beat up when you could be contributing to the conversation in some productive way. I come here to watch some game videos and discuss with people to get excited about various prospects in the draft. Heaven forbid we have prospects we are excited about and want other people to check out so we can broaden our perspectives or maybe even learn something.

Couch-Potato 03-22-2024 11:11 PM

Curious what you guys think about T Higgens for pick #32 now that we have ~$30m in Cap Space?

Couch-Potato 03-22-2024 11:15 PM

Forget Higgins, Boyd is just as good and doesn't require a trade! Let's sign him!

kccrow 03-23-2024 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 17455022)
Pushing an agenda? Like what we say on this message board has weight in the decisions being made on draft day? I told you what I liked about AD Mitchell. Disagree? Fine. Want to talk about it to further understanding and get alternative perspectives? Great.

But to come out and say people have lazy and uninformed takes is you building a strawman to beat up when you could be contributing to the conversation in some productive way. I come here to watch some game videos and discuss with people to get excited about various prospects in the draft. Heaven forbid we have prospects we are excited about and want other people to check out so we can broaden our perspectives or maybe even learn something.

I've wasted my breath (or fingers) on talking about this kid in two threads about the same thing. My perspective on him is already out there.

It's not going to change. I've said I'd be fine enough with him at 32 if that's the way the Chiefs go but there are plenty of issues there that team has to coach. Those issues, in my opinion, are already out there.

The problem I have is everyone points to 3 plays in one game as what defines him as a player instead of looking at the whole. The whole is nowhere near as impressive and shows a lot of holes in his game. Meanwhile, other much more productive, and skilled players fall under a microscope.

There is an easy attraction to a WR with size, speed, and good hands, I get it, but we shouldn't ignore the flaws and I don't see much acknowledgment of those flaws by anyone strongly in his camp. Hell, I'd settle for someone pointing out something great from a game that isn't the Alabama game because I have yet to read it. I'm strongly in the Troy Franklin camp but I acknowledge that he is not overly quick at release, he has some drop issues at times, and he has a scary slender build.

After all that, I do personally apologize for being a dick. I've had a really bad ****ing day from a personal perspective. It's something I've been dealing with in life for several years now that a select few people are aware of. So, it's not you, really. I do enjoy discussing the viewpoints.


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