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PAChiefsGuy 03-01-2019 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 14129881)
If you're all that fixated on seeing an old guy get jacked off, there are probably websites you can visit. No judgement.

That's the first thing I thought when I read that post. Good Lord there are some strange people on CP

FloridaMan88 03-01-2019 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 14129894)
That's the first thing I thought when I read that post. Good Lord there are some strange people on CP

Alex Smith is no longer a Chief so why are you still posting here?

ClevelandBronco 03-01-2019 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 14129891)
While that may be your fantasy, the reason the video should be released is to have the same Ray Rice/Kareem Hunt impact in terms of public perception.

I didn't realize Kraft had inflicted serious physical harm to the masseuses like those pieces of shit. My bad.

FloridaMan88 03-01-2019 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 14129898)
I didn't realize Kraft had inflicted serious physical harm to the masseuses like those pieces of shit. My bad.

ROFL a video of Kraft "engaging" with a sex slave... yeah that wouldn't have an impact on public perception.

ClevelandBronco 03-01-2019 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 14129904)
ROFL a video of Kraft "engaging" with a sex slave... yeah that wouldn't have an impact on public perception.

I have no insight on potential public perception, but it seems that it would definitely turn you on.

FloridaMan88 03-01-2019 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 14129919)
I have no insight on potential public perception, but it seems that it would definitely turn you on.

Sounds like it would turn you on... you seem to have a fetish for a different flavor than your current owner... Pat Bowlen who spends his days shitting in an adult diaper and trying to remember his name.

PAChiefsGuy 03-01-2019 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 14129928)
Sounds like it would turn you on... you seem to have a fetish for a different flavor than your current owner... Pat Bowlen who spends his days shitting in an adult diaper and trying to remember his name.

You are the one who said the video should be released man. Face the facts you obviously want to see the video otherwise you wouldn't care if it got released or not.

Look if old men getting jerked off by Asain women is what turns you on I'm not going to judge you. Just please dont post about it here. This is a Chiefs message board, not a fetish message board.

Thank you.

FloridaMan88 03-01-2019 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 14129940)
You are the one who said the video should be released man. Face the facts you obviously want to see the video otherwise you wouldn't care if it got released or not.

Look if old men getting jerked off by Asain women is what turns you on I'm not going to judge you. Just please dont post about it here. This is a Chiefs message board, not a fetish message board.

Thank you.

You are correct, further humiliating the Faketriots owner turns me on.

Just like mindlessly defending the likes of Alex Smith and Bob Sutton turns you on.

WhawhaWhat 03-01-2019 10:35 AM

I like that you guys are arguing over who wants to see the video more.

FloridaMan88 03-01-2019 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 14129949)
I like that you guys are arguing over who wants to see the video more.

Anyone who hates the Faketriots should want the video to be released to further destroy Kraft's reputation.

DJ's left nut 03-01-2019 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 14129898)
I didn't realize Kraft had inflicted serious physical harm to the masseuses like those pieces of shit. My bad.

Option 1: Get a love pat from Kareem Hunt and trip because I'm hammered.
Option 2: Get knocked the !@#$ out by Ray Rice.
Option 3: Give an old man a handy.


I'll be honest, option 3 sounds like the worst of the 3. I mean I don't need to see the video or anything, but let's not hand-waive elderly hand jobs here.

And for the record, the only 'serious physical harm' Kareem Hunt inflicted was on that drunk cow's high heels. I'm pretty sure one of them broke or something.

FloridaMan88 03-01-2019 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14129958)
Option 1: Get a love pat from Kareem Hunt and trip because I'm hammered.
Option 2: Get knocked the !@#$ out by Ray Rice.
Option 3: Give an old man a handy.


I'll be honest, option 3 sounds like the worst of the 3. I mean I don't need to see the video or anything, but let's not hand-waive elderly hand jobs here.

And for the record, the only 'serious physical harm' Kareem Hunt inflicted was on that drunk cow's high heels. I'm pretty sure one of them broke or something.

Also the video could show more details/provide greater context and change the perception that Kraft was just a horny old guy getting a blow job... i.e. was he physically aggressive/abusive towards the sex slave in the video?

