Uhh, it makes all the sense... :rolleyes:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UWB-pQbF0PA

Oh yes so you can pretend that thug Kadri didn't impact the series with what should have been a suspension level hit on binnington.

**** Denver

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If people don't know what I mean when I say hockey is a fickle bitch, look no further than games 5 and 6.

- MacKinnon single-handedly puts the team on his back with that hat trick goal after they had already blown the lead by being dominated and outworked for the last minutes of the 2nd and most of the 3rd.... the freakin' perfect ending on an absolutely beautiful goal. And they ****ing lose.

- After being annoyed watching most of game 6, feeling as if it was yet another Wild-like 2 shots to 1 effort that ends in a loss... dude who had practically played for the Red Wings since the teams last played in the WCF (okay, not quite) scores his first goal and gets his 2nd point of the playoffs with 5 seconds left on a completely "just get it on net" play.

I went to game 5 in Denver and don't regret it for a second. They were idiots and were chasing the Blues around for over a period... but, it's always a treat to watch MacKinnon and team live and up close, and once a game goes to OT you have to be resigned to the sudden death factor. And the win a couple nights later helped a lot as it didn't make game 5 the beginning of the end (not that they wouldn't have won a game 7, but it would have been really ****ing annoying).

Nothing beats Arrowhead (and 4x the number of fans) of course, but that arena was seriously rocking late in the 3rd. Wish I could see MacKinnon and McDavid live on the ice at the same time, but TV will do just fine.

It's crazy that the teams that remain were ranked #1 (Avs), #4 (Rangers), #5 (Oilers), and #5 (Lightning) after the regular season. I know that's kind of how it goes each year, but it just shows how hard it is to predict how things will go in the postseason.

We'll be there on Thursday. Glad our bet that they'd make it that far will pay off this year. :)

JFC. LMAO

Good pick, never know when a game 1 will be 2+ periods of "feeling each other out" and there's always a bit more urgency. Hope it's a slightly better outcome than my excursion!

There's gonna be some goals in this series.

Some crazy hockey so far.

P.S. I think that last goal was offsides...

Go Oilers

I'm kind of confused that it wasn't. I guess they're saying that Cale didn't have control, but I can't recall hearing that explanation before.

Yeah, that's the excuse at least. But I thought it was pretty clear and I've never heard the control excuse before either. I hope that's not the difference maker, because the whining would be incessant.

Holy goals.

Nice. Later, Smith.

Go Avs.

Both team's goalies pulled. And immediately an Oilers goal.

Crazy.

There will still be whining, but it's pretty cleary not the story at this point.

And shit, Kuemper is hurt...

Frankie's looking good in relief at least. We're gonna need him.

The DNVR guys think he was pulled by a concussion spotter. Hopefully it's minor.

Bananas.

Yeah, this is seriously nerve wracking. Like an all star game, but with actual hitting.

Man. Not sure if I can take a whole series of this. Either Frankie or Kuemper is gonna have to step up.

At least this is shaping up to be the series everyone thought it would be. It’s gonna come down to which goalie is less awful.

Oooof. Nice win, Avs. But man, I was seriously nervous. That just as easily could have been an embarrassing blown lead game.

Get well, Kuemper! This series could be nutso.

As I've read more about it, it's pretty clear to me that the offsides call was correct - it's just odd that so few fans knew how the rule works. Most of the time on offsides reviews, they're looking at the team entering the zone, and in that situation, the puck crossing pretty much instantly creates an offside situation since it's highly unlikely the team would then pull back across the blue line to tag up.

However, the rule really is that it doesn't become offsides until it's TOUCHED in the offensive zone. (That's why delayed offsides is a thing.) It doesn't matter if the puck is in a player's possession or not - if the puck isn't touched until after everyone team tags up, it's not offside. And yes, there are plenty of precedents out there for this.

You learn something new every day I suppose.

If Makar purposely held his stick up a fraction of a second too make it look like he is waiting to touch it once his teammates tags up , there is less confusion. It is hard to tell he if he was or it just a fluke /mid stickhandle situation by definition it wasn’t offside whether he meant to do it ir not.

I mean sure you can interpret the rule this way but it opens up pandora's box in regards to any future offside review in the future where they have to determine if the puck is actually touching the player's stick or if there is a any space between the stick and puck.

In my opinion the goal shouldn't have counted, if Makar had purposely lifted his stick mid air, looked at the player tagging up and then put his stick down and touched the puck then I have no issues with the call but he is clearly just hoping that the offside player touches up in time while bringing the puck in.

Sure, but how is that any different than trying to determine whether there's a millimeter of space between the blue line and the puck? (And in this case, there was clearly like 4" of space between Makar's stick and the puck, so it doesn't seem particularly ambiguous to me.) Your suggested rule would add a ton of grey area to the situation, which would make things dramatically worse IMO.

The big thing I think people are getting hung up on is that possession doesn't matter here. It's purely "Did Makar touch the puck over the blue line before Nichushkin tagged up?"

