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htismaqe 01-26-2021 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by el borracho (Post 15512861)
What happened to the logic of drafting BPA in the 1st? The Chiefs are already set at the superstar positions that guarantee 10-12 wins per season minimum. No need to fixate on a specific position at 32- just select the best player with some small consideration given to position (no K, nor P).

BPA has to take into account value.

Drafting a guard or LB at 32 when there's an equivalent DE or WR available is just throwing away draft capital.

The NFL is all about matchups. Playmakers create favorable matchups.

Priority should always be on playmakers first.

Megatron96 01-26-2021 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15513128)
BPA has to take into account value.

Drafting a guard or LB at 32 when there's an equivalent DE or WR available is just throwing away draft capital.

The NFL is all about matchups. Playmakers create favorable matchups.

Priority should always be on playmakers first.

The two mocks I've seen (one was by Kiper, i think) show KC taking either a WR or a DE at 32. I would actually be kind of interested to see what Kohlmann thinks.

htismaqe 01-26-2021 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15513051)
anyway, back to the OP-

In Veach I trust.

But I will say this- the idea of taking an OT at #32 somehow being a 'reach' isn't true I don't think. Unless all the mocks are wrong, there are some quality OT's that should be available in that range. So taking one wouldn't be a "reach".

Also, we've seen Veach "reach" according to experts before, and be right.

So you know. In Veach I trust.

Carry on.

Taking an OT that is already on their board and is slotted at 32 is not a reach.

Taking an OT that wasn't on their board and/or is slotted way later than 32 is.

That's the point - not that taking an OT is an automatic reach but that they shouldn't let the Fisher injury change their draft strategy.

mkp785 01-27-2021 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 15513126)
May have. Don't recall now. But the "basketball" thing seems to ring a bell. But adding 15 lbs of muscle to him won't hurt his agility, I think. Just put a little more sand in his ass.

Here's a couple. Not saying that he's gonna turn out to be as good as these guys let on but still. Good gamble by Bart.

https://walterfootball.com/scoutingr...20pwanogho.php

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/p...gho/o8dyTWpVhT

T-post Tom 01-27-2021 12:58 AM

My at-this-point-useless prediction: Chiefs go LB. At # 32, they hope to have a shot at guys like Zaven Collins, Joe Ossai (may not fit), Dylan Moses & Pete Werner. JMHO

DaneMcCloud 01-27-2021 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 15513272)
My at-this-point-useless prediction: Chiefs go LB. At # 32, they hope to have a shot at guys like Zaven Collins, Joe Ossai (may not fit), Dylan Moses & Pete Werner. JMHO

The Chiefs are in a 5-2 most of the time and they have Gay and Hitchens next year as their starters.

Megatron96 01-27-2021 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mkp785 (Post 15513262)
Here's a couple. Not saying that he's gonna turn out to be as good as these guys let on but still. Good gamble by Bart.

https://walterfootball.com/scoutingr...20pwanogho.php

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/p...gho/o8dyTWpVhT

Meh. We’re just blue skying at this point. The reality is there’s a better than even chance that this guy isn’t even on the team by the time camp starts. Or that he never makes it past the practice squad. It’s just something to talk about until the Super Bowl.

T-post Tom 01-27-2021 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15513279)
The Chiefs are in a 5-2 most of the time and they have Gay and Hitchens next year as their starters.

That does not preclude them from drafting a linebacker with the 32nd pick. Lots of other factors / potential changes with a lower cap coming. (Ex. Sorenson might not return next year. Cutting Hitchens after next season will result in an $8,500,000 cap savings.) Pretty much everything right now is pure speculation anyway.

htismaqe 01-27-2021 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 15513308)
That does not preclude them from drafting a linebacker with the 32nd pick. Lots of other factors / potential changes with a lower cap coming. (Ex. Sorenson might not return next year. Cutting Hitchens after next season will result in an $8,500,000 cap savings.) Pretty much everything right now is pure speculation anyway.

It absolutely SHOULD.

Drafting a LB in the 1st round is terrible value. Even if they needed LB's, it's terrible value.

LB is one of the least valuable positions on the field.

O.city 01-27-2021 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15513329)
It absolutely SHOULD.

Drafting a LB in the 1st round is terrible value. Even if they needed LB's, it's terrible value.

LB is one of the least valuable positions on the field.

Wouldn't you say drafting a RB in the first is poor value as well?

OKchiefs 01-27-2021 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15513135)
Taking an OT that is already on their board and is slotted at 32 is not a reach.

Taking an OT that wasn't on their board and/or is slotted way later than 32 is.

That's the point - not that taking an OT is an automatic reach but that they shouldn't let the Fisher injury change their draft strategy.

While I don't think you have to push it to the top of the draft board, I also don't think you can just say it won't change their strategy at all. It clearly will. Tackle depth was already precariously thin on the roster before Fisher went down, now even more so. If they're able to reach an injury settlement with Fisher and then find someone in FA to compete at LT, then that changes things, so we'll just have to wait and see what happens in FA prior to the draft.

DaneMcCloud 01-27-2021 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15513440)
Wouldn't you say drafting a RB in the first is poor value as well?

No, especially considering that a 1st round running back is going to see far more snaps than a linebacker in a 5-2.

For example, the Patriots had a 1st round RB when they won the Super Bowl against the Rams in Sony Michel. The Rams had a 1st round running back in Gurley in the 2018 Super Bowl and on and on and on.

Just because some teams might be able to find a running back later in the draft doesn't mean that those teams are going to win a Super Bowl.

There's not a chance in hell that the Chiefs are in the Super Bowl this year with Darrel Williams, DeAndre Washington and Darwin Award Thompson.

htismaqe 01-27-2021 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15513440)
Wouldn't you say drafting a RB in the first is poor value as well?

Yeah, I would. Leading up to the draft, I would not have drafted CEH.

That being said, I'm far beyond criticizing the stuff that they do so if they decide to take an OL at #32, you won't hear me bitch about it.

htismaqe 01-27-2021 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 15513576)
While I don't think you have to push it to the top of the draft board, I also don't think you can just say it won't change their strategy at all. It clearly will. Tackle depth was already precariously thin on the roster before Fisher went down, now even more so. If they're able to reach an injury settlement with Fisher and then find someone in FA to compete at LT, then that changes things, so we'll just have to wait and see what happens in FA prior to the draft.

I'm not saying it will or won't. I'm saying it SHOULDN'T.

O.city 01-27-2021 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15513694)
No, especially considering that a 1st round running back is going to see far more snaps than a linebacker in a 5-2.

For example, the Patriots had a 1st round RB when they won the Super Bowl against the Rams in Sony Michel. The Rams had a 1st round running back in Gurley in the 2018 Super Bowl and on and on and on.

Just because some teams might be able to find a running back later in the draft doesn't mean that those teams are going to win a Super Bowl.

There's not a chance in hell that the Chiefs are in the Super Bowl this year with Darrel Williams, DeAndre Washington and Darwin Award Thompson.

It's not just some teams, it's most if not all teams. The Chiefs won a SB with an UDFA RB leading the way last year.

The Rams with Gurley couldn't get rid of him fast enough when he started breaking down.

The difference between a good and great running back is so small, it's not worth the investment.


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