He's not in the same tier as Mitchell.

He is a better football player than Worthy.


So similar enough tier to Worthy.

I would place McConk high 2nd and Worthy as a mid 2nd to late 2nd.

Yeah, he played for Detroit but was GM for Minnesota. I had to Google the other guy... Matt Millen... now that guy is a ****ing doofus. Spielman did okay, I can respect his opinion.

I think a lot of positional variation gets thrown by the wayside though.

That's like saying any LT can play LT for a zone-passing team or a man-running team. Or that any ER can play 4-3 LDE, RDE, 3-4 OLB, or 3-4 5T. We just know that isn't how it works.

Andy Reid's offense is predicated on quickness and variability at the WR spot. You better be able to play at least 2 spots with regularity, especially when you get outside of the X. Even then, he moves guys a lot.

On top of all that, I'm just not impressed with Mitchell saying he ran a lot of routes at 80%. That's not a great thing to be telling future employers. It does confirm what you see on tape too, because he looks every bit of a 4.6 player on tape. The last thing I need to see out there is a guy half-assing it until he feels like it. And that, alone, disqualifies him as an Alpha.

I think you are just reading way too much into the guy.

If NFL teams agree with you he won't get drafted in the 1st.

I asked you to bet the under on 4.59 going off what I saw on tape. I said Worthy would run at least a 4.29. I don't think that's "reading" into anything. I said immediately after he ran 4.34 that I had more questions than I had before and then he outright confirmed he was half-assing it a lot so he could last the entire game. So now you want him to go into an Andy Reid offense that runs these guys all over the place. That scares me a little.

I don't know, maybe you are reading into it too much?

My belief is he was saying he was focused on getting open, not just running fast down the field. Not "half-assing it".

As to Reid's offense, someone has to line up outside. He can do that and he can line up in the slot too.

No big deal.

Maybe you should be more concerned about Worthy outside against NFL corners rather than if Adonai could get open from the slot.

Why would I worry about Worthy on the outside? He was the focal point of college defenses and constantly drew their #1 CB.

NFL corners different than college.


It's certainly a bigger question if Worthy can escape top end press than if Adonai could get open from the slot position.

So, you have no concern about your boy struggling to produce against the lesser college CB most weeks? I do.

You’re way too driven by college production.

Parris Campbell was the focal at Ohio State.

Did not make him an NFL focal.

You are using a terrible example if you want to make one. Injuries are the reason for Parris Campbell not being a great player.

He just wasn’t that good.

Overrated based on college role.

And he's also got your alpha traits, so there's that. 6'1" 205 with 4.31 speed. Could just as well end up being Mitchell.

He was never an alpha.

His teammate McLaurin was my guy.

I'm an Ohio State fan. Not anyone in their right mind would have thought McLaurin would have developed into anything more than a quality deep ball WR/#2. The fact that he developed into a top-shelf #2, low-end #1, much like Godwin in Tampa Bay, is much to do with his work ethic and the right fit.

I screamed for Stefon Diggs, but that doesn't make me the end-all-be-all expert on WRs either.

It takes a good bit of luck with WRs sometimes. I've become a bit of the opinion that intelligence matters a bit more at WR than it's given credit because I've seen far too many top-shelf athletes burn at the position. That is hard to gauge for us. I can gauge 1k yards receiving and a reasonable drop % and get part of the way there but even that isn't full-proof. Quentin Johnston, so far, case in point.

Mirror-mirror on the wall,
who's the most alpha of them all?