no photos on kcchiefs.com from today.

Can only assume he relapsed.

Just none of today's practice at all. Must be a rules thing.

Ah, okay maybe not a relapse then.

Jesus SNR chill! He sucked generally.

I'LL CHILL OUT WHEN I ****ING FEEL LIKE IT M8!!!!!!!!!!

you win.

This is, by far, the most interesting reclamation projection of the Veach era...Suggs was old but still useful in small doses. Bell was a product of the Steelers system...he's never produced anything since leaving. McCoy was declining and ball security kind of neutralized his impact.

Gordon's situation was never about talent, age or contract deputes...it was just self-inflicted ostracization and reliability. He also plays a position that the best QB in the world can directly utilize schematically. He put up crazy numbers without a PMII, Hill and Kelce....and Reid inventing plays for him.

This could be something...barring any off-field set-backs, he can easily be 1000 yard WR. It also royally ****s up what teams are currently doing to defend this offense...

I was kind of looking at his career...he's played 33 games since his 1650 yard year...so essentially only two full seasons and 110 receptions. That's pretty crazy...

Also, his 1650 year was over 14 games...he would have had almost 1900 yards over 16....going by YPG average. That would have put him 2nd all-time behind Megatron....it still netted him 15th in history.

Hello BlackOp

Did Bowe tape Clay to the ‘goalpost’ one crazy night in Minnesota?

Bowe is no different than someone like Tony Gonzalez. He just had a much worse supporting cast, and didn't have as long a career.

They both had similar levels of good-to-elite production at their best. They both never won a playoff game. But at least Bowe SHOWED UP in one of his playoff games.

But one is viewed completely different than the other because he played with a shit offense for a far greater period of his career.

Bowe's avg wins with Chiefs, average TD & yards/game from scrimmage: 6.1, .372, 60.6

TG's avg wins with Chiefs, average TD & yards/game from scrimmage: 7.9, 0.4 ,57.6

Oh, and he didn't SHIT ON THE FRANCHISE after he left. So he wins there.

Now go **** yourselves.

I really hope that Josh Gordon plays great and can play for Chiefs a couple of years without getting suspended again, but if these stats are accurate. His receptions per target percentage is suprisingly low for his career, even in his most productive years.

Playing with Mahomes should improve that a lot, but his production in most years is not much better than the guys already in the WR room.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...G/GordJo02.htm

His Yards per Reception is elite.

Gordon is going to have to earn playing time. I think Chiefs WR production will increase, but it will be all the guys, Gordon is not going to have many more catches than the guys already playing.

Catch percentage was 58.8 when he played with an elite QB on the Patriots.

Sammy Watkins 2019 catch percentage: 57.8.

He's going to be Sammy Watkins II, just not injured, and hopefully more explosive.

This,

His catch rate overall includes a bunch of horrible QB's. He is literally a more durable Sammy Watkins in my eyes.

I also think his 40 time is misleading. He is a long strider, I bet he is scooting when at full speed.

**** Tony G. I think he was overrated. And anytime your best offensive player is a TE, you're ****ed. So, even during the Priest years, we never had a legitimate #1 receiver, always 2 #2s. So...OF COURSE his numbers were great. Trent was trINT when he was trying to throw to WRs. in 2003 and 2004 he fed the ball to TG and the RBs. So Tony G had 104 catches in 2004, just because Trent had NOWHERE else to go with the ball. **** Tony G.

I'm glad Travis Kelce is already the best TE in Chiefs history, working on being the best TE in NFL history. **** Tony G.

Tony G and D Bowe were the same guy.

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So you think instead of being the greatest TE of all time he was maybe the 2nd or 3rd? How the **** was he overrated?????

There are a few outliers. Gronk and Kelce have won the big one and they were the best players on offense outside of QB but I think you are right. Most teams best offensive player is not the TE. Atlanta was insane to take Pitts at 4. Really stupid pick.

Bowe and Tony were not the same guy.

Gronk and Kelce have shown that there is more to being a TE than just being a freak athlete. They are both good athletes, and Kelce is a better one but there are plenty of guys who are faster, jump higher, and bigger at TE. They are both good because they understand where to sit down and end routes based on the defense they are facing.

MY GOODNESS.

ROFL

Sigh

BECAUSE HE SHIT ON THE ENTIRE FRANCHISE! **** HIM.

No shit. I felt that one in my soul, lol.

Asshole refused to sign my hat at training camp when I was just a kid.

