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ToxSocks 09-30-2021 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15863858)
Clay isn’t lying about Bowe being the only reason to watch a game.

He really was for me.

Yup.

RunKC 09-30-2021 12:40 PM

They saw this bullshit and knew they needed a change. This was really bad

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don’t know if another QB could have thrown a ball that on point against that kind of wind. Pringle has to catch that one with the game on the line. I know the safety is coming but frustrating. <a href="https://t.co/5U8qTTAVgA">pic.twitter.com/5U8qTTAVgA</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1443055605942571009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mahomes waiting for Pringle’s route to develop. Smith gets beat on his inside shoulder. Mahomes stands tall in the pocket to deliver the ball. And yes Hardman does get open after the ball is out but Mahomes would had to evade left to buy more time. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://t.co/wLojO5ikaj">pic.twitter.com/wLojO5ikaj</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1443031192018821124?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

ptlyon 09-30-2021 12:42 PM

I'm really starting to think DB was Clay's first lay out of Jr high

Skyy God 09-30-2021 12:43 PM

Pringles made a business decision.

Sassy Squatch 09-30-2021 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15863858)
Clay isn’t lying about Bowe being the only reason to watch a game.

He really was for me.

Granted, I didn't live in the KC area during his prime so I may have missed a game or two but I really don't remember him being THAT spectacular. Charles was the guy I wanted to watch. Granted, I've also blocked that part of his career out of my mind thanks to Cassel/Haley/Pioli.

Kiimo 09-30-2021 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15863863)
They saw this bullshit and knew they needed a change. This was really bad

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don’t know if another QB could have thrown a ball that on point against that kind of wind. Pringle has to catch that one with the game on the line. I know the safety is coming but frustrating. <a href="https://t.co/5U8qTTAVgA">pic.twitter.com/5U8qTTAVgA</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1443055605942571009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mahomes waiting for Pringle’s route to develop. Smith gets beat on his inside shoulder. Mahomes stands tall in the pocket to deliver the ball. And yes Hardman does get open after the ball is out but Mahomes would had to evade left to buy more time. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://t.co/wLojO5ikaj">pic.twitter.com/wLojO5ikaj</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1443031192018821124?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



That is infuriating.

staylor26 09-30-2021 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15863872)
Granted, I didn't live in the KC area during his prime so I may have missed a game or two but I really don't remember him being THAT spectacular. Charles was the guy I wanted to watch. Granted, I've also blocked that part of his career out of my mind thanks to Cassel/Haley/Pioli.

I definitely wouldn’t describe him as spectacular, and the end of his tenure wasn’t fun, but he was an exciting young player in the early years.

He was a 1st round pick that had immediate success, and even had that 14 TD season.

I think it says more about how bad we were that he was the only reason to watch, but it’s definitely the truth.

It was definitely similar with Jamaal, but yea, Bowe wasn’t quite that good.

ThaVirus 09-30-2021 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15863863)
They saw this bullshit and knew they needed a change. This was really bad

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don’t know if another QB could have thrown a ball that on point against that kind of wind. Pringle has to catch that one with the game on the line. I know the safety is coming but frustrating. <a href="https://t.co/5U8qTTAVgA">pic.twitter.com/5U8qTTAVgA</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1443055605942571009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mahomes waiting for Pringle’s route to develop. Smith gets beat on his inside shoulder. Mahomes stands tall in the pocket to deliver the ball. And yes Hardman does get open after the ball is out but Mahomes would had to evade left to buy more time. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://t.co/wLojO5ikaj">pic.twitter.com/wLojO5ikaj</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1443031192018821124?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

**** me. If the OL holds there that's a walk-in TD for Hardman.

ToxSocks 09-30-2021 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15863863)
They saw this bullshit and knew they needed a change. This was really bad

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don’t know if another QB could have thrown a ball that on point against that kind of wind. Pringle has to catch that one with the game on the line. I know the safety is coming but frustrating. <a href="https://t.co/5U8qTTAVgA">pic.twitter.com/5U8qTTAVgA</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1443055605942571009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mahomes waiting for Pringle’s route to develop. Smith gets beat on his inside shoulder. Mahomes stands tall in the pocket to deliver the ball. And yes Hardman does get open after the ball is out but Mahomes would had to evade left to buy more time. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://t.co/wLojO5ikaj">pic.twitter.com/wLojO5ikaj</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1443031192018821124?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That's that shit i was talking about with Hardman and his inability to catch a ball above his shoulders.

Watching Gordon last night that's the play that popped in my head. Gordon can adjust and catch that. Gordon catches that football.

staylor26 09-30-2021 12:52 PM

Both of those were Pringle drops.

