I always thought that pseudo-cliffhanger would have been a good plot thread to pick up in a movie.

Who knew phasers has settings of stun, kill, and die a horrible ****ing death, anyway?

Thanks for the input. It seemed a little suspect to me to stop so early.

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Anybody here ever watch the 70's Trek cartoon? The animation is primitive by today's standards, of course, but a few of the episodes are worth a watch if you're a fan of TOS.
All of original cast is back except for Walter Koenig; Mark Lenard (Sarek), Roger C. Carmel (Harry Mudd), and Stanley Adams (Cyrano Jones) also reprise their roles. Some TOS writers (D.C. Fontana and David Gerrold) and directors also contributed to the series.


Some of the episodes are typical crummy Saturday morning fare, but there are a few that feel like their plots could have worked just fine on TOS.

My top 5:

"Yesteryear" (D.C. Fontana script. Influential Spock/Vulcan backstory)
"The Survivor"
"The Eye of the Beholder"
"One of Our Planets Is Missing"
"The Slaver Weapon" (written by Larry Niven)


IF you are a big TOS fan, and IF you can handle 70s animation, it's worth a watch.

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I remember one episode from the animated show where the crew finds an alien weapon that would morph into different types of weapons, iirc? One was a phaser blast with the force of a nuclear blast. That is my complete recall on the Star Trek animated series, lol.

Yeah, that was the one written by Larry Niven. It's called "The Slaver Weapon."

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Heh. If you can stand the same track over and over and over again, the Animated Series has some really good music

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Neat. You're right, the music isn't really bad at all; it's just very repetitive. What bugs me most about the music is that loud horn blast that they use every time there's an action sequence.


I watched "Yesterday's Enterprise" last night. It's amazing how much this show improved in season 3.

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Things were going fine at Narendra III until Lt. Castillo told a Romulan ambassador that he "eats pieces of shit like him for breakfast."

Yesterday’s Enterprise is my favorite TNG episode.

Yeah, it's a great episode alright. My top five would probably be:

The Inner Light
Darmok
All Good Things...
Sarek
Yesterday's Enterprise

A top ten would probably continue with some combination of these episodes:

The Best of Both Worlds parts 1 & 2 & Family (I'll always think of this as an epilogue)
The Worf arc (Sins of the Father, Reunion, Redemption)
Tapestry
Lower Decks

I can't figure out which of these I'd put in the last spot:


The Measure of a Man
The Enemy
Preemptive Strike
The Most Toys
The Offspring
The Defector
The Wounded
The Mind's Eye


Edit: I could have also listed I, Borg, The Pegasus, or Parallels. I can either drive myself crazy trying to come up with a "definitive" top ten or I can just say "The Inner Light is my favorite episode." Let's just go with the second option.

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My TNG favorites:

1. Yesterday's Enterprise
2. Best of Both Worlds
3. The Wounded
4. Reunion
5. Inner Light
6. Measure of a Man
7. Redemption
8. Unification
9. Deja Q
10. Family

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"Prodigy" the new Trek show aimed at kids:

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In Prodigy, six young outcasts know nothing about the ship they have commandeered – a first in the history of the Star Trek franchise, but over the course of their adventures together, they will each be introduced to Starfleet and the ideals it represents.


They're bringing back the Outrageous Okona!

https://trekmovie.com/2021/02/17/bil...-trek-prodigy/


And Janeway!


Executive Producer Alex Kurtzman: “Captain Janeway was held to a different standard than her predecessors. She was asked to embody an inhuman level of perfection in order to be accepted as ‘good enough’ by the doubters, but showed them all what it means to be truly outstanding. We can think of no better captain to inspire the next generation of dreamers on Nickelodeon, than she.”

https://www.tor.com/2020/10/08/kate-...omment-page-1/


First priority: bring back an obscure, unlikeable character from a 30 year old episode that everyone hates.

Second priority: Preemptively start crying that if you don't like Janeway you are a misogynist.



Great start, guys. I think I'll stick with something a little less gay like the original animated series.

