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RedRaider56 03-28-2024 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 17460265)
Electric vehicle startup Fisker cuts base price of Ocean SUV to $24K as part of efforts to avoid bankruptcy; move comes after its stock was delisted this week from the New York Stock Exchange

Fisker Puts Its All-Electric Ocean SUV on Fire Sale, Slashing Prices By Tens of Thousands
An incredible 39 percent drop in price enrages current owners, but could newfound affordability intrigue potential ones?

https://www.motortrend.com/news/fisk...ice-cuts-sale/

Not surprising about Fisker. What is this, there third incarnation as a car company and the two previous versions bankrupted as well?
I'm surprised they have lasted as long as they have.

MagicHef 03-28-2024 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mabbott (Post 17459869)
I know Calfifornia has already considered a road tax "usage" tax that would be payed annually based on how many miles were driven. It didn't gain much ground; however, the closer we get to the 2035 all electric date, that will have to change as the amount of money raised by the gas tax will get less and less. I know I won't have to worry about that as I am eligible to leave California at the end of next year.

In Washington, I had to pay an extra registration fee because I won't be paying gas taxes. I think it was $175.

DaFace 03-28-2024 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 17460494)
In Washington, I had to pay an extra registration fee because I won't be paying gas taxes. I think it was $175.

It's only $50 in Colorado, but I bet it'll go up over time as EVs make up a higher percentage of cars on the road.

BWillie 03-28-2024 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 17460494)
In Washington, I had to pay an extra registration fee because I won't be paying gas taxes. I think it was $175.

That's ridiculous

HemiEd 03-29-2024 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17461295)
That's ridiculous

You do realize the gas taxes are used for road construction and maintenance, right?

You expect a FREE RIDE?

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BWillie 03-29-2024 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 17461479)
You do realize the gas taxes are used for road construction and maintenance, right?

You expect a FREE RIDE?

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You would think you would be more thankful to the people that are helping lower the price of YOUR gas.

jd1020 03-29-2024 07:21 AM

My gas prices are going up because the number of sheep that have switched to electric isn't big enough to cause dent in demand.

EV is not the future. They are never going to replace IC engines. Let me know when hydrogen, or some other "clean" method that mirrors IC, starts becoming a mainstream push. Then I might take an interest.

neech 03-29-2024 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 17461479)
You do realize the gas taxes are used for road construction and maintenance, right?

You expect a FREE RIDE?

"You didn't build that"

BWillie 03-29-2024 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 17461523)
My gas prices are going up because the number of sheep that have switched to electric isn't big enough to cause dent in demand.

EV is not the future. They are never going to replace IC engines. Let me know when hydrogen, or some other "clean" method that mirrors IC, starts becoming a mainstream push. Then I might take an interest.

Ah yes supply and demand does not exist? It is true that gas is extremely inelastic but I assure you if Tesla, Prius, and other hybrid/electric cars did not exist your gas prices would be higher.

Just say thank you. Its ok. Gas serves a purpose as do EVs.

DaFace 03-29-2024 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 17461479)
You do realize the gas taxes are used for road construction and maintenance, right?

You expect a FREE RIDE?

To be fair, there's nothing set in stone that says that's the way roads SHOULD be financed. Some states don't have income taxes, but they have higher property and/or sales taxes - they can choose how they want it to work.

In a distant future where EVs are the majority, states could possibly choose to pay for road maintenance from other sources. And sure, you could argue that paying for it from gas taxes is the most "fair" way of doing it, but I don't get a break on my taxes because I don't have kids who go to school and don't go to parks very often.

In the meantime, I don't have an issue with (reasonable) registration fees for EVs, but the model at its core doesn't HAVE to stay that way.

mlyonsd 03-29-2024 09:01 AM

EV's should have an extra charge added to their annual license registration to account for their lack of paying a gasoline tax. Or is that already a thing?

DaFace 03-29-2024 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mlyonsd (Post 17461594)
EV's should have an extra charge added to their annual license registration to account for their lack of paying a gasoline tax. Or is that already a thing?

It's almost like that's what the past ~15 posts in this thread have been discussing.

HemiEd 03-29-2024 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 17461587)
To be fair, there's nothing set in stone that says that's the way roads SHOULD be financed. Some states don't have income taxes, but they have higher property and/or sales taxes - they can choose how they want it to work.

We recently learned that the hard way as we were going to move to Texas to be closer to grandkids. They have no personal income tax and their property taxes are similar to Illinois and California, through the roof.

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 17461587)
In a distant future where EVs are the majority, states could possibly choose to pay for road maintenance from other sources. And sure, you could argue that paying for it from gas taxes is the most "fair" way of doing it, but I don't get a break on my taxes because I don't have kids who go to school and don't go to parks very often.

In the meantime, I don't have an issue with (reasonable) registration fees for EVs, but the model at its core doesn't HAVE to stay that way.

Same here, been paying school taxes for many years and my kids graduated in 91 and 94.
Bottom line, they are going to get it somewhere. There is a ground swell here in Missouri to remove personal property tax, but I would bet it would result in an increase in property tax or some other venue.

HemiEd 03-29-2024 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17461508)
You would think you would be more thankful to the people that are helping lower the price of YOUR gas.

:LOL: Like that has any impact whatsoever. I am going to stop now before this thread ends up in D.C.

Hog's Gone Fishin 03-29-2024 12:08 PM

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