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kjwood75nro 08-28-2018 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 13695605)
Of course she knows it. There was a tape of Jimmy confessing to it which she heard in court. She never gave much of a damn because she is the one that put in the work to get the account & Howard went out of his way several times to screw her over on that deal. Remember, she put in the work getting mesa verde at a time when Hamlin was punishing her for Jimmy's nursing home commercial incident (which she didn't even know about) by putting her in the basement doing billing. She went out and hustled up that Mesa Verde account all by herself, then Hamlin rewarded her by keeping her in the basement doing billing, not even letting her work the case. Next, she decided to quit Hamlin & start her own practice, the first client she called was Mesa Verde and met with Paige. Paige sounded enthusiastic about working with her, but then Chuck scheduled a meeting with them (mesa verde) and convinced them to stay with Hamlin. Only then did Jimmy execute the "switching addresses" incident. At this point Kim had been screwed over 3 times as it pertains to HHM & Mesa Verde. I don't think she feels much guilt at all over that deal with mesa verde.

I think she probably feels bad about having to expose Chuck in court the way they did and she knows that is what led to his demise, and is torn between that and Chucks hatred of Jimmy and how badly it affected Jimmy. So a situation like the letter from Chuck creates a big time emotional conflict for her. It would have been easier had the letter painted Chuck as the asshole towards Jimmy that she knew.

Your post is a great example of why this series needs to be watched all at once, again, once it ends.

So many plot points get missed or forgotten over time.

Mr. Plow 08-29-2018 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 13695359)
She knows Chuck alleged it. But she also knows how outlandish an allegation it is, and how Chuck went loony and passed out at the Kinkos trying bully the kid at the counter to prove it.

I don't think we've had a scene to firmly establish Kim's suspicions either way. She could think it's possible, but she probably thinks it's crazy.

I was inline with your thinking until I came back across the episode last night. Now, I believe even before hearing the tape she knew, or strongly believed, that Jimmy did actually do everything that Chuck alleged.

After Chuck accused Jimmy of changing the address, her and Jimmy were laying in bed together. She told him basically that Chuck was a shark and if he tasted one tiny bit of blood he would never stop - basically saying if Jimmy left one tiny bit of evidence, Chuck would find it and never stop until he proved it. That was the point that Jimmy grabbed his keys & headed over to the all night copy place.

To me, she assumed Jimmy had done it and told him to clean it up so that there was no evidence of it.

Baby Lee 08-29-2018 11:32 PM

Next week's ep gets a CP approved 'Hoo Boy'

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hoo-boy, next week&#39;s Better Call Saul is a humdinger.</p>&mdash; Alan Sepinwall (@sepinwall) <a href="https://twitter.com/sepinwall/status/1034820048232296448?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2018</a></blockquote>
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notorious 08-31-2018 08:51 AM

The Kim story could go anywhere. Hell, Saul and her might still be together when he goes on the run.

Probably not, but it’s possible.

jimidollar 09-03-2018 07:33 PM

Loved the opening scene tonight. Great episode so far.

Buehler445 09-03-2018 10:22 PM

Holy shit. Maybe it is the mood I was in but that shit was ****ing heavy.

Baby Lee 09-04-2018 01:30 AM

The audio and visuals coalesce nicely. The transactions occur from the POV of the trunk, and the soundtrack is Street Life I originally used in Jackie Brown. . . ;)

http://www.jamuura.com/blog/wp-conte...015/12/tn1.png

eDave 09-04-2018 01:09 PM

Wouldn't call that episode a "humdinger" by any means.

DJ's left nut 09-05-2018 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 13695359)
She knows Chuck alleged it. But she also knows how outlandish an allegation it is, and how Chuck went loony and passed out at the Kinkos trying bully the kid at the counter to prove it.

I don't think we've had a scene to firmly establish Kim's suspicions either way. She could think it's possible, but she probably thinks it's crazy.

That's why you and I view her emotions differently.

I think she knows he did it. I think as a trained lawyer, she'd know about mnemonics training and in the dark recesses of her soul, knows full well that Chuck was telling the truth and Jimmy changed those numbers.

That's why I say her response was guilt - I think she knows that these gains are ill-gotten, even if she wasn't directly responsible.

sedated 09-05-2018 10:18 AM

^^ It was pretty clear Kim knew that Jimmy had the ability skirt the law all the way back to when she refused to open the law firm with him as partners.

MahiMike 09-05-2018 12:51 PM

What's up w/Kim dissing Mesa Verde for some low life? I think they're starting the downfall of Kim. I could see her having a bad ending, leading to the ultimate reason Jimmy ends up working at Cinnabon.

Molitoth 09-05-2018 12:55 PM

My fav part of this show right now is the Nacho storyline.

sedated 09-05-2018 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 13709839)
What's up w/Kim dissing Mesa Verde for some low life? I think they're starting the downfall of Kim. I could see her having a bad ending, leading to the ultimate reason Jimmy ends up working at Cinnabon.

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Baby Lee 09-06-2018 06:48 AM

I think it needs to be said that BCS continues to explore the intricacies of morality in ways that other shows simply don't have the acumen to even try.

We've moved on from Jimmy-v-Chuck, where the conversation was 'is being moral is determining from the outset your are 'good' and following a strict set of rules from then on, or is it striving every day to do your best and improve on the past?'

Is moral what you are? Or what you strive towards?

Now, there is an interesting dynamic between Jimmy and Kim.
Both have have a safe, moral, lawful, etc. path.
Jimmy earn his daily wage at the cellular store until his licensure is restored
Kim earn her retainer being constantly available and prepared to meet her client's needs.

It seems on the surface that Jimmy is delving into something devious, dangerous and shady by going out after hours and marketing his wares for their less honorable capabilities. And this surface judgment is reinforced by the 'shady' people he interacts with, and the thugs who roll him for his profits when they spy a chance.

But what is he doing that is amoral? He's being proactive in advancing his employer's interests. He's connecting the [legal] product to people who would eventually think to seek it out themselves [recall, a big plot point in The Wire was the crew sending corner boys up and down the coast to buy burners 1 or 2 at a time at every random convenience store they came across].


He's serving his employer well, and being a good laborer by tapping into a legal need, even if the supposition is that it is a need that eventually fills nefarious purposes.

OTOH, Kim has a clear directive as counsel on retainer to Mesa Verde. They pay her handsomely and she pledges to devote her skills exclusively [or at least explicitly primarily] to their interests. But the same pain, wanderlust and ego drives her to ply her wares surreptitiously as pro bono counsel in the petty criminal courts.

Again, on the surface, her actions are altruistic and noble. But she, unlike Jimmy, is more explicitly undermining her employer's expectations.

I really enjoy how far and wide the show can make you just sit and ponder 'who exactly is in the wrong here? If anybody . . . '

Buehler445 09-06-2018 07:19 AM

Great post Baby Lee.


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