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Nickelodeon already once tried to make a space exploration-type show in the style of Star Trek for kids.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Cases

They even got the black power ranger to be in it! Star power draw, man!

Only way I'm watching a Nickelodeon Star Trek show is if Moose is the captain.

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Seven seasons of her leading her crew in a revanchist crusade against Green Slime aliens.

In Space, No One Can Hear You Say "I Don't Know"

Alright, I'm going to give Babylon 5 one more shot. I think this will be the third time I've tried to get into the show after giving up on it in the first season of the original run.

I don't generally like to skip episodes in a series, but in this case I'm going to rely on this site's recommendation and pare season 1 down to just four episodes:

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/the-qu...t-of-babylon-5

If I find that I'm enjoying season two I will of course go back and watch those earlier episodes. Downloading now. Fingers crossed.




In Trek news:

They are making a Voyager documentary:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/t...-documentary#/


The DS9 Documentary "What We Left Behind" is available for free on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHixW9PLsAc

^ I managed about 5 minutes of it before I decided to turn it off before I started to hate everyone involved in the show.


The new Captain Pike series has started filming. They revealed several members of the cast recently too:

https://www.tor.com/2021/03/15/star-...-cast-members/


^ It would be nice if this show didn't suck but, y'know it's going to.

The behind-the-scenes team shares a lot of talent with the other current Trek shows: Akiva Goldsman (creator of Picard and a writer and producer on Discovery) serves as co-showrunner and wrote and directed the premiere episode of Strange New Worlds, which has a story by Goldsman, Discovery showrunner Alex Kurtzman (who oversees the Trek franchise for CBS), and Discovery executive producer Jenny Lumet.

No. **** those people. Keep them the hell away from this show.

I'm not sure how popular new Trek is. I'm not a fan, so I may be allowing my own bias get in the way, but there seems to be a fairly large number of people who don't care for it. I don't see the business sense of producing multiple shows with similar styles with the same creative teams. You would think this would lead to diminishing returns as opposed to throwing in a show or two that would specifically appeal to TOS and Berman era Trek fans. I understand that they are trying to grow their audience via their animated series and I have no problem with it even though I'm not the target audience. I just don't get what they're up to with their live action stuff.






Babylon Five Update: it has a lot of major problems, but the war episodes show some promise. A lot of people mention weak acting and low quality CGI, but my biggest gripe is the dialog. There are a lot of lines that Laurence Olivier couldn't put over.

My favorites from my (selected) watch of the first two seasons:

The Coming of Shadows
The Long Twilight Struggle




Again, I'm skipping 80% of the episodes, so I may not be giving the show a fair shake. I have watched all or most of season 1 before this though. There's way too much cheese, but I'm willing to give it a few more episodes.

I was OK with the Picard series even though the only real draw so far has been nostalgia. It was entertaining enough overall but there were some really shitty rough spots too. For me the shitty parts involved weaker story lines, underdeveloped or unsympathetic characters, and bad story telling. I did give the new cartoon a try and it wasn't horrible. I just don't really get into the, well, cartoon-y experience of cartoons like this. I binged the hell out of Rick And Morty. This one is just too much of a regular old cartoon for me. Discovery is pure shit in every way though and they plucked the only flower (the Pike ensemble) that ever grew out of that pile of manure to plant it in its own pot, so to speak. I'm still watching Enterprise and I've hit some cheesy weak episodes that remind me that this is an old TV show, but it's still very obviously better than Discovery in every single way that a TV show can be.

I never did get into Babylon 5. I tried but it was just never good enough to hold my attention. YMMV of course.

On Enterprise:

Season two is definitely the low point of the series. Brannon Braga and Rick Berman had stayed well past their primes. They simultaneously wanted writers to "do something new" while not deviating an inch from the Berman formula. A few example of how bereft of new ideas they were:

"Oasis" is a remake of DS9's Shadowplay
"Carbon Creek" is similar to parts of the Trek novel Strangers From the Sky
"Marauders" is Seven Samurai/Magnificent Seven
"Precious Cargo" feels a little like TNG's Perfect Mate
"Dawn" is Enemy Mine and Hell in the Pacific
"Judgment" is a Star Trek 6 homage
"Doctor's Orders" is a remake of the Voyager episode One.