Pitt Gorilla 09-30-2021 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 15863878)
**** me. If the OL holds there that's a walk-in TD for Hardman.

Yup. Line and Pringle completely ****ed the Chiefs/Pat here.

ThaVirus 09-30-2021 12:54 PM

That clip is actually why I'm OK with Mahomes bailing from the pocket. If he was able to get out of there and extend that play for another second, he'd have seen Hardman there for the big play.

I don't think this OL is that great yet.

Hammock Parties 09-30-2021 12:56 PM

Hardman is going to torch some ****ers this year.

ptlyon 09-30-2021 12:57 PM

When?

ToxSocks 09-30-2021 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15863895)
Hardman is going to torch some ****ers this year.

As long as he has time to look the ball in and it hits him right in the numbers. Or his ankles. He'll catch it if you throw it at his ankles. Just don't throw it above the neck.

Easy 6 09-30-2021 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 15863889)
That clip is actually why I'm OK with Mahomes bailing from the pocket. If he was able to get out of there and extend that play for another second, he'd have seen Hardman there for the big play.

I don't think this OL is that great yet.

They’re already some run mauling sumbitches, but yes they do still need polish and chemistry in pass pro

Chiefnj2 09-30-2021 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15863882)
That's that shit i was talking about with Hardman and his inability to catch a ball above his shoulders.

Watching Gordon last night that's the play that popped in my head. Gordon can adjust and catch that. Gordon catches that football.

Gordon can catch that ball in one hand while holding a blunt in his other hand.

ToxSocks 09-30-2021 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15863884)
Both of those were Pringle drops.

**** you're right, my bad.

Bowser 09-30-2021 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15863809)
**** off, he scored 14 TDs one year.

*15

Hammock Parties 09-30-2021 01:06 PM

Bowe had 1,000 yards as a rookie in 07 with complete shit QBs...I mean complete shit. And terrible coaches.

The boy was balling.

08 he was even better

09 was a struggle, he had some injuries, but you could see the talent was there, and then Haley put a turbo on that mother****er for three years, DESPITE Cassel being a shitfest.

Then I think he got a little lazy and never really took to Reid's offense that well, him being the only decent WR didn't help, of course neither did Smiff.

Dwayne Bowe, above all else, was fun. He made catches as a Chiefs we hadn't seen from a Chiefs WR in ages, and haven't seen since.

Gary Cooper 09-30-2021 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15863940)
Bowe had 1,000 yards as a rookie in 07 with complete shit QBs...I mean complete shit. And terrible coaches.

The boy was balling.

08 he was even better

09 was a struggle, he had some injuries, but you could see the talent was there, and then Haley put a turbo on that mother****er for three years, DESPITE Cassel being a shitfest.

Then I think he got a little lazy and never really took to Reid's offense that well, him being the only decent WR didn't help, of course neither did Smiff.

Dwayne Bowe, above all else, was fun. He made catches as a Chiefs we hadn't seen from a Chiefs WR in ages, and haven't seen since.

He was also a physical receiver that could truck defenders.

Tribal Warfare 09-30-2021 01:09 PM

Like Osemele with OL, if Gordon does well will it change the archetype that the Chiefs look for in WR. Excluding the weed habit

Hammock Parties 09-30-2021 01:11 PM

THIS catch was so good.

https://titansized.com/files/2013/02/5610152.jpg

https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/i...db09105242.jpg

But man, he never had SHIT at QB...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...TeVQ-uoCnOQdqw

penguinz 09-30-2021 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15863882)
That's that shit i was talking about with Hardman and his inability to catch a ball above his shoulders.

Watching Gordon last night that's the play that popped in my head. Gordon can adjust and catch that. Gordon catches that football.

Neither of those videos was Hardman.

Sassy Squatch 09-30-2021 01:15 PM

Wasn't there a TD catch where he "stole" it from Gonzales?

Wilson8 09-30-2021 01:16 PM

I think comparing Dwayne Bowe and Josh Gordon is an interesting comparison.

Dwayne Bowe - 6-2, 221 pounds, 4.51, 40 time, 55.9 career catch %
Josh Gordon - 6-3, 225 pounds, 4.52, 40 time, 53.5 career catch %

I think if Gordon can return to form, he will help, but his catch rate concerns me.

The Chiefs are in a 4th and 5. Patrick rolls out and throws a pass to Josh that hits him in the hands and he drops it.