Can you remember another instance on an offside review where they are determining if the puck is actually touching the blade of the stick of the player carrying the puck? Every offside review I’ve seen is essentially if the puck is in before the player, if you go a step further with “conclusive evidence” and you enforce the rule of if the puck is actually making contact with the blade of the puck carrier, you turn offside reviews into even further of a mess.

Kind of a phony phrase but I just think the “spirit” of the rule that you are referring to shouldn’t apply to this instance. I think how that rule was written was specifically when a player makes an effort to show that he is purposely not touching the puck to buy a second for his teammate to tag up and become onside.

Essentially what you are saying is that all further offside reviews, we need the capability without any doubt to determine if that puck is on Makar’s stick or not.

NHL better invest in some more and better cameras if that’s the case.

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Can I personally remember seeing it before? No. But if you peruse discussions about it around the web, there are plenty. Here's an explainer about the rules (that's been around for a while).

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PSA: this one’s for the country that invented hockey lol <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoAvsGo?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoAvsGo</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FindAWay?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FindAWay</a> <a href="https://t.co/jmvsAX4oGO">pic.twitter.com/jmvsAX4oGO</a></p>&mdash; Adrian Hernandez (@AdoHernandez27) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdoHernandez27/status/1532035223768248320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 1, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

And examples of previous reviews:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">THIS WAS DEEMED ONSIDE. WHAT. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Blackhawks?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Blackhawks</a> <a href="https://t.co/8FCfAmFdN1">pic.twitter.com/8FCfAmFdN1</a></p>&mdash; Cristiano Simonetta (@CMS_74_) <a href="https://twitter.com/CMS_74_/status/843632063425253376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 20, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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They have them and used them.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From this angle, it’s the right call. <a href="https://t.co/h3whgUDKBO">pic.twitter.com/h3whgUDKBO</a></p>&mdash; Jesse Montano (@jessemontano_) <a href="https://twitter.com/jessemontano_/status/1531822127632027649?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 1, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Bruins replay above is a perfect example of how I think the rule should be applied. You can see that the player is purposely not touching the puck after it enters the offensive zone to buy another second for his teammate to tag up. The puck carrier returns to handling the puck when he thinks his teammate tagged up.

There is no intent from Makar when he enters the zone to stop his puck handling- he is just advancing the puck and is hoping the timing is correct. What you’re left with is that the officials have to determine if the puck is contacting his stick. I can’t tell from the photo above, can you?

You must understand by now the point I’m making, just tell me what you think.

I guess I just don't agree that we should have a rule that requires the refs to gauge the player's intent. To me, "Did he touch it?" is super clear. "Did he purposefully intend to not touch it?" would be a mess to evaluate.

Again, it's 100% clear that he didn't touch it if you look at the clip I posted. That's not really part of the debate.

From the second angle you posted I can’t determine when Nichuskin officially tags up- it’s a convoluted mess. I can see what you are inferring though that by absolute luck the puck isn’t touching Makar’s blade when he enters the zone.

In my opinion the “tag-up” offside and the “delayed” offside rules should be written the same. If a player is deemed to have possession when entering the zone- it’s offside. This would still allow players the ability to lift their stick for a second or two to wait for players to tag up if they wanted, but in this instance eliminates the play where it is pure fluke that the puck isn’t touching a players stick when he enters the zone.

Agree to disagree here and looking forward to game 2.

To be fair, the rules WERE exactly the same until a couple of years ago when they change it to ALLOW a player to enter "offsides" if they were the one who possessed the puck (e.g., if they're skating backwards). Prior to that, possession wasn't a part of the offsides rules at all. In other words, this situation has always been legal - it's the other type of offsides that has recently changed.

Googled Kuemper to see where that's at and here's a dandy of a headline... LMAO :facepalm:

Didn't even have to look to know that's a Denver Post article. :shake:

I can imagine the light bulb going on over their head.... why have we only been throwing one local franchise under the bus in a single article? What if we cross-clickbait to capture some Broncos readers, too?!

Funny how Gretzky of all people was angry about the defense and even said "wish I played in games like this." LMAO

I appreciated the comments about "be happy with a 3 goal lead"... and how a team like TB, up 3-0, is perfectly fine winning 3-0.

And it's pretty clear the Avalanche defensemen have the full-ice green light all the time no matter what, so you end up with those Makar/MacKinnon pairings when the Oilers are on the rush because Toews is somewhere in offensive face off circle.

Interested in the ECF... most times the better goaltending and defensive responsible team will win a long series, but these WC teams scoring 7 goals a game.... :shrug:

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ROFL

I'm just glad my bet that they'd make it this far is paying off! I tried this last year and ended up going to no games and just being sad.

Probably worth the money saved outside of maybe game 1 vs the Blues last season or that weird OT winner against Vegas in game 2... or else you would have just been sad with less money.

I would normally assume things would tighten up quite a bit tonight, but who knows if that means far fewer goals with the goalie situations... I really have to assume Smith starts getting a shorter leash eventually (granted, the 6 goals were on something like 28 shots in 30 minutes).

Should be another fun game, and all that talent on the ice from both sides will be a blast to watch live!

Frankie is in net tonight. Kuemper is out, so Annunen will be the backup.