If Dan Patrick has seen the video and said it is bad, I am guessing it is more than just Kraft engaging in a "basic" sex act.

vailpass 03-01-2019 10:47 AM

You guys still worried about Kraft getting his crab rangooned by a couple lilted orchids?Who cares?

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-01-2019 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 14129919)
I have no insight on potential public perception, but it seems that it would definitely turn you on.

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 14129940)
You are the one who said the video should be released man. Face the facts you obviously want to see the video otherwise you wouldn't care if it got released or not.

Look if old men getting jerked off by Asain women is what turns you on I'm not going to judge you. Just please dont post about it here. This is a Chiefs message board, not a fetish message board.

Thank you.

^^^^^ Equates desire to see New England damaged and Kraft properly ostracized with an arcane desire to watch an old bag of **** get a hand job.

Squirrel Tits and ****-O; a perfectly matched, Reese's peanut butter cup of Internet Idiot.

saphojunkie 03-01-2019 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 14127482)
Some men seek out the underage and younger stuff. I've ALWAYS avoided that for that very simple reason: don't turn a misdemeanor into a major felony for just a few years.

This sounds like the only reason you avoid underage prostitutes is prison time...

ChiefsCountry 03-01-2019 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 14129975)
You guys still worried about Kraft getting his crab rangooned by a couple lilted orchids?Who cares?

PDS. Patriots Derangement Syndrome.

vailpass 03-01-2019 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 14130288)
PDS. Patriots Derangement Syndrome.

I'm stupid. Thanks for clarifying.

BlackOp 03-01-2019 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 14129975)
You guys still worried about Kraft getting his crab rangooned by a couple lilted orchids?Who cares?

There is no doubt that since Kraft is tied to this...and multiple cheating scandals that the entire football community wants to see his franchise burnt to the ground.

They've been to consecutive SBs due to bogus officiating...and the video of him giving an official a football as a gift for "years of service".

The fact he met with a human trafficking/sexual exploitation non-profit, which he donates to, just weeks before going to this place...is ****ed up. He is well-aware of this epidemic and the tell-tale signs of trafficking. He didn't go to this place twice because he was ignorant of what it might be. He didn't give a shit. The hypocrisy is off the charts... and paints him as a conman using money to create a false public impression of possessing empathy....which ties back into his franchise being serial cheaters also.

He's a phony...and everyone who has left that sham franchise has fallen on their face once they leave...even NFL executive of year..Fat Scott. Their coaching tree has had zero success..and McDaniels got busted immediately for filming with the Donks.

Amnorix 03-01-2019 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14130313)
There is no doubt that since Kraft is tied to this...and multiple cheating scandals that the entire football community wants to see his franchise burnt to the ground.

They been to consecutive SBs due to bogus officiating...and the video of him giving an official a football as a gift for "years of service".

The fact he met with a human trafficking/sexual exploitation non-profit, which he donates to, just weeks before going to this place...is ****ed up. He is well-aware of this epidemic and the tell-tale signs of trafficking. He didn't go to this place twice because he was ignorant of what it might be. He didn't give a shit. The hypocrisy is off the charts... and paints him as a conman using money to create a false public impression of possessing empathy....which ties back into his franchise being serial cheaters also.

He's a phony...


This whole post is bizarre. Consider medication, or more of it, or less, as the case may be.

BlackOp 03-01-2019 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14130325)
This whole post is bizarre. Consider medication, or more of it, or less, as the case may be.

Yes...truth is a sickness. I'm not surprised at all by your response...being the team you support/defend. Your entire fanbase is compromised...like a brain-washed cult following.

I'm sure you have rationalized this into "poor, old lonely billionaire...who just jet-setted to the Oscar partys with Superstar Brady on his private plane and has a hot 39 year old GF..is too senile to understand what he's doing. Twice. He's a victim in all of this. The police and their surveillance sting are the ones who are guilty. How dare they charge Kraft for committing crimes."

Red Dawg 03-01-2019 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14130325)
This whole post is bizarre. Consider medication, or more of it, or less, as the case may be.

