Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16895914)

I got that. But some guys simply don't have NFL talent. CEH looked good in college, better than just good, apparently had the skillsets, but it didn't translate to the NFL, and it wasn't about his work ethic or football IQ.
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Originally Posted by Womble (Post 16927594)

Mecole and JuJu gone. No free veteran free agent WRs signed. One WR drafted. We've got a spot open and I won't be surprised if Justyn Ross makes his first catch in our season opener.

Originally Posted by booger (Post 16927680)

If they don’t have a FB on the 53 it opens up a spot for a 4th TE or possibly 7th WR.

And keep a FB or FB/TE hybrid on the ps ready to call up.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16927685)

They should just use Gray for that stuff, honestly. With a young WR corps it makes more sense to keep that open spot for them.

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16927689)

Agreed. I'm more inclined to think we will dump Watson for Ross (if the merit is there) but I could see them only carrying 3 TE and 7 WR.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16927685)

They should just use Gray for that stuff, honestly. With a young WR corps it makes more sense to keep that open spot for them.

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16965454)

Who is covering him?

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16965430)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We heard Chiefs Kingdom might be interested in this… <a href="https://t.co/dnLTK8NsHZ">pic.twitter.com/dnLTK8NsHZ</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/1664030241730248705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16927691)

Watson's a pretty useful security blanket, I don't know. He has the size and speed and experience in the offense to literally fill in for anyone, anywhere, and also plays Teams.

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16965989)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“Justyn is coming along. He feels good, his foot feels good (and) the surgery that he had worked out well up to this point. He’s made some nice plays for us out here. I know Pat’s (Mahomes) got trust in him, so that’s good to see.” - Andy Reid. <a href="https://t.co/GEwuwOWWf0">https://t.co/GEwuwOWWf0</a></p>&mdash; James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/status/1664276019652751363?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 1, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Justyn Ross is making this team.

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16965558)

As a gunner. Big Ross and Little Ross and James actually have KR/PR experience…

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 16965999)

2023s Sippio

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16966001)

So people will be all shocked when Justin Watson is gone then?

Originally Posted by Skyy God (Post 16966048)

Watson is your WR5, Ross 6.

Originally Posted by Skyy God (Post 16966048)

Watson is your WR5, Ross 6.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16966061)

So you think Richie James is getting cut, the guy who is far and away the best punt returner on the team?

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 16966085)

Yeah, I really don't see a productive Chiefs World where James & Watson are on the same roster.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16965430)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We heard Chiefs Kingdom might be interested in this… <a href="https://t.co/dnLTK8NsHZ">pic.twitter.com/dnLTK8NsHZ</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/1664030241730248705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16966128)

There's nothing Watson does that James isn't better at.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16966061)

So you think Richie James is getting cut, the guy who is far and away the best punt returner on the team?

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16966137)

Rotoworld getting in on the Ross hype. It's official: Ross is the '23 OTA/Camp darling.

Originally Posted by Reroka (Post 16966154)

I think he makes the team and has a breakout year.
The dude is damn good or was in college before he got hurt.

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16966168)

He was a top 15 pick before injuries

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 16966085)

Yeah, I really don't see a productive Chiefs World where James & Watson are on the same roster.

Originally Posted by Shields68 (Post 16966212)

One of them probably be inactive every week. James is most likely the punt returner. I doubt they want to put Tooney back there much next season. Not sure what Watson brings if Ross is the better Wr. Being the 7th Wr and not really bringing a lot to the table for special teams ....

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16966247)

Watson can return kicks. Ross can't. Watson has vertical speed. Ross doesn't.

These are different kinda guys here, and Watson brings more as a WR6 than Ross does, theoretically.

Ross is really going to have to be special.

And i can't imagine the Chiefs carrying 7 WRs.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16966137)

Rotoworld getting in on the Ross hype. It's official: Ross is the '23 OTA/Camp darling.

Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 16966266)

Richie James caught 57 balls (tied for team lead on a decent offense) on 70 targets from a crappy QB last season. He's not going anywhere.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16966137)

Rotoworld getting in on the Ross hype. It's official: Ross is the '23 OTA/Camp darling.

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16966657)

Honestly, the seemingly legit hype for Ross, the progression of Moore, and Pat's love of just about everything about Rice is why Hopkins probably won't happen.

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16966690)

We don't have anyone else like him on the roster.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16966698)

Rice.

They're kinda duking it out for the same job.

But if everything Ross stans believe to be true actually manifests, and everything breaks our way with him and he becomes something GREATER than he was 4-5 years ago, you'd imagine his ceiling being DeAndre Hopkins.

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16966719)

Rashee Rice is the one who compares to Hopkins

Ross is nearly three inches taller and weighs less, they aren't the same

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16966728)

Are you saying Ross doesn't have speed?

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16966728)

He just smoked Nazeeh Johnson who ran a 4.3

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16966705)

That wasn't me saying that



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> WR coach Connor Embree on Justyn Ross: &quot;I&#39;m excited for him to see him out on the field and see what he can do. He&#39;s another different body, we don&#39;t have anybody like him.&quot;</p>&mdash; Charles Goldman (@goldmctNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/goldmctNFL/status/1664341230027968513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 1, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16966743)

Yes



W/o the context of the play and knowing what actually happened, it's hard to put any stock in an OTA catch.

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16966172)

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16966128)

I think James makes it over Watson and fairly easily at that.

There's nothing Watson does that James isn't better at.

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 16966805)

I mean... Be bigger? 6'2/215 va 5'9/185.

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16966765)

I'm just trying to understand, do you mean he doesn't have any speed NOW or like, ever?

Because he was out there outrunning Alabama defensive backs all over the place before he was injured

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16311398)

Well, lets watch and lets talk about it.