Tyreek Hill - 67.3 career catch %
Travis Kelce - 71.3 career catch %
Demarcus Robinson - 64.9 career catch %
Byron Pringle - 69.8 career catch %
Mecole Hardman - 66.1 career catch %

Stats from www.pro-football-reference.com

Bowser 09-30-2021 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15863971)
Wasn't there a TD catch where he "stole" it from Gonzales?

Sounds right. His rookie season, maybe?

And dammit all - GonzaleZ

rabblerouser 09-30-2021 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 15863870)
Pringles made a business decision.

He ain't got the money to make that decision. Deion Sanders could make those business decisions. Not Byron "Tater Chip" Pringle.

rabblerouser 09-30-2021 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15863971)
Wasn't there a TD catch where he "stole" it from Gonzales?

Chicago 2007.

I was at that game, I had just moved to Chicago.

rabblerouser 09-30-2021 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15863957)

I mean, wasn't he one of the WRs who didn't catch a single TD under Reid one year?

But Matt Casshole threw him like 15 TDs in 2010?

Odd stat.

Hammock Parties 09-30-2021 01:24 PM

Matt had a hell of a lot more balls than Alex sometimes. He would force shit in.

Bowser 09-30-2021 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 15863979)
I think comparing Dwayne Bowe and Josh Gordon is an interesting comparison.

Dwayne Bowe - 6-2, 221 pounds, 4.51, 40 time, 55.9 career catch %
Josh Gordon - 6-3, 225 pounds, 4.52, 40 time, 53.5 career catch %

I think if Gordon can return to form, he will help, but his catch rate concerns me.

The Chiefs are in a 4th and 5. Patrick rolls out and throws a pass to Josh that hits him in the hands and he drops it.

Tyreek Hill - 67.3 career catch %
Travis Kelce - 71.3 career catch %
Demarcus Robinson - 64.9 career catch %
Byron Pringle - 69.8 career catch %
Mecole Hardman - 66.1 career catch %

Stats from www.pro-football-reference.com

Interesting, but I think those numbers come down directly to the QB's throwing them the ball.

Bowe's QB's -
2007 and '08 - complete poop
2009 to '15 - Matt Cassel and Alex Smith

Gordon's QB's -
2012 - Brandon Weeden
2013 - Jason Campbell and Brandon Weeden
2014 - Brian Hoyer and Johnny Manziel
2017 - Deshone Kizer and Kevin Hogan

Neither player had anyone even sniff the ability of Mahomes throwing them the ball (minus Brady of course, but his time there was very short).

DJ's left nut 09-30-2021 01:32 PM

My lasting memory of Bowe will be him not dragging his foot in Indy because he was on cruise control at that point.

Drag your !@#$ing toe, man. You were OOB by half a shoe after taking a full stride - it wouldn't have taken much at all to pull that in and snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

rabblerouser 09-30-2021 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 15863889)
That clip is actually why I'm OK with Mahomes bailing from the pocket. If he was able to get out of there and extend that play for another second, he'd have seen Hardman there for the big play.

I don't think this OL is that great yet.

No, but an Oline need time together to develop the chemistry and communication needed to be an effective unit. In fact, that is what separates the truly great Olines from average or good - Tait, Waters, Weizmann, and Shields were together FOREVER, which is how when we traded for Willie Roaf and kicked Tait to RT, the Oline was SO ****ING GOOD.

None of these guys starting had ever met before this year, and we're only coming up on week 4. Give them time. Give Gordon time.

We want to peak in December, not September.

I'm so not worried about the offense.

This defense though 😳

Bowser 09-30-2021 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15864033)
My lasting memory of Bowe will be him not dragging his foot in Indy because he was on cruise control at that point.

Drag your !@#$ing toe, man. You were OOB by half a shoe after taking a full stride - it wouldn't have taken much at all to pull that in and snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

Hey, thanks for dredging that memory up out of the pit! :facepalm:

rabblerouser 09-30-2021 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15864033)
My lasting memory of Bowe will be him not dragging his foot in Indy because he was on cruise control at that point.

Drag your !@#$ing toe, man. You were OOB by half a shoe after taking a full stride - it wouldn't have taken much at all to pull that in and snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

DBowe never came through in the biggest games. Or on late night runs to Sonic.

The Franchise 09-30-2021 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 15864036)
Hey, thanks for dredging that memory up out of the pit! :facepalm:

I got so drunk that game that my parents left the house we were at because I was in total meltdown mode.

rabblerouser 09-30-2021 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 15864012)

Bowe's QB's -
2007 and '08 - complete poop
2009 to '15 - Matt Cassel and Alex Smith

Gordon's QB's -
2012 - Brandon Weeden
2013 - Jason Campbell and Brandon Weeden
2014 - Brian Hoyer and Johnny Manziel
2017 - Deshone Kizer and Kevin Hogan

That's horrific.

rabblerouser 09-30-2021 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15864041)
I got so drunk that game that my parents left the house we were at because I was in total meltdown mode.