"Stratagem" takes the cake though. It has a plot from a 1940s Roald Dahl short story Beware of the Dog that was later used in a Blackhawk comic from the 50s, the 60s James Garner movie 36 Hours, the Mission Impossible episode Operation Rogosh, the made-for-tv movie Breaking Point, the Star Trek novel Time Trap, and the G.I Joe episode There's No Place Like Springfield.

^ Truthfully, even though those episodes aren't very original, some of them are still pretty good. Season two does have a few episodes that I really like. Minefield, Dead Stop, and First Flight are all quite good, imo. If you can hold on till season three you will be rewarded with some better episodes.

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On Babylon 5:

The series has a reputation for great writing, but I just am not seeing it. J. Michael Straczynski has a tin ear when it comes to dialog. I do have to say that the last episode I watched, season three's "Passing Through Gethsemane" was pretty good. The direction by Adam Nimoy was much more creative than what you get in the first two seasons of the show which really helped. Secondly, Brad Dourif was the guest star and as far as I'm concerned that man can do no wrong. Thirdly, the sci-fi idea at the center of the episode - memory wipes and new identities for criminals - actually lead to some nice character moments. The problem, yet again, is Straczynski. He's got a nice episode going, but he doesn't respect his audience's intelligence and feels the need to spell things out for them at the story's climax. What should have been a powerful moment gets tarnished by the fact that a character has to point a giant blinking arrow to say "See, this is exactly what I was talking about in that scene from 15 minutes ago!" The pacing was off a little too; especially at the end. It just feels like he has too much story to tell but is afraid to cut out even the smallest scenes featuring the series' regulars even though it hurts the episode overall.




On Picard:

I actually dislike Picard a lot more than I do Discovery. I didn't go in with high expectations, but I did have a little hope that they might do something special with the series. The main problem is the writing, of course.

- You have a show that wants to utilize a serialized format but write a plot that goes in 5 different directions in a ten episode span.

- You have a show starring an octogenarian, but they insist on a lot of action sequences.

- You want to exploit the fact that you have one of the most popular characters in Trek history while simultaneously writing the character as if he is guilty of something and needs to be taken down a peg or twenty.

- Nostalgia. You bring back Riker just so you can have him bake a pizza. You bring back Troi so she remind the audience that she is still dispensing useless advice 30 years after the show went off the air. You bring back Seven of Nine, who has one of the best character arcs in Trek, and turn her into a shitty Sarah Conner clone. By all means bring these characters back, but you have to have writers who know why they were interesting to begin with and who know how to use them in interesting ways now.

- You cap off the season with a high concept/Big Idea ending but there are no writers capable of truly exploring big ideas.



I think they should have done a 180 from Discovery. Minimize the action scenes and eliminate the frenetic camera movements. The show should have been a character study of Picard. Introduce the fact that Picard is dying from the very beginning. Make this an exploration of the human spirit. Show me an episode with 40 minutes of conversation between a dying Picard and the newly resurrected Data about the meaning of life and what it means to be human. Give me an episode with Picard sitting in a park full of children in full "Remains of the Day" mode second guessing his relationships with Beverly Crusher, Vash, and Nella Daren. Give me an episode where he tries to fix the mistakes of the past. Maybe he has second thoughts about some of his Prime Directive decisions. Does he ever think of his family from The Inner Light? Does there memory assuage some of the pain he feels for sacrificing family life in the name of duty? Picard is about to shuffle of this mortal coil and Q doesn't make an appearance?