I love the post. It's spot on.

FAX 03-01-2019 01:46 PM

Defending Krafty on this deal could be tough, given the video evidence.

Of course, the argument could be made that Krafty was actually doing undercover work as a private citizen in order to get the goods on the operation. Under that scenario, he has donated to the sex-trafficking cause but felt that mere money just wasn't enough. Someone had to do what was necessary to expose the culprits. That's why he took that responsibility upon himself at great personal risk.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I present to you ... Bob Kraft; Whore Buster.

FAX

scho63 03-01-2019 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 14130275)
This sounds like the only reason you avoid underage prostitutes is prison time...

No it's not. Why risk being with a younger woman who you think is 22 or 23 and she is 16 or 17. That's why-no need to tempt fate when you are already breaking the law by paying for sex

FloridaMan88 03-01-2019 01:51 PM

It is interesting that Denver fans and the other usual dumbshits (i.e. the person who continuously defended Bob Sutton) are trying to minimize Kraft’s situation.

FloridaMan88 03-01-2019 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 14130296)
I'm stupid. Thanks for clarifying.

Your stupidity has long been clarified.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-01-2019 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 14130365)
Defending Krafty on this deal could be tough, given the video evidence.

Of course, the argument could be made that Krafty was actually doing undercover work as a private citizen in order to get the goods on the operation. Under that scenario, he has donated to the sex-trafficking cause but felt that mere money just wasn't enough. Someone had to do what was necessary to expose the culprits. That's why he took that responsibility upon himself at great personal risk.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I present to you ... Bob Kraft; Whore Buster.

FAX

LMAO God Bless that Righteous Crusader!

RobertWeathers 03-01-2019 03:00 PM

Krafty will get a small fine and community service.

Moving on

BlackOp 03-01-2019 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RobertWeathers (Post 14130494)
Krafty will get a small fine and community service.

Moving on

I doubt the female fans of the Patriots forget...women forget NOTHING!

The legal implications of this are the least of his worries...his public image will take a beating. Will corporate sponsors want to be affiliated with someone who was just busted in a sex trafficking sting?

"Gillette...the best sex slaves a man can get"...*sings jingle*

RobertWeathers 03-01-2019 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14130516)
I doubt the female fans of the Patriots forget...women forget NOTHING!

The legal implications of this are the least of his worries...his public image will take a beating. Will corporate sponsors want to be affiliated with someone who was just busted in a sex trafficking sting?

"Gillette...the best sex slaves a man can get"...*sings jingle*

I dunna know what NEP sponsors are going to do. As long as they win they'll stick around. I think that and what Goodell would do if he pleaded guilty is whats motivating him now.

Obviously he had a major lapse in judgement and discreteness.

It'll be forgotten in time.

Marcellus 03-01-2019 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 14129891)
While that may be your fantasy, the reason the video should be released is to have the same Ray Rice/Kareem Hunt impact in terms of public perception.

Seriously? You really think that would be the same?

FloridaMan88 03-01-2019 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 14130555)
Seriously? You really think that would be the same?

If Kraft is physically abusive/aggressive towards the woman in the video you don't think that would have an impact?

Amnorix 03-01-2019 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 14130688)
If Kraft is physically abusive/aggressive towards the woman in the video you don't think that would have an impact?


You think a 5' 7", 77 year old man, was like physically dominating them and roughing them up? Yeah, ok, possible, but unlikely.

EXCEPT WAIT -- WE HAVE A ****ING POLICE REPORT THAT DESCRIBES WHAT HAPPENS AND DOESN'T SAY THAT!



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As for incident #2 -- officials describe it in the following way:

"[employee] escorted Kraft to a room identified as JPPD Cam 2. There, the two hugged each other and Kraft took off all his clothing, laid face up on the massage table and [employee] hugged him again. At approximately 1102hrs. (Employee) began manipulating Kraft’s penis and testicles and then put her head down by his penis. This went on several minutes.”

"After a few minutes, [employee] wiped Kraft in the area of his genitals with a white towel, helped him get dressed and hugged him again. Kraft gave [employee] one $100 bill plus at least one other unidentifiable bill."
The first incident, posted earlier in this thread, was roughly similar. You let me know where it says Kraft was "physically abusive/aggressive" and then we can talk.