Nobody else was around. It was his rookie year, before he had done jack ****ing shit in the league. I was just a kid going, "Mr. Gonzalez, could you sign my hat, please?" And the dude thought he was already NFL royalty or some shit.

Asshole gave me a look of contempt like I'm the scum of the earth, turns his back, and walks away.

I've always been cautious about rooting for Gonzalez. I loved all the catches and TDs and big plays he made. But these days I have zero energy for him as a fan, and it all kind of started when he got traded. Deep down, I wanted him to never win a playoff game.

When he's on TV these days and does his, "Geeeeee I don't know I'm loyal to BOTH Atlanta and Kansas City guuuuyyyzzzzz!!" dumb****ery, I have no love for the guy or fond memories.

Honestly, if somebody today said, "Hey, Tony Gonzalez is over there! Want to go talk to him," I'd decline the invitation. Because if I did encounter him, I'd want to kick him square in the nutsack instead of talking to him, and that would probably mean I'd get my ass kicked. So it'd be better if I just turn my back on him the way he turned his back on the kid version of me years ago.

Eat a dick, Tony. I hope October goes nuts and murders you with a kitchen knife.

Who wasn't shitting on the franchise back then?

That moment you go to Thumb Up a post and realize you already did.

Explains a lot... o:-)

I dont have any personal interactions with the guy so I can't say anything about him, but I can understand why someone would have a sour taste in their mouth about someone who did that on a personal level.

From where I'm sitting the guy played the majority of his career with a franchise who's best QB during his playing time was a few years with Trent Green. Not including his rookie year when he didnt start a single game, they had 2 seasons where they made the playoffs, losing both games, and only once won the division. The majority of the time the Chiefs were hovering around .500 or just complete dogshit in his last 2 seasons. With all of that said, he still holds the record for the most Pro-bowl selections for a TE, the most catches, the most yards, and 2nd in TDs. He is without a doubt the greatest TE to ever do it. I can't hate the guy for shitting on the franchise when I was doing it along with everyone else. The franchise sucked. They are only just now redeeming themselves for the ****ing decades of shit.

**** Tong G, Got it but he wasn't better than Gronk. Kelce is!

There's a number of stories around CP from Chiefs fans who say something similar regarding TG. While ive never met him, the way he handled his exodus gave credence to the stories shared by Chiefs fans who have met him.

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So its not that he was overrated its just that you are a butthurt little bitch. Got it.

I've probably told this story years ago but my sister was the live in nanny for Will Shields and his wife for several years. She cant say enough good things about them. She met his wife in classes at KC Wesleyan and they became friends and she ended up nannying for them.

Anyway she went to the ProBowl with them in 1997 I think it was and long story short she met some other players there and her least favorite was Derick Thomas. Said was a complete douche.

Maybe he was having bad week. :shrug:

DT was probably hungover after banging strippers.

I saw Tyson Jackson at Tengo Sed Cantina back in the day the night before a Sunday night game. He was having a good time.

I've heard nothing but good things about Trent Green, Will Shields, and Tony Richardson. Three all-time sweeties. I've met Tony, Jared Allen, Dante Hall, and Bernard Pollard, and they were all real nice!

I have had several friends that met Tony in, around KC and to a person they all said the same thing, when the cameras are off he's a total douche bag.
The only ones that sang a different tune were the few that either met him at a "Meet and Greet" or were in advertising and therefore had something to offer him. Those people told me he was quite the gentleman but to the average schmo on the street he's an ass.

LMAO I wouldn't go quite that far but I have no use for him and find it funny how now that the Chiefs are contenders he wants to claim a love for Chiefs Kingdom.

This is accurate

I sat at the same table at some Special Olympics fundraiser thing with Nick Lowery and Mike Bell. It was the Monday after the 1982 strike (when we were scheduled to have our first prime time game in forever that Thursday against Atlanta).

They were both very nice. Nick Lowery spent like an hour explaining the players' position in the strike to my mom.

Nick Lowery left before I could get his autograph. So my mom sent him a letter, and he sent me back a nice autograph that said "Kick as high as you can!' with a drawing of a football going through the goalposts. I wondered if he thought I was one of the special olympians.

Okay, maybe the last part was a joke. But I AM rooting like hell for Kelce to break Tony's career marks.