I sat in stunned silence, just as I had in a few Indy playoff games previous. Same as the TEN playoff game.

The Franchise 09-30-2021 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 15864045)
I sat in stunned silence, just as I had in a few Indy playoff games previous. Same as the TEN playoff game.

The dumb shit was that I was well on my way to being drunk because I was celebrating. Then as they came back….I kept drinking more to numb the inevitable pain I was about to feel.

DJ's left nut 09-30-2021 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 15864036)
Hey, thanks for dredging that memory up out of the pit! :facepalm:

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15864041)
I got so drunk that game that my parents left the house we were at because I was in total meltdown mode.

I was at the 50 yard line, about 2 rows up. Best seats to a game I've ever had. It was a a blast until it wasn't.

Snow came through overnight and we drove back in damn near white-out conditions and nobody said a word for the 12 hours or whatever that trip took as we were crawling down I-70.

It facilitated my first CP vacation. I just could not re-engage with this team.

rabblerouser 09-30-2021 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15864051)
The dumb shit was that I was well on my way to being drunk because I was celebrating. Then as they came back….I kept drinking more to numb the inevitable pain I was about to feel.

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The Franchise 09-30-2021 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15864053)
I was at the 50 yard line, about 2 rows up. Best seats to a game I've ever had. It was a a blast until it wasn't.

Snow came through overnight and we drove back in damn near white-out conditions and nobody said a word for the 12 hours or whatever that trip took as we were crawling down I-70.

It facilitated my first CP vacation. I just could not re-engage with this team.

I couldn’t imagine seeing it in person. I probably would have killed myself in that stadium.

rabblerouser 09-30-2021 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15864053)
I was at the 50 yard line, about 2 rows up. Best seats to a game I've ever had. It was a a blast until it wasn't.

Snow came through overnight and we drove back in damn near white-out conditions and nobody said a word for the 12 hours or whatever that trip took as we were crawling down I-70.

It facilitated my first CP vacation. I just could not re-engage with this team.

Me and Wolfy almost went to that game...I'm glad we didn't.

rabblerouser 09-30-2021 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15864058)
I couldn’t imagine seeing it in person. I probably would have killed myself in that stadium.

And a few Dolts fans too.

ToxSocks 09-30-2021 01:44 PM

Thinking back about that game, I think that was the game in which i decided to stop drinking for Chiefs games. I realized that i just don't want to be all charged up and drunk-emotional anymore.

Hammock Parties 09-30-2021 01:44 PM

LMAO

still can't believe any of you were invested in a team led by alice smiff

we win there, so what? they were doomed

Wilson8 09-30-2021 01:45 PM

Completely agree that QB makes a big difference for the WR.

BUT...

2018 -2019 Tom Brady throwing to Josh Gordon, 11 games, 58.8 (4 drops) and 6 games, 55.6 % (2 drops)

My point is, I know Josh Gordon can help the Chiefs but he also has a weakness that the Chiefs need to be aware of. Make Josh Gordon a weapon that other teams have to account for but in crunch time, Kelce and Hill will have a higher percentage of catches.

Sassy Squatch 09-30-2021 01:50 PM

Watched that game with my Colts fan family in Terre Haute. Pretty sure I was just laughing when Luck recovered his own fumble. At that point you knew. Poor Husain Abdullah did his best but that ****ing bundle of sticks Kendrick Lewis ruined it.

Dunerdr 09-30-2021 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 15864064)
Completely agree that QB makes a big difference for the WR.

BUT...

2018 -2019 Tom Brady throwing to Josh Gordon, 11 games, 58.8 (4 drops) and 6 games, 55.6 % (2 drops)

My point is, I know Josh Gordon can help the Chiefs but he also has a weakness that the Chiefs need to be aware of. Make Josh Gordon a weapon that other teams have to account for but in crunch time, Kelce and Hill will have a higher percentage of catches.

4 drops in 11 games is a weakenss?

RealSNR 09-30-2021 01:52 PM

Clay had some highlight videos of Bowe years ago.

Ya'll who are badmouthing Bowe right now would be jizzing your pants if that same receiver were on the Chiefs right now. Watch just one of them and see what happens to you.

Big, athletic guy who was among the NFL's best at the WR position in terms of running after the catch and bowling over weak arm-tackling DBs (and even some LBs)?