One last thing: this is likely Patrick Stewart's last major role - let the man act. Give me Shakespeare, Marlowe, and Milton. Give me Dylan Thomas's "Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night." Give me a final scene with Patrick Stewart reciting a piece from Tennyson's "Ulysses"


Death closes all: but something ere the end,
Some work of noble note, may yet be done,
Not unbecoming men that strove with Gods.
The lights begin to twinkle from the rocks:
The long day wanes: the slow moon climbs: the deep
Moans round with many voices. Come, my friends,
'T is not too late to seek a newer world.
Push off, and sitting well in order smite
The sounding furrows; for my purpose holds
To sail beyond the sunset, and the baths
Of all the western stars, until I die.
It may be that the gulfs will wash us down:
It may be we shall touch the Happy Isles,
And see the great Achilles, whom we knew.
Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

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Ugh. I am so sick of time travel plotlines. :(

I'm a sucker for the Q Continuum. I'm in.

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Had to go back and rewatch. I closed befor the Q. :D OK, I'll see where it goes!

Good god, they are continuing on with this crap. They embarrassed themselves with that crap last year.

Yep. There's really no point in watching unless there is a massive overhaul of the writing room and show runners.

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The whole show needs to be tightened up. I'll still give it a shot but better writers and a better showrunner would be welcome.

Yeah love me some Picard but after that first season your opinions is probably the same as the other 95% of Star Trek fans.

You would think so, but the new shows seem to be pretty popular on the Trek forums. There is a very large segment of the fan base that simply loves anything with the Star Trek label on it. I think the studio knows this so they really don't have an incentive to turn out a better product.

Matt Shakman, fresh off the billion Emmy nominations for WandaVision, has just signed on with Paramount and Bad Robot to helm the next Star Trek film. No word on cast or timeline yet, but it's being rushed into production early next year. Big deal for Paramount, apparently.

If this is true, they have a script and will bring back the Kelvin Timeline cast because otherwise, it would be impossible.

With Bad Robot involved, I'd be absolutely floored if they re-cast the Abrams Star Trek crew.

And here's confirmation from literally 2 minutes ago:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Very excited that Matt Shakman from WandaVision is going to direct the next Trek movie — and that the reboot cast is also coming back. I wonder if they’re still going with the idea of bringing back Hemsworth. I would rather they move on from Kirk’s daddy issues. <a href="https://t.co/GzzqEWmJ4O">pic.twitter.com/GzzqEWmJ4O</a></p>&mdash; Jim Vejvoda (@JimVejvoda) <a href="https://twitter.com/JimVejvoda/status/1415108210071982080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Awesome news! It’s funny to think that this cast will have spent at least us much time playing these characters on the big screen as the original cast did.

1979 to 1991. Original cast.

2009 to 2022. New cast.

Well, it's four movies with the new cast versus six with the original but I get your drift. I would be kinda shocked if this film was released in summer 2022 and it'll most likely be during the holiday season or Spring 2023.

The best part about this is that the cast could conceivably continue for decades.

Yes. Good point

That's good news. Chris Pine was well cast as Kirk, so it would have been a shame to waste that.

Oh hell yes! This is great news.

Pine, Karl Urban, and Zachary Quinto all nail the Star Trek "big three". Zoe Saldana, John Cho, and Simon Pegg all do very well with their adaptations (even if I could do without the Spock/Uhura romance).

And RIP Anton Yelchin. His Chekov took me a couple of viewings to adapt to, but by the end of the third flick he WAS Chekov.

Very true. They all surpassed any expectations I had going into that series of films and did a good job with those characters.

Sucks that Anton Yelchin died from such a freak accident (that was literally some Final Destination shit ) He was so damn talented and is dearly missed. RIP Anton .

**** yeah. The only thing I enjoy more than shitty CBS All Access Trek is braindead big Hollywood Trek.

LENSFLARES!

Yep, they got the casting in place. Need better scripts and stories.

Still would love to see Chris Pine mother**** some Klingons in a Tarantino Star Trek flick, lol.

If Paramount was smart (and they're clearly not), they'd be cranking out Star Trek movies every 2-3 years. There's a massive wealth of stories that could be told, from the original series to the animated 70's to the hundreds of novels and so on.

Good stories and plots exist. They just need to hire someone to run the show because Abrams left them cold and was too reliant in the second film on TOS.

