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staylor26 05-07-2021 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15665350)
You defend every move the team makes.

Dude no offense but if Adolph Hitler was still alive and hired as a Chief consultant you’d be defending him saying he really wasn’t that bad LMAO

There’s your “go to”. Now I’m just a homer.

This team often does what I want/expect them to do.

When they’re taking 3 guys that I had on my list of 1st round targets (thread) early in the process without even having a 1st round pick, of course I’m going to love our draft.

There’s proof all over this section that I was high on Bolton, Humphrey, Powell, Kaindoh, and Smith long before they became Chiefs.

Hell, you even asked me before day 3 who I wanted at edge rusher, and Kaindoh was literally one of the guys I mentioned. So it’s very disingenuous of you to pretend that I’m just being a homer.

I loved Travis Kelce, Chris Jones, Patrick Mahomes, Willie Gay, Mecole Hardman, Juan Thornhill, L’Jarius Sneed, Clyde Edwards-Helaire etc. all before the Chiefs drafted them. I have receipts as well.

It’s not my fault that me and the Chiefs/Veach see eye to eye on prospects often.

I wasn’t a huge fan of the Speaks pick or the 2018 draft as a whole, so it’s not like I just go along with whatever they do. Don’t let the facts get in the way of your narrative though!

staylor26 05-07-2021 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15656662)
Elerson Smith or one of the FSU/ND guys.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15429178)
I don’t expect them to take a LB in the 1st either, but it’s still possible considering it’s still one of our biggest needs for the future.

Collins or Bolton just might be BPA.

The Chiefs, under Reid, have a history of drafting for future departures the following year. Remember, even CEH wasn’t supposed to be the starter this year. Replacing Hitchens is a lot on the mental side, so it’s possible that they could want to get ahead of it and draft their guy a year early. That way when Hitchens is gone, you have 2 good young LB’s. You could also play Gay and the rookie a lot more in subs so we don’t have to see Niemann on the field anymore and avoid Hitchens in coverage as much as possible.

Again, I agree that it’s unlikely, but it’s absolutely possible.

But I’m clearly just a homer defending the Bolton/Kaindoh picks because I’ll defend every move they make!

htismaqe 05-07-2021 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15665297)
I wasn't thrilled with the pick because I would have preferred a CB, S or WR but it's not as if LB wasn't a need. I mean, the Chiefs haven't had a dynamic linebacking corp since when, the 60's?

The combination of Gay, Hitchens and Bolton this season will ensure that a good linebacker is on the field on every down. Bolton's addition will be critical in limiting the ground attack of the opponent and if the Chiefs can get an additional stop or two on 3rd down in each game, it's going to take quite a bit of pressure off of Mahomes and the offense, so they won't feel as if they need to score 45 every game in order to win.

Exactly.

Bowser 05-10-2021 12:02 PM

It feels like the Chiefs didn't expect either Bolton OR Humphrey to be available when they were.

htismaqe 05-10-2021 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 15668073)
It feels like the Chiefs didn't expect either Bolton OR Humphrey to be available when they were.

I didn't.

I expected Bolton to go in the 30's and I thought Humphrey was a fringe first rounder as well. And that was based on all the scouting reports, which had both of them slotted around 35.

staylor26 05-10-2021 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15668082)
I didn't.

I expected Bolton to go in the 30's and I thought Humphrey was a fringe first rounder as well. And that was based on all the scouting reports, which had both of them slotted around 35.

Same here.

Didn’t even include either one in my list of 15 most likely picks at 58 and 63, because they were both in my top 40. I didn’t even realize Bolton was still on the board until we picked him.

RunKC 05-10-2021 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15668082)
I didn't.

I expected Bolton to go in the 30's and I thought Humphrey was a fringe first rounder as well. And that was based on all the scouting reports, which had both of them slotted around 35.

Humphrey fell due to an amazingly talented OL class. 9 OL were taken in the 2nd rd ahead of him. They just pushed him down the board and the value was amazing.

In a normal year he’s a top 50 pick

htismaqe 05-10-2021 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15668257)
Humphrey fell due to an amazingly talented OL class. 9 OL were taken in the 2nd rd ahead of him. They just pushed him down the board and the value was amazing.

In a normal year he’s a top 50 pick

Several of the guys taken ahead of him aren't nearly the prospect he is. The Chiefs were fortunate to get that kind of value at the end of the 2nd.

And to think, the whole thing was probably set in motion when the Raiders took Alex Leatherwood at 17. ROFL

Bowser 05-10-2021 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15668266)
Several of the guys taken ahead of him aren't nearly the prospect he is. The Chiefs were fortunate to get that kind of value at the end of the 2nd.

And to think, the whole thing was probably set in motion when the Raiders took Alex Leatherwood at 17. ROFL

Raiders gonna Raider, lol. Shouldn't have pissed off Hudson, tbh.

I have zero real insight, but I feel we would have gone receiver-corner with our 2nd's if those two weren't there. Just entirely too much value to let pass by with both guys at those spots. I mean, we just signed a center a couple of weeks before the draft.....

tyecopeland 05-10-2021 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15665209)
ROFL

Absolutely not.

He was a CONSENSUS low 30's pick. Who as BPA if he wasn't?

They addressed a need with a VALUE pick, it really can't be argued unless you're just making shit up to be upset about.

Based on my limited following during that point in the draft, I would say basham and creed were listed above bolton as bpa as far as what the analysts thought. And possibly marshall. But that was probably about it.

Pasta Little Brioni 05-10-2021 08:54 PM

Good. We don't give a **** what you think.

MahomesMagic 05-10-2021 09:05 PM

OK, Bolton trash talking the Bucs already.

I like him now!

staylor26 05-10-2021 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15668693)
OK, Bolton trash talking the Bucs already.

I like him now!

Huh? Link?

MahomesMagic 05-10-2021 09:17 PM

Sorry, that was a Nick Bolton fan..not him. Hopefully he feels that way though!

Willie Lanier 05-11-2021 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15664170)
Humphrey is an outstanding athlete. That’s what gives him a high ceiling.

Bolton has a high floor. I think he can be productive, but not one of the best LB’s in the league

So, I just want to make sure I'm understanding your logic, a late second round pick should equate to one of the best at their position in every draft?

You must be quite the draft guru...

I'm amazed Veach hasn't reached out for your input


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