FloridaMan88 03-01-2019 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14130719)
You think a 5' 7", 77 year old man, was like physically dominating them and roughing them up? Yeah, ok, possible, but unlikely.

EXCEPT WAIT -- WE HAVE A ****ING POLICE REPORT THAT DESCRIBES WHAT HAPPENS AND DOESN'T SAY THAT!





The first incident, posted earlier in this thread, was roughly similar. You let me know where it says Kraft was "physically abusive/aggressive" and then we can talk.

Yes because the police reports and the nature/context of the incidents shown in the videos were perfectly aligned in the Ray Rice/Kareem Hunt situations.

ROFL

JFC you are a pathetically stupid Faketriots bandwagoning troll.

vailpass 03-01-2019 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 14130688)
If Kraft is physically abusive/aggressive towards the woman in the video you don't think that would have an impact?

Physically abusive? Wut? He just got his chop stick stroked. Maybe had his rice balls fondled. It’s not like he bent them over the great wall and hit them in the pu pu platter.

htismaqe 03-01-2019 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 14130813)
Physically abusive? Wut? He just got his chop stick stroked. Maybe had his rice balls fondled. It’s not like he bent them over the great wall and hit them in the pu pu platter.

Why are you using so many food-related euphemisms. Fetish? :D

vailpass 03-01-2019 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14130814)
Why are you using so many food-related euphemisms. Fetish? :D

:D Compensating for a small egg roll.

FloridaMan88 03-01-2019 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 14130813)
Physically abusive? Wut? He just got his chop stick stroked. Maybe had his rice balls fondled. It’s not like he bent them over the great wall and hit them in the pu pu platter.

Failpass continuing to lead the Denver brigade of Kraft apologists.

SAUTO 03-02-2019 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 14130743)
Yes because the police reports and the nature/context of the incidents shown in the videos were perfectly aligned in the Ray Rice/Kareem Hunt situations.

ROFL

JFC you are a pathetically stupid Faketriots bandwagoning troll.

Did the police ever see the hunt video?

And neither of those situations were taped by the police, with officers watching every move. Wouldn't they be obligated to help if he had been physically assaulting the women? I mean they had to be close to wrapping up their investigation.

LiveSteam 03-02-2019 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 14130688)
If Kraft is physically abusive/aggressive towards the woman in the video you don't think that would have an impact?

He'd be done . Like Joe Paterno done.
I don't see how a hand job gets to where you are though.

BlackOp 03-03-2019 12:03 AM

There is still a strange correlation between multiple billionaires visiting this same strip mall. I could see if Kraft just haphazardly stumbled onto it...but being there is another connection makes it very peculiar...Kraft went there twice in just over a day before flying out.

It was definitely premeditated....(planned)...which makes his meeting with the sexual abuse non-profit a few weeks earlier, disturbing. Just the thought process of having knowledge of the epidemic...then choosing to be a repeat patron.

Billionaires dont go to public strip malls for random sex....way too much risk for someone seeing them. Kraft showed up in a chauffeured Bentley...which would draw attention. Why?

My intuition says he knows who is running the network...or is connected to it...there shouldn't be another Massachusetts billionaire involved in that short period.

Marcellus 03-03-2019 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 14130813)
Physically abusive? Wut? He just got his chop stick stroked. Maybe had his rice balls fondled. It’s not like he bent them over the great wall and hit them in the pu pu platter.

ROFL

synthesis2 03-03-2019 10:24 AM

I don't think anyone will forget about it. Its just to funny/ disturbing / gross / hell whatever you want to call it but when someone as smug as Kraft gets caught in this type of incident as big or as small as you want to call it. He will NEVER live it down in the court of public opinion. I bet 5 years from now if he is still alive and running the pats everytime someone refers to him they will have some reference to massages, etc. The dudes public reputation is done. Like Rapelburger.