Yeah. Ya'll would be the Randy Marsh meme.

Bowe was a really fun player and would absolutely have filled a need we're missing right now on offense.

Bowser 09-30-2021 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15864063)
LMAO

still can't believe any of you were invested in a team led by alice smiff

we win there, so what? they were doomed

Coming out of the shadow of the previous 8 years? Are you serious?

Hindsight being what it is, yeah, but at the time? I was having the time of my life getting back in touch with my Chiefs fandom.

Sassy Squatch 09-30-2021 01:57 PM

Prime Bowe? Absolutely. The fat lazy **** he eventually turned out to be? Probably one of the most hated players on this team. We got super lucky that he was dumb enough to drive around with pot so we could void his guarantees and cut him after giving him that monster extension.

Hammock Parties 09-30-2021 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15864079)
Clay had some highlight videos of Bowe years ago.

Ya'll who are badmouthing Bowe right now would be jizzing your pants if that same receiver were on the Chiefs right now. Watch just one of them and see what happens to you.

should reupload them....too bad i'll never be able to find holthus commentary for those games

Dunerdr 09-30-2021 02:03 PM

I sincerely hope that this Josh Gordon experiment makes Andy and Varch realize the usefulness of a freak size athlete and pursue them. Imagine Tyreek with a prime Gordon.. JIMP.

Wilson8 09-30-2021 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 15864074)
4 drops in 11 games is a weakness?

Not sure exactly how drops are tracked. I assume it is a pass in the hands that flat out falls out of hands. In 2018 Josh had 68 targets, 40 catches with Brady throwing to him. In 2019 he had 36 targets and 20 catches from Tom.

I'm not saying that Josh Gordon is a bad signing but just expect some passes to be missed.

dlphg9 09-30-2021 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15863863)
They saw this bullshit and knew they needed a change. This was really bad

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don’t know if another QB could have thrown a ball that on point against that kind of wind. Pringle has to catch that one with the game on the line. I know the safety is coming but frustrating. <a href="https://t.co/5U8qTTAVgA">pic.twitter.com/5U8qTTAVgA</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1443055605942571009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mahomes waiting for Pringle’s route to develop. Smith gets beat on his inside shoulder. Mahomes stands tall in the pocket to deliver the ball. And yes Hardman does get open after the ball is out but Mahomes would had to evade left to buy more time. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://t.co/wLojO5ikaj">pic.twitter.com/wLojO5ikaj</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1443031192018821124?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That first pass at the end of the game isnt a catch that many receivers make. He could only get one hand on the ball and would have been destroyed by the safety, but would have gotten a defenseless receiver penalty probably.


The second one he should have 100% caught.

At least he's able to get open.

DJ's left nut 09-30-2021 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15864058)
I couldn’t imagine seeing it in person. I probably would have killed myself in that stadium.

I stood in the parking lot literally lighting cigarettes with cigarettes until our buddy and his dad who were on the other side of the stadium made their way around to us. I didn't even smoke at the time!

His dad hasn't watched a Chiefs game since. Guy was a 15 year ST holder and it just destroyed him.

I haven't missed a home playoff game since 2004 (also the Colts).

dlphg9 09-30-2021 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15864079)
Clay had some highlight videos of Bowe years ago.

Ya'll who are badmouthing Bowe right now would be jizzing your pants if that same receiver were on the Chiefs right now. Watch just one of them and see what happens to you.

Big, athletic guy who was among the NFL's best at the WR position in terms of running after the catch and bowling over weak arm-tackling DBs (and even some LBs)?

Yeah. Ya'll would be the Randy Marsh meme.

Bowe was a really fun player and would absolutely have filled a need we're missing right now on offense.

Bowe was a ****ing beast and was hampered by shit stain QBs.

Hammock Parties 09-30-2021 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 15864095)
That first pass at the end of the game isnt a catch that many receivers make. He could only get one hand on the ball and would have been destroyed by the safety

He had both hands on that ball. A starting receiver in the NFL hauls that in.

OnTheWarpath15 09-30-2021 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15864041)
I got so drunk that game that my parents left the house we were at because I was in total meltdown mode.

Monty and I packed up the hotel room (was scheduled to stay in Indy that night) and drove back to STL in a blizzard.

Don't think either of use said a word until we were well into Illinois.

Marcellus 09-30-2021 02:09 PM

Reading CP its hard to believe the Chiefs are scoring 4 more pts per game on average this year than last, even with the turnovers.

rabblerouser 09-30-2021 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15864063)
LMAO

still can't believe any of you were invested in a team led by alice smiff

we win there, so what? they were doomed

After the stretch of 2007-2012, I was willing to believe just about anything.