The only likely barrier in his way is longevity. Tony played 17 seasons and stayed 100% healthy for just about all of them.. Travis is on season #9 (really only season #8 since his first year was the injury). He can see a little bit of slow down in his production as he gets older and he'll still likely shatter Tony's marks in receptions and yards. He's behind on TDs, and he'll need 2-3 seasons of double digit TDs to get caught up, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

Again, the biggest hurdle is longevity, and that's only because that's a giant unknown. Nobody knows how dudes will age in NFL years. But given his current trajectory, there's nothing else standing in his way.

I think the fact that Tony wound up on one of the soulless awful network pregame shows says something. You get paid a ton to sit there and look pretty and say like 50 words the whole hour. At least if you go into broadcasting like Romo you get to express yourself.

I asked a guy who worked in the industry and he estimated Gonzalez gets paid about $2M per year to just sit there. He said they were grooming him to replace Bradshaw as the head guy - whatever that means other than moving over to the left. But i guess that didn't happen.

I have that exact autograph on a hat, but I had a buddy get the signature for me. Maybe my buddy said I was a special Olympian?:hmmm:

I have a similar autograph. Maybe he always signed that way, with the Y looking like goalposts and a ball going through it with a dotted line behind.

Bro, I’ve shared this many times on here, but I went to every training camp from 2002-present (exception being covid 2020) and every year Tony would avoid signing for anyone and even went as far as to mess with the kids at camp by starting to walk over to the crowd of kids chanting his name with outstretched arms asking for moments if his time to sign something they could put on there wall to always remember…he would get 15-20 feet away and then wave and jog off. He was the worst I have ever seen at it. He literally couldn’t give a shit about fans, at all.

Perception isn’t always reality with these guys.

You know who would stay after every practice and take pictures and sign for every kid? Larry Johnson. That dude would still be out there 45 minutes after practice most days. He genuinely loved being a Chief and loved that part of his fandom. It’s a shame he had a drinking problem and made horrible choices when under the influence.

Nicest Chiefs I've ever met out in the wild were Jamaal and Eric Berry.

Berry was a rookie, recently drafted and before his first training camp, just walking downtown by himself, passing my buddy and I on the sidewalk one afternoon. We were both like "Oh shit! Eric Berry!" and he stopped and talked with us for like 5 minutes, which is really an eternity for that type of scenario. Asked about different places to go, restaurants, parts of town, etc. Was a super cool guy.

Jamaal I've bumped into like 5-6 times both in KC and in Austin, and the few times I've talked to him, he couldn't have been nicer.

I’ll co-sign those, as well. Both were very humble anytime we chatted. Same with Tamba Hali…even though he was a tad hard to understand.

Another guy that belongs toward the top of the list of best players for fans…Tyreek Hill. Dude LOVES the fans. The security needs to tell him to leave most days because he’d sign all day if allowed. Plus, I’m SHOCKED they haven’t had him run some wildcat packages because dude is VERY accurate as a thrower and we already know how good he is as a runner.

When the QBs end practice with throwing drills, Tyreek routinely slides over after they’re done and does the same drills for the fans and is exceptional as a passer.

Chris Jones is also amazing with the fans. He will borrow a fans phones snd do a 40 second video getting the crowd pumped up before posing with them on the video and taking a selfie before giving the phone back…not since covid protocols, but I e seen him do this 3 or 4 times.

I still can't get over DRob catching a pass at the 26 yard line and then running backwards immediately for a -5 yard RAC I wasn't even mad... I just laughed becuase I've exhausted all other emotions and reactions to him

gf is prego

we like to get kinky anyways

one night things get particularly saucy

i'm sticking my noodle in her when I notice weird ****ing chunks coming out, so I turn on the lights

wtf it's red everywhere and she's obviously not on her period

i look up at her, she's got a glassy, jarred look on her face and she's not answering

ohshitohshitohshitohshit

i rush her into my car and speed all the way to the hospital

she's still bleeding everywhere

by the time we get there, she's not bleeding much anymore, but all the color has drained and she looks colorless and almost transparent

oh shit, she looks like she's in a vegetative state

storm into to the emergency room, cary her to the nearest doctor and explain eveything

he takes one look at her and says

"sir, i'm sorry, there's nothing we can do"

"WHY THE **** NOT???"

"we don't operate on empty jars of spaghetti sauce"

Oh.

**** it, Gordon’s butt cheeks down there somewhere. /mahomes

LMAO LMAO I didn't see that last sentence coming.

Ok.