BlackOp 03-03-2019 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by synthesis2 (Post 14132333)
I don't think anyone will forget about it. Its just to funny/ disturbing / gross / hell whatever you want to call it but when someone as smug as Kraft gets caught in this type of incident as big or as small as you want to call it. He will NEVER live it down in the court of public opinion. I bet 5 years from now if he is still alive and running the pats everytime someone refers to him they will have some reference to massages, etc. The dudes public reputation is done. Like Rapelburger.

It's strange he went there, not only during the afternoon in a chauffeured driven Bentley...but on the actual day he was going to be viewed by millions on TV. He went to airport right after his "appointment"...the timing is odd.

If I were going to jump to conclusions...it kind of looks like he was "checking in on his investment" before leaving town.

Kraft isn't "rockstar" famous...but visible enough to be recognized. I would know him...as would possibly someone in the lobby of that massage parlor. The fact he was in a blue Bentley Mulsanne limo (around 1/2 million) would dictate he wasn't an average customer...and aid in someone remembering him...or taking a cell phone picture.

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/bentle...-ar172659.html

If I were a Billionaire going to public whorehouse...I would at least attempt to be as discreet as possible. Why didn't he care?

Flying High D 03-03-2019 11:15 AM

I can think of $6.6 billion reasons why he didn’t care.

BlackOp 03-03-2019 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Flying High D (Post 14132418)
I can think of $6.6 billion reasons why he didn’t care.

You dont think compromising his fake public persona isn't important? He's rich...but also in the public eye of judgement. He donates to causes he obviously doesn't care about for one reason...public perception/cover.

Now he's trying to buy his way out of being publicly ridiculed...he cares.

synthesis2 03-04-2019 12:32 AM

Look no matter what happens with his court case the ship has sailed and he is going to be teased about this until he dies. It is what it is. Sometimes you need proof, and other times you just know. Now the bigger picture is if he is involved in the trafficking or not? But not matter what he will be teased about being a perv etc.

Nickhead 03-04-2019 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by synthesis2 (Post 14133314)
Look no matter what happens with his court case the ship has sailed and he is going to be teased about this until he dies. It is what it is. Sometimes you need proof, and other times you just know. Now the bigger picture is if he is involved in the trafficking or not? But not matter what he will be teased about being a perv etc.

there are 31 nfl owners who will privately give him a high five and a wink :D

ricko1112 03-04-2019 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14130516)
I doubt the female fans of the Patriots forget...women forget NOTHING!

The legal implications of this are the least of his worries...his public image will take a beating. Will corporate sponsors want to be affiliated with someone who was just busted in a sex trafficking sting?

"Gillette...the best sex slaves a man can get"...*sings jingle*

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As of yesterday, not one single person involved in this case has been charged with anything to do with trafficking of sex slaves. Not the johns, not the managers of the spa, and not the owners of the spa. The woman Kraft got his hj from was 58 years old. It was just a 77 year old widower getting his rock off. Hopefully, when we're his age, we'll be able to keep it up!

PAChiefsGuy 03-04-2019 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ricko1112 (Post 14133362)
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As of yesterday, not one single person involved in this case has been charged with anything to do with trafficking of sex slaves. Not the johns, not the managers of the spa, and not the owners of the spa. The woman Kraft got his hj from was 58 years old. It was just a 77 year old widower getting his rock off. Hopefully, when we're his age, we'll be able to keep it up!

BlackOp doesn't care about that. I bet he has never done anything in his life to fight sex trafficking and he probably never will. All he cares about is Kraft and it is only because he hates the Patriots.

Coochie liquor 03-04-2019 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 14130826)
:D Compensating for a small egg roll.

God damn you’re killing it. This is so funny!

BlackOp 03-04-2019 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 14133376)
BlackOp doesn't care about that. I bet he has never done anything in his life to fight sex trafficking and he probably never will. All he cares about is Kraft and it is only because he hates the Patriots.

Oh, I fight sex trafficking everyday...you know how? I dont give them my money. I dont visit strip mall message parlors where no one speaks English...and is sketchy enough to warrant the police to set-up a sting op in.