DJ's left nut 09-30-2021 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 15864102)
Monty and I packed up the hotel room (was scheduled to stay in Indy that night) and drove back to STL in a blizzard.

Don't think either of use said a word until we were well into Illinois.

My buddy and his dad drove home that night as well.

As our plan to go to St. Elmos with the hot California chief fan girls randomly sitting next to us had clearly fallen through, we went to Shula's. It was...fair. Not sure I understand the draw.

****ing Dwayne Bowe. I really wanted to try that damn shrimp cocktail...

duncan_idaho 09-30-2021 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15864063)
LMAO

still can't believe any of you were invested in a team led by alice smiff

we win there, so what? they were doomed

This is my answer as well.

I checked out of actually caring about the Chiefs on-field results for the entirety of the Alex Smith era.

I was at a friend's house watching that game. I had predicted a loss. When 28-3 happened, friend started giving me crap. It stopped around the time Luck recovered his own fumble or whatever.

What's even worse, though, is I can't imagine being so bought into that team that you let that loss prevent you from enioying what is happening now.

Chiefspants 09-30-2021 02:33 PM

Yeah. I went into cruise control with my fandom after the Colts loss. Followed the games on Gamecast or followed them here. Watched maybe 2-3 games a season through 2016. This was after loyally watching every game in the Pioli era. I just could get invested in a season that I knew was going to end as a 1 score game with the superior opposing quarterback in the victory formation.

I just had seen Alex's script play out too often with the Marty era. Until we had a QB who was willing to take bold risks to win in the clutch, I just wasn't at all confident that Andy could get us over the top.

Then one day, I was driving home in the rain, and the Denver talk radio hosts said the Chiefs had just traded for the 10th pick in the draft...

carcosa 09-30-2021 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 15863447)
Chiefs confident Josh Gordon, with another opportunity after reinstatement, can boost their offense

https://theathletic.com/2857956/2021...their-offense/

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The equation that led to the sudden partnership between the Chiefs and Josh Gordon is easy to understand.

Brett Veach, the Chiefs’ aggressive general manager, makes the same statement every year before the start of the regular season: If he can upgrade the team at any position — except at quarterback, of course — the Chiefs will acquire such a player. Andy Reid, in his 23rd year as an NFL head coach, is always willing to offer a talented player a chance at redemption. With a surprising 1-2 record, the Chiefs, desperate to increase the efficiency of their potent offense, were eager to pursue Gordon, the 30-year-old receiver who was reinstated by the NFL last week.

Gordon, who already had contract offers from a few teams, selected the Chiefs on Monday afternoon for three reasons: to play alongside superstar quarterback Patrick Mahomes, to learn from Reid and to prove that his skills are indeed going to upgrade the Chiefs’ odds of achieving their Super Bowl aspirations.

“Time to get to work,” Gordon posted Monday on his Twitter account, ending his message with the folded-hands emoji to express his gratitude to the Chiefs.

Before Wednesday’s practice, Gordon signed his one-year deal, joining the Chiefs practice squad. He wore the No. 19 jersey, and he immediately, on first observation, stood out among the rest of the receivers during the team’s individual drills. Listed at 6-foot-3 and 238 pounds, Gordon, once he joins the active roster, will be the tallest receiver, with the widest frame, on the team for Mahomes.

“It was a heck of an opportunity to bring him in here and involve him in that receivers room,” Mahomes said of Gordon, smiling. He later added: “He’s going to be a guy that even if he’s covered, he’s not covered. You can throw it up there and he can make plays. I’m excited to get to work with him. He seems like a great dude that wants to come in and work. Everywhere he’s been, he’s kind of dominated.”

The last time Gordon played in an NFL game was Dec. 15, 2019, when he was a member of the Seattle Seahawks. He was their third receiver and was capable of making highlights thanks to his rare combination of size and speed. In 11 games during the 2019 season, Gordon split time between the Patriots and Seahawks. He recorded 27 receptions for 426 yards and one touchdown.

His last reception with the Seahawks was a memorable one: a 58-yard catch that featured a sprint past two defenders.

Gordon, though, was suspended indefinitely without pay for violating the NFL policies on performance-enhancing substances and substances of abuse, the sixth such punishment of his five-year career. At the time, it was Gordon’s eighth suspension overall since he entered the NFL in 2012. He submitted a reinstatement letter to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell this past summer. After he passed all of his random drug screenings, the league granted Gordon’s reinstatement Friday, making him a prominent free agent.