Honestly, I'm kind of OK with it. Kuemper hasn't looked the same since he took the stick to the eye. Whether that's truly the issue right now, I have no idea, but I'm OK with giving Frankie a chance to see what he can do.

Yeah, the biggest difference I noticed the other night is how much quicker Francouz looked than recent Kuemper, and generally much more controlled and comfortable in net. He made a few huge saves, too.

About right. LMAO

https://i.imgur.com/JYnNDMY.jpg

Hahaha.

The Oilers provide NO resistance through the neutral zone.... they're not even trying to slow down the Avalanche.

The intermission entertainment is some girl doing one of those upside down painting things. I am whelmed.

The other night they had some guy doing fancy handstands and stuff and then had a tiny dog sitting on the soles of his shoes and what not... and they kept showing one guy overreacting to every little thing, which I assume was a planned thing.

Overreaction guy definitely added a little something to it though.

Oilers had a relatively decent 1st period (at least Smith did, and besides the penalties and all the SOG... but the bar is low)..... they look like complete shit in the 2nd.

WTF was up with icing the puck 8 times to start the period? Then the terrible passes in their own zone, losing a 2 on 1 puck battle before the 2nd goal... damn.

Gotta admit it's a little strange sitting with Gretzky in my field of view all game.

I heard he loves hugs from strangers.

Francouz has been pretty damn good tonight. Big relief there...

Another thing, Avs passing tonight has been really impressive. They are really moving the puck well.

Yeah, he's only been bailed out a few times, and on that note, seems like the Avalanche are really up to that task of protecting their net and helping him out (and he's doing more than enough to keep the job).

They also seem more content so far in the 3rd to get offensive puck possession time and keep their defensemen back as opposed to the constant 5 man rushes down the ice.

Oilers are cranky.

Nice shutout. Avs totally dominated the 2nd and 3rd.

Onward!

Well, that was fun.

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Great choice!



See you sometime tomorrow, when you get out of the arena.

Best all around game since the first game of the playoffs, that was a thing of beauty.

Ha! Was it really that bad? We were out in probably 15 minutes or so, but I actually think it's easier to get out of the top bowl. We got home 20 minutes ago.

And, whew, what a crowd. It was just fun to be there regardless of the outcome. It basically felt like a party for the entire third period.

Combination of the roller coaster ride of a game coming to a sudden and sad stop while mimicking the Chiefs/Bengals, wanting to suddenly get out of there for the decent drive, and the stupidity of 18k people leaving by a handful of stairwells and one very crowded staircase.

Wasn't too bad time wise, just the standing still at the entrance stairs wondering if it would ever move... ended up back tracking to a stairwell to get out (apparently should have just waited the first time). Just seemed so... inefficient. Getting out of the lot was quick though and the highway was busy but fast.

Yeah, tonight was a feel good game from the beginning... a good up and down game in the first with a lot of shots and chances, the sudden burst of goals, and clamping it shut for the 3rd. They looked like a championship team tonight.

Kane has really douched it up the past couple games.

Blues fans get their hero in Evander Kane. ROFL

I feel oddly more comfortable watching the PK against the Oilers than I did against the Blues... think I have serious Wild/Knights PTSD.

A better 2nd period overall and was fully expecting a Smith meltdown after the 2nd goal (which was a thing of beauty).

I suspect the pressure is really mounting for the Oilers. So may times in recent years the Avalanche have been in this state of "WTF do we have to do?!?, and I feel like the Oilers must be at that point.

Hopefully they can get another past Smith early in the 3rd.

I'm pretty sure it's not just Blues fans who hate Kadri. Guy has been a dirty and reckless player throughout his career.

HECK YEAH BOYS!! 6-0 on the road!

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The Quebec Nordiques are pretty good.

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Holy shit, what a sequence.... McDavid with a PP shot that goes off Frankie's mask and glove. The ringing of the post followed by Compher's goal that he didn't even realize went in until after he searched for the puck under Smith.

All that after the dumb tripping call for dude catching an edge (can't complain much though given how many PP chances the Avalanche are getting because the Oilers have been a bunch of goons the past couple games).

That second goal by Nichushkin was pretty crazy. I want to see another replay of that, because it looked like a curveball coming at the goal.

Francouz looked great again. Gut had lots of defender help again. Really like how the Avs are defending overall this series. Lots of times tonight, they were sending defenders directly at McDavid and Draisaitl and just completely taking them out of play. Smart play tonight.

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Didn't notice it before, but think it hits off the defender's leg.

From the replay during the live broadcast it looked like he intentionally put it right between the defender's legs and just inside the far post. Absolutely sick. Val snipes.

Yeah, watching that it goes off the defenders leg, through his legs. Smith shifted toward the shot before the deflection and just took himself out of position.

https://i.imgur.com/Yt63uUc.png

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Kadri is officially out for the foreseeable future.

And Kane after the game (after some bullshit about "just getting up on Kadri and he awkwardly fell") ....the margin for error is very slim right now and we're seeing that.

You don't say, maybe spend less time on the cheap shots and more time doing hockey things then..... only wish the Avalanche had scored 3 goals on that major PP just to hear him say that in the post game.