Is your argument some bullet point you keep using to minimize what Kraft just did? He met with a sex trafficking/sexual abuse non-profit just a few weeks prior...and has accepted humanitarian awards that are directly/indirectly tied to it..

If he were just a dirty old man...it would be one thing. To deliberately create a public image where you are against something terrible...but actually support in real life is an entirely different animal.

It's a tell-tale of a sociopath..and lacks any real empathy. That's some disturbing, premeditated shit..

vailpass 03-04-2019 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14132354)
It's strange he went there, not only during the afternoon in a chauffeured driven Bentley...but on the actual day he was going to be viewed by millions on TV. He went to airport right after his "appointment"...the timing is odd.

If I were going to jump to conclusions...it kind of looks like he was "checking in on his investment" before leaving town.

Kraft isn't "rockstar" famous...but visible enough to be recognized. I would know him...as would possibly someone in the lobby of that massage parlor. The fact he was in a blue Bentley Mulsanne limo (around 1/2 million) would dictate he wasn't an average customer...and aid in someone remembering him...or taking a cell phone picture.

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/bentle...-ar172659.html

If I were a Billionaire going to public whorehouse...I would at least attempt to be as discreet as possible. Why didn't he care?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...Up_i006x8akNRG

RollChiefsRoll 03-19-2019 11:38 AM

https://www.wsj.com/articles/florida...d=hp_lead_pos7

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Florida prosecutors have offered to drop charges against New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft and a number of other men charged with soliciting prostitution, according to a person familiar with the matter, but there is a catch. The proposed agreement calls for the men to admit they would have been proven guilty at trial.

The proposed deferred prosecution agreement calls for completion of an education course about prostitution, completion of 100 hours of community service, screening for sexually transmitted diseases and payment of some court costs.

But in an unusual provision, the agreement also calls for the defendants to review the evidence in the case and agree that, if it were to go to trial, the state would be able to prove their guilt, this person said. It isn’t clear whether Mr. Kraft and others would accept such a condition. When the charges were announced, a spokesman for Mr. Kraft denied he engaged in illegal activity.

Palm Beach County prosecutors declined to comment. A spokeswoman for the Jupiter Police Department did not immediately respond to request for comment.

Mr. Kraft, whose Patriots won the Super Bowl in February, was one of more than two dozen men charged with solicitation last month in Jupiter as part of a multi-city investigation into multiple South Florida spas. One of those locations was Orchids of Asia Day Spa, which Mr. Kraft allegedly visited and received sex acts. Prosecutors charged him with two counts of soliciting prostitution, acts they say were caught on video surveillance. Mr. Kraft has pleaded not guilty.

Legal experts have raised questions about the tactics Jupiter, Fla., police used in obtaining search warrants for an investigation they said was intended to stop a growing human trafficking problem.

Prosecutors and law-enforcement officials had described the investigation as a probe into human trafficking and portrayed the men who patronized the spas as contributing to the demand for sex slavery. In announcing the charges, Dave Aronberg, the state attorney for Palm Beach County, had called human trafficking “evil in our midst,” echoing the rhetoric of law-enforcement officials.

But no one has been charged with human trafficking in the case. Prosecutors’ affidavits have not detailed evidence of human trafficking at Orchids of Asia Day Spa.

“The police are making this case that this is a major human trafficking ring, and that’s why it’s so serious,” said Duncan Levin, a former federal prosecutor and managing partner of Tucker Levin, PLLC who is not connected to the case. “The fact that they had cameras installed in the locations for so long somewhat undermines the claim that there was an extraordinary danger to the people working in the establishment.”

The Jupiter Police Department began its investigation in October, according to affidavits and in January installed covert surveillance equipment. Men who visited the spas, including Mr. Kraft, were seen engaging in sex acts and identified after their visits on traffic stops, according to court documents. Legal experts have said the traffic stops could be argued as pretextual.

Prosecutors alleged they saw Mr. Kraft, 77 years old, enter Orchids of Asia Day Spa, located in a small strip mall, on two occasions and saw him pay cash and receive sex acts. He was identified in a traffic stop after his first visit on Jan. 19, when he was the passenger in a vehicle, and visited the spa again the next day, before the Patriots played the Chiefs in the AFC Championship game.