Throughout his career, Reid has coached a few players into having successful seasons after a major injury or a return from suspension, most notably former star quarterback Michael Vick.

“Brett always keeps his eyes open for good players, and Josh is a good player,” Reid said. “He’s had a great eight months. The league, obviously, understands that he’s a good guy. Everybody deserves an opportunity to at least try to do the right thing.”

“He’s worked hard on his situation, making sure it was right. He’s an honest guy, and he’s easy to talk to.”

Together, the Chiefs and Gordon hope he will finish this season in uniform as a contributing role player. But in 2018 with the New England Patriots and in 2019 with the Seahawks, Gordon never played in the postseason with his teammates because he was suspended.

In addition to their supportive resources, the Chiefs are confident that their locker room — led by Mahomes, star tight end Travis Kelce, star safety Tyrann Mathieu and linebacker Anthony Hitchens — is the proper environment for Gordon to remain disciplined and successful. Reid demands that his players be accountable to one another, whether it’s on the field or with their decisions away from the training facility. Mahomes plans to spend plenty of time with Gordon to encourage him and get his newest teammate accustomed to the offense.

“Every single (teammate) I’ve had, I’ve built a relationship with,” Mahomes said. “These are my friends that are in this locker room. I’ll do the same with him. We’ll bring him into this family that we’ve built and try to get the best out of him, obviously on the field and off the field. We want him to succeed in life more than just on this field. We’ll do the best we can to help him in any way possible.”

Reid doesn’t expect Gordon to make his Chiefs debut Sunday when the team plays against the Philadelphia Eagles. A logical and fair timeline for Gordon to play in his first game could be in Week 6, when the Chiefs face the Washington Football Team. Under such a plan, Gordon would have three weeks to improve his conditioning and learn a decent chunk of the playbook and build timing and chemistry with Mahomes and the rest of his teammates.

Reid and Mahomes didn’t reveal any specifics when asked what Gordon’s role will be.

One possibility for the Chiefs could be for Gordon to start as their slot receiver to create one-on-one matchups on the perimeter for Tyreek Hill, the league’s fastest player. Through three games, third-year receiver Mecole Hardman has the team’s third-most receiving yards, with just 107. The Chiefs believe Gordon — alongside Kelce, Hill and Hardman — can help stretch the field against opposing defenses with his speed and size to help generate more explosive completions. Gordon’s abilities could prevent opponents from covering Hill with two defenders for most of the game.

“He’s been such a good player,” Reid said of Gordon. “Anytime that you can add somebody like that, of that quality, you try to do it within reason. That’s where we’re at. It’s just a matter of getting back in the swing of things. He seems like a good guy. I don’t think the chemistry will be disrupted at all.”

In the three previous seasons, the Chiefs have added a veteran skill-position player on offense after the league’s annual cutdown day. The Chiefs were optimistic about receiver Kelvin Benjamin (2018) and running backs LeSean McCoy (2019) and Le’Veon Bell (2020). But during the team’s playoff run, those players weren’t used.

Unlike Gordon, those veterans didn’t have a history of substance abuse.

The Chiefs’ faith in Gordon is understandable. Perhaps the best possible outcome, if the Chiefs can harness Gordon’s talents, could be his rewarding the team’s faith with statistics similar to what he produced in 12 games in 2018: 41 receptions, 737 yards and four touchdowns. Reid knows such a goal is achievable as long as Gordon is accountable to his new team — and himself.

“As long as you’re doing the right things,” Reid said, “you’ll have support.”



Reid thanks doctors in his return

In his first public comments since the Chiefs’ loss to the Los Angeles Chargers on Sunday, Reid declined to share the symptoms he experienced after the game that made him feel ill. The Chiefs, for precautionary reasons, had Reid, 63, leave Arrowhead Stadium in an ambulance to be transported to a hospital and further evaluated by doctors.

“I’m not much on talking about all that stuff,” Reid said. “I wish it would have never happened. But it did, and I’m moving on.”

The Chiefs announced Sunday night that Reid was resting after doctors treated him at the University of Kansas Health System. Reid continued to rest Monday, and he returned to the training facility Tuesday morning to begin working on the team’s game plan against the Eagles.

“I guess I’ll start with my injury report,” Reid said in his opening statement. “I’m feeling great, first of all. It’s good to get back. We’re getting on to business as usual here. All is good. I respect the people who tended to me during that time. They were top-notch.”

Mahomes shared that Rick Burkholder, the team’s vice president of sports medicine, kept the leaders of the team informed of Reid’s status. Mahomes and those leaders then relayed information to the rest of the players.