And i'll preface this by saying:

1. College stats don't matter to me. Meaningless. I don't even look at them. I couldn't tell you what the stats are for our picks this year. I couldn't even get in the ball park. Context of the stats matter way way more.

2. I'm not saying the guy can't be Keenan Allen. Not saying that at all. I'm never going to bet against a WR who's paired with Reid and Mahomes.

With that said, i WILL show you why i'm skeptical.

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:16 seconds: WR Screen. Obviously not his game and unlikely he’ll be asked to do much of this at the pro level. But you can see how slowly he moves through this. No sudden burst. No real speed exhibited there. The Furman defense simply gave up on the play and looked terrible. Terrible level of competition. The only thing I took from this play is that he’s not particularly sudden. He doesn’t “shoot out of a canon” with the ball in his hands.

:32 Seconds: Wide open blown coverage. Both DB’s take horrible angles and whiff on the tackle. It wasn’t so much what Ross did here, it’s more what Georgia Southern DIDN’T do. Nothing I can take from this play.

:55 Seconds: Another blown coverage. He outruns the GA Tech safety, whoever that is. That’s nice. But nothing I can really take from that play.

1:04: Another blown zone coverage. The defense just let him by and it was nothing but grass. He outran the Wake Forest safety, whoever that is. That’s nice. But nothing I can really take from that play.

1:14: He get open over the middle and fails to out run the DB. I’d expect an elite WR to house this play. There was nothing but green grass in front of him. Not only could he not out run the FL St corner, they actually caught him from behind.

1:24: Separated at the top of his route in single coverage. Slight push off, but they never call that shit. Adjusted to the ball in the air well. Good NFL level play.

1:32: Beat his man who attempted to press him. He played through the press, the Duke DB got caught peeking into the backfield. Ankle tackled by the safety. Would like to see him turn that into 6 there. Nice play regardless.

1:47: Slight push off at the top the route. Again, w/e. They never call that shit. Nice adjustment to the ball on that “back shoulder throw” (really just a poor throw by the QB). Nice play.

2:03: Flea Flicker. Blown coverage. Despite the DB getting beat badly by the play design, he was still able to recover and tackle Ross. Again, with a blow that bad, you’d like to see Ross get into the endzone on that.

2:15: 1v1 down the sideline. Failed to separate. Nice catch. Played through the physicality of the DB. That’s an NFL level play.

2:34: Looks like he beat a Linebacker. Didn’t really separate well against the LB. This play was more product of design than anything Ross did. Which is becoming a theme here.

2:47: Blown coverage. DB fell down. Safety takes a bad angle and stumbles. #21 and #2 still almost run him down.

3:05: Amazing catch. He beats the attempted press coverage with a nice move inside. Some hand fighting in there. Again, can’t separate too well. NFL level play regardless.

3:23: Probably the greatest catch of his collegiate career.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16311413)

That's a whole lot of stats that were amassed off of blown coverages, good play design and poor level of competition. Not a whole lot of plays in that video where you can say that Ross CREATED that play. That he MADE that happen.

Consistent themes:

1. Benefitted largely from blown coverages and inferior competition. That happens when you're Clemson.

2. Almost never created separation on his own.

3. Inferior DB's were seemingly running right there with him, or were able to close on him.

4. Video demonstrated almost nothing in terms of actual route running. Everything was a slant or a go route of some sort.

Positives:

1. Dude is large and plays large.

2. Excellent hands

3. Shows the ability to go up and fight for the ball.

4. Has some physicallity to his game.

*******

Look, im not DOWN on him, but i certainly have some questions, because his college stuff didn't show many NFL caliber plays, stats be damned. I'm in the, "I'll believe it when i see it" camp.

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16966811)

I really don't get why anyone is getting all hyped for him at all. This isn't the dark ages where we can only find joy in football by looking for those diamond in the rough players and hoping that one breaks out to help end our suffering. We have Patrick Mahomes. I couldn't care less about Justyn Ross magically becoming healthy and not only returning to the guy he was his Freshmen year, but somehow being better than he was back then. He's had significant injuries and can't stay on the field. How's he magically gonna be better when he's only played in 10 games since the end of 2019. He also didn't improve over his college career, so why would I think he's gonna just magically be good against wayyyyyyy better competition?

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16966765)

I'm just trying to understand, do you mean he doesn't have any speed NOW or like, ever?

Because he was out there outrunning Alabama defensive backs all over the place before he was injured

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16966815)

Because context matters a lot?

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16966375)

I think it was a bad idea to re-sign Watson.

Here's what I'd like to see:

Hopkins
Toney
Justyn Ross
Rice
MVS
Moore
James

Could be the best and deepest WR corps in the league.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16966131)

It's official.

Nazeeh Johnson blows goats.

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16966375)

I think it was a bad idea to re-sign Watson.

Here's what I'd like to see:

Hopkins
Toney
Justyn Ross
Rice
MVS
Moore
James

Could be the best and deepest WR corps in the league.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16966802)

This is Tee Higgins.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16966061)

So you think Richie James is getting cut, the guy who is far and away the best punt returner on the team?

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16966817)

He ran a 4.87 40 the summer after his senior yr of HS. He then ran a 4.63 40 at Clemson's pro day. So, no speed isn't something he really ever had.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16967467)

I don't think it's doom and gloom to say it's unlikely that an UDFA does much in the league until proven otherwise.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16966247)

Watson can return kicks. Ross can't. Watson has vertical speed. Ross doesn't.

These are different kinda guys here, and Watson brings more as a WR6 than Ross does, theoretically.

Ross is really going to have to be special.

And i can't imagine the Chiefs carrying 7 WRs.