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MahomesMagic 03-03-2024 12:20 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is wild to see Adonai Mitchell compared to guys like Julio Jones running the 40-yard dash. <a href="https://t.co/hsQQT05tDd">pic.twitter.com/hsQQT05tDd</a></p>&mdash; Hook&#39;em Headlines (@HookemHeadlines) <a href="https://twitter.com/HookemHeadlines/status/1764031254939246640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I wish I wasn't so slowwwwwwww...



:D

ChiefsFanatic 03-04-2024 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 17426046)
Yeah pre combine I had it as Franklin, Mitchell, Worthy , with Mitchell closing the gap. I figured if the 40s were similar I MIGHT prefer Mitchell because his route running is a step above for savvy. Now I'm fully onboard for Mitchell. Probably, marginally, I'd go for Worthy over Franklin now.

Mitchell is a really good route runner, who happens to be huge and very fast. If BTJ or Mitchell are anywhere close to us on draft day, I hope we make a move for one of them. Maybe Mahomes will throw to Mitchell in the off-season, since he went to Texas and may be around there, and like Rice, he will give Veach his seal of approval.

ToxSocks 03-04-2024 10:23 AM

I wanna be impressed, but he just does not play that fast on the field. He just doesn't.

duncan_idaho 03-04-2024 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17426377)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is wild to see Adonai Mitchell compared to guys like Julio Jones running the 40-yard dash. <a href="https://t.co/hsQQT05tDd">pic.twitter.com/hsQQT05tDd</a></p>&mdash; Hook&#39;em Headlines (@HookemHeadlines) <a href="https://twitter.com/HookemHeadlines/status/1764031254939246640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I wish I wasn't so slowwwwwwww...



:D

I like Mitchell, and have liked him (I think he was my first pick in the first offseason exercise I ran, or maybe in the second). I don't like him as much as you.

But still... I don't think 4.35 shows up very often on the field. The long TD down the middle against Texas where he has to track the ball over a shoulder is the only one highlight that really shows off that type of speed.

Better to have it in the tank than not have it, of course. And I know he did the interview where he talked about running routes at 80 percent or whatever to stay fresh all game. But I do think he'll have to give closer to max effort on all his routes in the NFL to be effective at that level.

ToxSocks 03-04-2024 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17427182)
I like Mitchell, and have liked him (I think he was my first pick in the first offseason exercise I ran, or maybe in the second). I don't like him as much as you.

But still... I don't think 4.35 shows up very often on the field. The long TD down the middle against Texas where he has to track the ball over a shoulder is the only one highlight that really shows off that type of speed.

Better to have it in the tank than not have it, of course. And I know he did the interview where he talked about running routes at 80 percent or whatever to stay fresh all game. But I do think he'll have to give closer to max effort on all his routes in the NFL to be effective at that level.

If there's one thing Reid and Mahomes love, it's a WR who doesn't like to run.

MahomesMagic 03-04-2024 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ModSocks (Post 17427190)
If there's one thing Reid and Mahomes love, it's a WR who doesn't like to run.

Mitchell not going full speed still more impactful than Mecole, Skyy Moore or MVS running fast and doing jack.

Same with frail Franklin that doesn’t accelerate well or CPs tiny tot gadget Worthy.

Sorry, I want a real WR, not some gimmick.

MahomesMagic 03-04-2024 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17427182)
I like Mitchell, and have liked him (I think he was my first pick in the first offseason exercise I ran, or maybe in the second). I don't like him as much as you.

But still... I don't think 4.35 shows up very often on the field. The long TD down the middle against Texas where he has to track the ball over a shoulder is the only one highlight that really shows off that type of speed.

Better to have it in the tank than not have it, of course. And I know he did the interview where he talked about running routes at 80 percent or whatever to stay fresh all game. But I do think he'll have to give closer to max effort on all his routes in the NFL to be effective at that level.

I realize Brett Kollman is an entertainer but he made a solid point on Adonai.

He’s so smooth that he does not look fast. Whereas a Franklin is taking all these fast steps that go nowhere.

JPH83 03-04-2024 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17427182)
I like Mitchell, and have liked him (I think he was my first pick in the first offseason exercise I ran, or maybe in the second). I don't like him as much as you.

But still... I don't think 4.35 shows up very often on the field. The long TD down the middle against Texas where he has to track the ball over a shoulder is the only one highlight that really shows off that type of speed.

Better to have it in the tank than not have it, of course. And I know he did the interview where he talked about running routes at 80 percent or whatever to stay fresh all game. But I do think he'll have to give closer to max effort on all his routes in the NFL to be effective at that level.

I sort of agree but also re MahomesMagic's point on smoothness. He also seems to really vary his speeds to lull DBs, to be honest it's one of the things I liked about him. The variation in releases, speeds...it feels deliberate. He isn't going 4.35 most routes and it's by design, but there's also flashes in routes where he absolutely looks that quick to me, it's just in 10 yard bursts not 40. Just my 2 cents.

kcbubb 03-04-2024 02:19 PM

Mitchell and worthy are both gone before we pick and we aren’t trading up for a wr. I just don’t see us investing that much in a wr. If one fell to 32, maybe, but the more reasonable targets are after BTJ, Mitchell and worthy. They are all gone by 32.

MahomesMagic 03-04-2024 07:20 PM

Rick Spielman, former NFL GM, said he would pick Adonai over little Worthy for the Chiefs if both were on the board for Kansas City.



He also mentions that Ladd McConkey weighs more and was a better football player than Worthy.

kccrow 03-04-2024 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17428064)
Rick Spielman, former NFL GM, said he would pick Adonai over little Worthy for the Chiefs if both were on the board for Kansas City.



He also mentions that Ladd McConkey weighs more and was a better football player than Worthy.

That's a good reason to do it in reverse. Spielman was a terrible NFL GM. I could do better from my couch, literally.

MahomesMagic 03-04-2024 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17428183)
That's a good reason to do it in reverse. Spielman was a terrible NFL GM. I could do better from my couch, literally.

LMAO


Even if what you said was true, irrelevant. Spielman way more connected with NFL scouts than the analytics guys on Twitter.

kccrow 03-04-2024 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17428185)
LMAO


Even if what you said was true, irrelevant. Spielman way more connected with NFL scouts than the analytics guys on Twitter.

I was thinking of the guy that was GM for the Lions that took WRs like 3 1sts in a row... Wrong guy

MahomesMagic 03-04-2024 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17428190)
I was thinking of the guy that was GM for the Lions that took WRs like 3 1sts in a row... Wrong guy

I am not going to Google but my recollection was Spielman did well for a while then eventually had a few bad drafts and was gone.

But he was successful for many years.

kccrow 03-04-2024 09:21 PM

Either way, I don't know how anyone can conclude that Ladd McConkey is in the same tier as Worthy or Mitchell. He's in that next tier but the drop is substantial.


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