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Prison Bitch 10-26-2020 04:02 PM

We should be glad he didn’t choose Vegas. He’d have made them a SB threat too.


Of course folks here would be all “Dude Vegas was loaded with talent. Top RB, great TE, and speed WR, I mean like bro who COULDNT make them 12-4”?

Just Passin' By 10-26-2020 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15276838)
And 30 interceptions.

And a losing record

Just Passin' By 10-26-2020 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tyecopeland (Post 15276848)
Brady went to a team with tons of weapons and a good to great defense. I wouldn't write belichek out for one down year. If he still is doing poorly the next two seasons then I'll agree it was brady.

Also he had the most key players opt out due to covid of any team

Brady went to a team that hasn't been above .500 since 2016 and, prior to that, hadn't been above .500 since 2010.

BWillie 10-26-2020 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15277623)
It isn't about the team.

We're talking about QB's vs. coaches.

Several teams have won Super Bowls with great QB's and mediocre coaches. The most recent that comes to mind is Denver in 2015.

Wat

Denver had the worst QB in the league in 2015 and won because of a historic defense.

Peyton Manning was the worst QB in the league that year, the very worst.

T34 out of 34 QB's in QB rating. He was out of the league after. He got lucky. Denver pulled his ass to a free Super Bowl. He deserved one though before, and didn't get one. Didn't deserve it that year and got one. Funny how that happens.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...15/passing.htm

BWillie 10-26-2020 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 15277886)
Belichick has a losing record as a HC without Tom Brady.

I still can't get over how ****ing stupid we were to pick up Matt Cassel. Brady goes 16-0. The next year they go 10-6 with Matt Cassel. Sooooo Matt Cassel is SIX ****ING GAMES worse than Tom Brady in one year...and we think that is..good?

I blame the Belichick coaching tree and New England for that nonsense.

htismaqe 10-26-2020 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 15278212)
I still can't get over how ****ing stupid we were to pick up Matt Cassel. Brady goes 16-0. The next year they go 10-6 with Matt Cassel. Sooooo Matt Cassel is SIX ****ING GAMES worse than Tom Brady in one year...and we think that is..good?

Pioli!

Just Passin' By 10-26-2020 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 15276958)
Oh, no question about that. At all. Said another way, a good coach can't win a Super Bowl without good players but good players can win a Super Bowl without a good coach.

I might imagine that for the bulk of the relationship, Belichick benefitted more from Brady than the reverse. But more recently - like in the season where they beat us in the AFCCG and the following one - Brady probably benefitted more from Belichick's defense mind as his physical skills declined.

LMAO

BWillie 10-26-2020 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15278213)
Pioli!

I hate clam chowder.

I hate harvard.

I hate wicked anything.

Will Hunting was a ****ing punk and Robin Williams should have drowned him in the lake by that park.

htismaqe 10-26-2020 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 15278226)
I hate clam chowder.

I hate harvard.

I hate wicked anything.

Will Hunting was a ****ing punk and Robin Williams should have drowned him in the lake by that park.

LMAO

tyecopeland 10-26-2020 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 15278197)
Brady went to a team that hasn't been above .500 since 2016 and, prior to that, hadn't been above .500 since 2010.

So because they were under .500 (7-9 mind you) Chris godwin and Mike Evans aren't great wrs? Barrett, jpp. Vea, suh aren't good players because the team finished a game below. 500?

Red Dawg 10-26-2020 07:06 PM

One good thing is the shithead Pats fans are gone. They are done and Bill isn't going back the Bowl ever. Players will not line up and take pay cuts for them anymore. That day is dead. They are now regular ole nothing.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-26-2020 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tyecopeland (Post 15278515)
So because they were under .500 (7-9 mind you) Chris godwin and Mike Evans aren't great wrs? Barrett, jpp. Vea, suh aren't good players because the team finished a game below. 500?

Well, you aren't committing 40 turnovers with Brady. Talent means jack shit with poor execution

htismaqe 10-26-2020 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tyecopeland (Post 15278515)
So because they were under .500 (7-9 mind you) Chris godwin and Mike Evans aren't great wrs? Barrett, jpp. Vea, suh aren't good players because the team finished a game below. 500?

QB is by far the most important position on the field and it's not even close.

O.city 10-26-2020 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15278632)
QB is by far the most important position on the field and it's not even close.

They should take it out of his hands and run it more

:)

Megatron96 10-26-2020 08:11 PM

All the evidence supports the idea that the coach is more important than the player, even the QB.

Consider this: It's 1999-2000. The six QBs drafted before Brady were: Chad Pennington, Giovanni Carmazzi (sp?),Chris Redman, Tee Martin, Marc Bulger and Spergon Wynn. could any one of those guys have filled in for the Patriots in 200-2004 or so?

At the very least, Marc Bulger, right?

Now same thing, but this time take away Belichick. Install Freddie Kitchens. Or Lane Kiffen. Hue Jackson. Chris Palmer. Romeo Crennel. And so on. Do they win a SB? Almost definitely not.

Football is the most coach-reliant sport in the world. Without decent coaching, the talent on the field has almost no chance of succeeding. Just see CLE last season with Kitchens. MIA when Gase was there. NYJ with Gase now. WAS with Jay Gruden. And so forth.

Meanwhile, a really good to great coach can take just decent talent and find ways to put together a winning season, or even get their team into the playoffs. Sometimes even SBs.


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