At least one of the women Mr. Kraft was alleged to have engaged with was an operator of the spa, while both were licensed, according to Florida Department of Health records.

Mr. Kraft could still face punishment from the NFL, which has said in regards to him that the league’s “personal conduct policy applies equally to everyone.” The league said it would “take appropriate action as warranted based on the facts.”


The league has previously disciplined players in cases where they were not prosecuted.

“I think Kraft’s biggest problem is going to be NFL management,” said David Weinstein, a Miami lawyer and former prosecutor in the Southern District of Florida. “Their standards are far lower than proof beyond a reasonable doubt.”

FAX 03-19-2019 11:40 AM

But of course ...

10 bucks says the rat bastard takes the deal.

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Hydrae 03-19-2019 11:56 AM

I have been wondering where the rest of the news about this would come out. All I have really heard is comments about Kraft, etc. I thought when the news hit this was much, much bigger than a rich man being caught with a prostitute. So, where is the rest of the fallout on this? :shrug:

Fish 03-19-2019 12:04 PM

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Legal experts have raised questions about the tactics Jupiter, Fla., police used in obtaining search warrants for an investigation they said was intended to stop a growing human trafficking problem.

Prosecutors and law-enforcement officials had described the investigation as a probe into human trafficking and portrayed the men who patronized the spas as contributing to the demand for sex slavery. In announcing the charges, Dave Aronberg, the state attorney for Palm Beach County, had called human trafficking “evil in our midst,” echoing the rhetoric of law-enforcement officials.

But no one has been charged with human trafficking in the case. Prosecutors’ affidavits have not detailed evidence of human trafficking at Orchids of Asia Day Spa.

“The police are making this case that this is a major human trafficking ring, and that’s why it’s so serious,” said Duncan Levin, a former federal prosecutor and managing partner of Tucker Levin, PLLC who is not connected to the case. “The fact that they had cameras installed in the locations for so long somewhat undermines the claim that there was an extraordinary danger to the people working in the establishment.”
Been saying this for a while now. Law enforcement is using "Human trafficking" to justify their projects because "OMG think of the childrens!" But like Scooby Doo, it's just a bunch of old rich white guys...

PAChiefsGuy 03-19-2019 12:08 PM

But BlackOp said Krafts reputation would be ruined by this and Patriots should lose draft picks??? Surely there is more to this story?

Stinger 03-19-2019 12:09 PM

I'm no legal expert, but this seems like a weird offer.

Fish 03-19-2019 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Stinger (Post 14168350)
I'm no legal expert, but this seems like a weird offer.

Yeah, it sounds really bizarre. Why would an offer be necessary in the first place unless the police ****ed something up?

FAX 03-19-2019 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 14168357)
Yeah, it sounds really bizarre. Why would an offer be necessary in the first place unless the police ****ed something up?

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chiefzilla1501 03-19-2019 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 14168335)
Been saying this for a while now. Law enforcement is using "Human trafficking" to justify their projects because "OMG think of the childrens!" But like Scooby Doo, it's just a bunch of old rich white guys...

I originally thought there was something bigger. But their choosing to disclose krafts name despite there being a supposedly huge list then learning it was basically just a rub and tug seems a little shady. I agree it felt like a hit job.

I somewhat disagree with you because it appears a legit human trafficking operation got taken down. By the way, the same thing happened with stormy Daniels in Ohio... Big difference is kraft did something illegal (whether we agree with its legality or not) whereas going after stormy was a clear hit job.

But yeah, now knowing what actually happened, much as I love to see kraft get embarrassed I don't know that it deserved this kind of hit job.

Fish 03-19-2019 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14168446)
I originally thought there was something bigger. But their choosing to disclose krafts name despite there being a supposedly huge list then learning it was basically just a rub and tug seems a little shady. I agree it felt like a hit job.

I somewhat disagree with you because it appears a legit human trafficking operation got taken down. By the way, the same thing happened with stormy Daniels in Ohio... Big difference is kraft did something illegal (whether we agree with its legality or not) whereas going after stormy was a clear hit job.