“They kept me kind of at ease, knowing that it wasn’t a real crazy situation,” Mahomes said. “It was something that they had under control. I know he loves being able to coach us. I’ve always thought if you’re doing something that makes you happy, usually it helps you live longer.”




Injury update

Cornerback Rashad Fenton (concussion protocol) was the lone player on the active roster who didn’t participate in practice Wednesday. Defensive ends Chris Jones (wrist) and Frank Clark (right hamstring), left tackle Orlando Brown Jr. (groin) and cornerback Charvarius Ward (quad) were limited participants.

“We’ll just see how he does here in the next few days,” Reid said of Fenton.

Without a helmet, linebacker Willie Gay (toe) did individual drills alongside his teammates. The Chiefs have yet to designate Gay, who is eligible to rejoin the active roster, as a player who is returning from injured reserve.

“He’s making progress,” Reid said of Gay. “We’ll just see.”


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Bearcat 09-30-2021 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 15864085)
Coming out of the shadow of the previous 8 years? Are you serious?

Hindsight being what it is, yeah, but at the time? I was having the time of my life getting back in touch with my Chiefs fandom.

There was a long time of "won't waste money or time until AFTER they prove they're worth a damn in the playoffs".... and even then, I broke that rule in 2010 and even bought tickets to a few games in 2011.

So, while the Alex years stepped over the very low bars of "it could be worse, Herm isn't around/Palko isn't starting/900 days since the last parking lot suicide" it was still very much "prove something first"... and that never happened.

Deberg_1990 09-30-2021 03:13 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs special teams coordinator Dave Toub says no plans for WR Josh Gordon contributing on special teams. Says his role is likely the No. 2 or 3 receiver and needs to spend time learning offense. Remember, Gordon has only played five special teams snaps in his career.</p>&mdash; Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattderrick/status/1443619855031324679?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Coochie liquor 09-30-2021 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15863809)
**** off, he scored 14 TDs one year.

And a year with 0 TD’s to WR.

-King- 09-30-2021 04:32 PM

No cute practice pictures today?

BigRedChief 09-30-2021 04:40 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After practicing against him for 1 day, Tyrann Mathieu had an interesting comparison for WR Josh Gordon. &quot;He kind of reminds me of Calvin Johnson, just the way he&#39;s built . . . From what I&#39;ve seen, he&#39;s a helluva football player.&#39;&#39;</p>&mdash; Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamteicher/status/1443634458985435140?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

big nasty kcnut 09-30-2021 04:49 PM

Let not blame pringle he did his job the mother****er that should be blamed is robinson. He catches the ball and goes backward. Pringle doing his job.

-King- 09-30-2021 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by big nasty kcnut (Post 15864374)
Let not blame pringle he did his job the mother****er that should be blamed is robinson. He catches the ball and goes backward. Pringle doing his job.

I think his job includes catching balls in his hands

RealSNR 09-30-2021 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by big nasty kcnut (Post 15864374)
Let not blame pringle he did his job the mother****er that should be blamed is robinson. He catches the ball and goes backward. Pringle doing his job.

Man, I've learned not to stick my nose in the local collegiate trash talking that goes on around here because I'm just not passionate enough about it to care.

But this comment kinda reeks of KState homerism. No offense.

Hammock Parties 09-30-2021 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 15864356)
No cute practice pictures today?

Check chiefs.com

Stryker 09-30-2021 07:47 PM

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After practicing against him for 1 day, Tyrann Mathieu had an interesting comparison for WR Josh Gordon. &quot;He kind of reminds me of Calvin Johnson, just the way he&#39;s built . . . From what I&#39;ve seen, he&#39;s a helluva football player.&#39;&#39;</p>&mdash; Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamteicher/status/1443634458985435140?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

A New Hope...

mr. tegu 09-30-2021 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15862252)
His arms.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Want some Josh Gordon? Here&#39;s some Josh Gordon. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://t.co/clysjMfibZ">pic.twitter.com/clysjMfibZ</a></p>— Harold R. Kuntz (@HaroldRKuntz3) <a href="https://twitter.com/HaroldRKuntz3/status/1443289475593949194?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


You can tell in that part where all the receivers are grouped just how much bigger he is than all of the rest.

mr. tegu 09-30-2021 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 15862550)
Good lord, he has a 6-10 wingspan? I didn't realize that.

Man. IF he can stay on the straight and narrow, I think the Chiefs short and intermediate passing game makes a major leap right away.


Imagine how many fumbles he’s going to recover.

ptlyon 09-30-2021 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 15864633)
Imagine how many fumbles he’s going to recover.

Heh


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