That's the frustrating part - fans are lining up to watch mostly subpar crap on the streaming service because they're starved for Star Trek content and are willing to deal with it. Paramount would be well served to throw some resources towards the film side and do them up right. IMHO, of course.

Yeah, Paramount is like the exact opposite of Warner Brother/DC: Paramount just sits on their IP while WB/DC just churns shit out in every format, whether it's animated, LEGO, TV series and feature films, just to see what sticks.

It's almost as if the studio doesn't even like Star Trek.

Not sure how the world would react to the first “Mother****er” and N word In a Trek film?

yep let Tarantino’s Kirk **** up some Klingons would be fantastic.

I honestly don't know that I trust Tarantino with Star Trek. He's just a little bit too.... out there. Actually, he's a lot too out there.

Supposedly he’s only got one movie left, it’s not going to be a Kirk movie. That time has passed.

I listened to a very good show about how TNG got started and how they cast the show.

Roddenberry hated Patrick Stewart as Captain.

Gordi LaForge was named after a huge trek fan that was blind.

Gene R wanted the captain to be unemotional because he believed that brashness and emotion would be a thing of the past in the future.

Q was only supposed to a single shot character, but was so loved that they brought him back.

Jeffrey Combs was going to be a one-off as Weyoun on DS9, but he's so awesome they wrote that the Vorta were clones so they could bring him back.

I REALLY REALLY hope they get a great villain this time around. Played by a really great actor. Who that would be ? No clue

Finishing up my read of "Leonard" by Bill Shatner.

Great book. Lots of interesting stuff. Did not know both Nimoy and his son were alcoholics.

Nimoy was a very high-functioning alcoholic. He was literally on the drink almost every day he was shooting TOS.

My Dad drank a case of beer every single day for 30 years. Never missed a day of work. Used that as a justification that he doesn't have a problem.

The best villains have a Broadway background in acting.

Was there a chapter on how Nimoy got so sick of Shatner's shit that he didn't speak to him for years prior to his death?

What, nothing about Genesis?

Shatner is such a piece of shit. Did any of his co stars ever have anything nice to say about him when they weren't promoting something?



I read a new Trek novel the other day. "Shadows Have Offended." Pretty bland. They are supposed to be wrapping up the novelverse continuity at the end of this year. It's getting nuked to make room for Picard related stuff. The novels have sucked for the last few years but they were pretty good there for a while. As bad as they have been they were still better than the modern shows.

:facepalm:

Did he mistreat you at a fan convention or something?

I've hung out with Shatner dozens of times, whether it was at Residuals, when he hosted a karaoke night in the 90's, to running into him and his family at Jerry's Famous Deli, in which he was one the nicest and most polite "star" I've been around.

He was amazing on Howard Stern's show in the 90's and was outright ****ing hilarious as well.

The other cast members always came across as whiny, jealous bitches in regards to Shatner.

Did Shatner suck your dick, Dane? Wait - of course he didn't. If he had you would have told us a boring story about it a couple of million times by now.

p.s. Go **** yourself you d-list name dropping bundle of sticks.

There is much to admire about Shatner. He's 90 years old, looks like he's 70, and despite his age he still hustles his ass off. I certainly agree with your assessment of certain of the other cast members, particularly the odious Takei. You'd think the ****er was in an internment camp getting caned by Shatner last week to listen to him piss and moan.

I assume, however, that his endless hustling was what drove the final wedge between him and Nimoy. I don't think Bill has an off switch, and doesn't understand that other people do.

Ol' Bill just hustled himself a new gig on Russia Today. He doesn't have a problem working for the Kremlin and he can't understand that other people do.


It's not just one or two cast mates that say he is a dick, it's virtually all of them as well as some of the guest stars. Dude's a prick. He just happens to have played a character that everybody likes.


He's a good a human being as he is a singer:

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Is it bad that I look forward to these movies more than I do new seasons of Star Trek: Kurtzman?

I kind of feel alone on this, but Beyond was my favorite of the movie reboots, and that was the one that had the most "problems" with it in the shooting and editing. Simon Pegg did an amazing job when they asked him to piece together the crap they had filmed into some sort of story that you could follow and care about.