But yeah, now knowing what actually happened, much as I love to see kraft get embarrassed I don't know that it deserved this kind of hit job.

I'm not sure what you mean. What human trafficking operation was taken down? As the quote states, there were no human trafficking charges in the Jupiter sting, when that was supposed to be the purpose of the operation. Prostitution is not human trafficking.

chiefzilla1501 03-19-2019 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 14168476)
I'm not sure what you mean. What human trafficking operation was taken down? As the quote states, there were no human trafficking charges in the Jupiter sting, when that was supposed to be the purpose of the operation. Prostitution is not human trafficking.

Fair point. I don't think the recent news necessarily means there was no human trafficking. But it's possible this was purely a hit job. I interpret Jupiter's response today as backtracking because they treated this like a hit job and they're covering their asses. But thats just me connecting my own dots. We both agree that forcing a link between kraft and human trafficking was a huge stretch... That there's plenty of good questions about "why target this particular day spa"... And this looks more and more like a hit job on kraft.

Hydrae 03-19-2019 01:39 PM

But I thought Jupiter was one of several raids in multiple countries with support from law enforcement from around the globe. But I know I have not heard much more since the day it occurred and Kraft's name was prominently pushed out to everyone.

vailpass 03-19-2019 01:40 PM

If this ruins rub and tugs it's going to be a tragedy.

Amnorix 03-19-2019 01:43 PM

Because people don't tend to care that much about prostitution, law enforcement and anti-prostitution crusaders are trying more and more to tie it to human trafficking because -- duh -- of course nobody is in favor of that, or sex slavery.

But most often, prostitution is just prostitution, and an old white guy getting a handy from a old asian woman is just that, and nothing more.

gblowfish 03-19-2019 03:40 PM

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Backrub Bob cruisin' Arrowhead lookin for some Asian Carry Out. This is the same day he got his rub and tug in Florida!

FAX 03-19-2019 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 14168908)
Backrub Bob cruisin' Arrowhead lookin for some Asian Carry Out. This is the same day he got his rub and tug in Florida!

He looks happy.

Ming Wu must be proud.

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TribalElder 03-19-2019 04:38 PM

Once he takes the plea deal I wonder if he will have to register as a sex offender

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-19-2019 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 14169073)
Once he takes the plea deal I wonder if he will have to register as a sex offender

Ooooh! That would be sweet!

Beef Supreme 03-19-2019 04:51 PM

We owe him our gratitude for giving us the phrase "getting a Krafty."

Rain Man 03-19-2019 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 14169073)
Once he takes the plea deal I wonder if he will have to register as a sex offender

If so, then the Chiefs should rent Lamar's Arrowhead apartment to a needy child in the playoffs so that Kraft won't be allowed to watch the game live. Edit: no, that's not right. I guess we'd have to put a school in there.

TribalElder 03-19-2019 07:42 PM

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TribalElder 03-19-2019 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 14169130)
If so, then the Chiefs should rent Lamar's Arrowhead apartment to a needy child in the playoffs so that Kraft won't be allowed to watch the game live. Edit: no, that's not right. I guess we'd have to put a school in there.

I think a pre game stadium announcement with picture of the sex offender on the video boards should be sufficient

gblowfish 03-19-2019 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Beef Supreme (Post 14169110)
We owe him our gratitude for giving us the phrase "getting a Krafty."

I like calling him "Backrub Bob."

Chief Northman 03-19-2019 07:49 PM

I for one am tuning in when the Pats visit Buffalo.

It will rain dildos.

Red Dawg 03-19-2019 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 14169396)
I for one am tuning in when the Pats visit Buffalo.

It will rain dildos.

Lol. That will be so damn great.

gblowfish 03-19-2019 08:14 PM

I'd certainly nominate this thread for the CP HOC. Any seconds?

notorious 03-19-2019 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 14169396)
I for one am tuning in when the Pats visit Buffalo.

It will rain dildos.

LMAO

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JakeF 03-19-2019 10:48 PM

If none of the girls were underage and there was no Human Trafficking, I imagine that plea deals are pretty much standard procedure for first-time offenders


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