Berry was a regular when I worked on Main Street. Super nice guy.

He would stay and talk. He would even ask about my family and plans for the weekend/holiday.

Completely humble.

It saddens me that so many people hate him now because of his last season.

Me too. It's not his freaking fault cancer broke his body down.

He was clearly done. He probably had no business being on the team that last season.

Hard Knocks showed him to be pretty smart. Drugs are powerful.


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ya I agree with that. Berry could have gone down as one of the greatest. Cancer, injuries derailed his career. But when he was healthy, he was GREAT.

Yea, it’s one thing to be annoyed at the time by all of it, but it’s another to hate the guy because of it.

He was elite until his body failed him. He would have been an all timer.

A big part of it is that our society views addiction as a moral failing.

Been there.

Lack of empathy.

For those who do NOT struggle with addiction, it’s easy to compare themself and their choices to an addict and judge them weak or inadequate because they can’t just … not … like it may be easy for the non-addict.

We’re a square hole society. Too many squares do not accept the differences in the round pegs.

Makes sense to me. He always played like he had been up all night partying.

It's more than that. There is a severe lack of understanding about addiction and how it works.

True. Lack of empathy prevents many from seeking to understand, too.

If safeties are going to play high and play us conservative, quick slants and screens to Gordon will be there all ****ing day

Would be great to be able to do that along with having a RB who could break tackles and take it to the house with the Safeties out if the way...

Clyde can break tackles he just doesn’t have the speed to turn a 10-yard gain into a house call.

These type of experiences are told many times, so the general idea of these interactions with him have to be true.

I have a total different experience with Tony G. that I've also posted on here several times. I did some work for his charity while doing some Chiefs Coalition stuff. I spent hours with him. I went to his home on the plaza 3 times. October brought me drinks while we were planning logistics of the charity event, couldn't have been nicer having a stranger in her home. I saw him at the charity events sign everything for a long time. Just my experience.

People aren't mad at Berry for his last season. Berry came back from Cancer and had 3 good season. 2 under contract, 1 under a tagged contract.

He got pissed because the team didn't offer him as much as he thought he was worth. He got pissed because the team wanted him to take out an insurance policy about future Cancer. He was insulted. Berry went to Reid and got him to go over John Dorsey's head. Clark Hunt flew up to KC and negotiated the contract. Dorsey wanted to keep Houston, Reid kept Berry instead and got Dorsey fired.

Reid/Hunt agreed to a contract with Berry for 6yrs/78m w/40 million guaranteed.

Berry played 3 more games as a chiefs after signing huge contract. He retiring, leaving 8m per year in year in dead money for the next 2 years.

He also made the comment in his last season that seems to sum up his desire to play anymore after getting paid. "I felt like I probably could have come back last week(from heal injury)but I'm hesitant, didn't feel it in my spirit so I just said I'll wait"

That's why the fans are pissed, he fought for a big contract, created a battler between the HC and GM, then quit immediately. Played 3 games for like 40 million dollars.

Let's not just wash over all the other crap that happen. It wasn't just 1 year.

That might fly if he ditched us and went to another team. His sudden disappearance from football makes me think there's something way deeper. I think the injuries ****ed him up mentally just as much as physically.

Berry **** the Chiefs and made no effort to play. He's an asshole.

I thought i remember him visiting the Colts.
Thought I read a blurb about him possibly reuniting with Houston since they was buddies?

Clyde does not break many. What he does is carry the pile forward for a few yards after he gets caught by everyone.

Cowboys. He didn't sign

I wonder if that’s why he acts like he has some “fear of horses?”

Mahomes loves throwing those quick slants to Kelce.

Imagine having 2 chain movers in the middle of the field....

Colts were a rumor, too.

I think it's clear his body is done. He and his agent made a big deal about coming back "stronger than ever" in both 2020 and 2021 and he didn't sign with the teams he was connected to.

I remember during the 2019 season a doctor had commented on Berry that our bodies sometimes don't heal the same way after extensive chemo. I just don't think he ever bounced back from his achilles tear and he could never play with the same intensity.

The idea that he planned to bounce after signing the contract doesn't hold water with me. The dude erased Gronk his prime in one of his greatest performances ever. I just don't think his body was able to recover from that injury that day. The Chiefs recognized that and cut him, and they were called "cold" at the time, but the fact he hasn't signed since shows that this was the right call.

Where the Colts stuff may have come from.

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2020/2/...ety-eric-berry