I have no idea if he's up to the job again, but I wouldn't mind seeing him involved as a producer of some sort.

LMAO

Such a fragile little girl

Yeah, because co-workers are never, ever jealous when one of their own rises above the rest.

You sound like a bitter old woman.

One thing that people forget that don't work as an actor for a living is that yes, these people are extremely competitive. It's obviously a different type of competition than sports but actors on that level don't just audition in order to get a gig, they audition in order to not only nail that gig but to turn it into a years long series or a role that will live on for decades.

Shatner was indeed a hustler. He turned his time on Stern's show into tens of millions via Priceline, in which he decided to take in stock instead of salary. He's constantly writing and performing and even had a failed CBS sitcom in the past decade.

The dude is a worker and hustler and has great respect in town, regardless of what his former cast members think of him, who outside of Nimoy, had little success outside of Star Trek.

So it's pretty obvious who was riding the coattails.

I know Doohan hated him, and obviously Takei does as well, but the rest seemed to keep it fairly quiet. I've never heard of Nichols saying anything shitty about him, and Koenig seems to know where his bread's buttered.

I've really just learned to loathe Takei. The way he whines about everything reminds me of what you once said about Henley - that no one who has enjoyed so much success has any right to be so miserable.

I mean, I kinda get it. He comes from a generation where he had to hide his sexual identity, so he’s probably bitter about a lot of that. I’m sure he encountered tons of racism too when he was young in the 40s to 60s.

Please, Mr McCloud won't you tell us again about the time you stood next to Jimmy "J.J." Walker at a urinal at Studio 54? I love the part when JJ says your dick sucking skills are "DY-NO-Mite!" Really, I never get tired of hearing your boring ass stories about living in Los Angeles. I mean how many people can claim to have actually lived in L.A.? Can be more than several million tops.


The only thing I like more is when you say something dumb (because you're an argumentative prick and can't help yourself) and then double down in it. Because you are as petty as you are stupid. A recent example is when I posted a pic from a movie that inspired the look of Indiana Jones and you spent time googling pics from 70 year old magazines to try to win an argument that no one was actually having. Good times.

He hasn't had to deal with any of those things for decades. In the meantime, he's become a wealthy man as well as a famous, cultural icon. You'd think at some point that would be enough.

You're better off not knowing anything about celebrities that you like. I know I should separate the artist from the art, but the human brain just doesn't work that way.



Edited to add a crappy Trek related photoshop pic I've been noodling with:

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Yeah, I still suck at PS, but the Youtube tutorial dude that BEP recommended has actually made me a tiny bit better. Still pretty iffy on vanishing points and perspective and such.

I'm sorry my words injured your tender labia.

Woman.

Yet you continue to talk out of your ass.

Big surprise.

And if you don't want to read my posts, put me on Ignore, you ****ing drooling Mongo.

Calling someone a "woman" is apparently the biggest insult this old queer can come up with.

You wanna go with me, ****?

I've been around CP for nearly 21 years and every so often, some know-nothing mouthy little ****, like yourself, has issue with the fact that I've lived and worked in Hollywood for nearly 30 years and share personal stories about my experiences.

95% or more of the people enjoy those stories and ask for insight into upcoming movies or past movies, music, etc. But every now and then, some mealy-mouthed ****ing twerp, again, like you, comes along and thinks that demeaning my stories somehow makes you "cool".

Well, ****tard, you're far from "cool". You're just another ****ing loser that somehow thinks that reading a book or an article about their favorite person is exactly the same as being in the room with said person, which couldn't be further from the truth.

You're just another in a long line of pissants that I've stepped on, so pull up your panties little girl because it's ON.

You're worthless ****ing **** and I almost feel sorry for the broke ass parents that raised your stupid ass.

Yeah, you're a bad mother****er alright. People are going to be talking about the time you called someone a "woman" for years. They're gonna be quoting that sick burn like you were Winston Churchill or Mark Twain or some shit.

So uhh.... I like Star Trek. Anybody else like Star Trek?