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Old 07-14-2015, 11:05 PM  
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*** Official Royals Repository, Part 4 ***

In this thread: All things related to the AL Champions.

Duncan's Official Team Record prediction: 90 wins
One month in: Looking strong
All Star Break: Looking strong, probably should adjust up to 93-94 wins.
Duncan's Official Team MVP prediction: Eric Hosmer
One month in: Upstaged by his best friend MIKE MOOTACOS, MAN. Tell us bout your hittin, bro!
All Star Break: Lorenzo Cain starting to run away with this one.

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Clearly, overlooking the Twins was a mistake at this point. I still don't believe in that team long-term, but they're starting to get that Magic Season twinkle about them.

Detroit is toast. Garbage rotation beyond Price and Sanchez, Miggy out.

And Cleveland... Cleveland still is dangerous if it ever clicks offensively, because the starting pitching is good enough for them to real off a 15-5 stretch and get right back into the playoff picture.

The Royals will be a division winner IF ...
1) Ventura and Duffy combine for 375+ innings of high-quality work
2) Eric Hosmer delivers on his potential with a FULL season of success rather than bursts
3) The deeper bullpen lessens the critical load on Herrera, Davis and Holland
4) Lorenzo Cain stays healthy
5) Either Alex Rios or Kendrys Morales bounces back to 2013 form

The first of these is clearly not going to happen. The second looked good through the end of May but is now eating Cain's dust (Hosmer has still been improved this year, though, lessening his valley. If he has a really hot second half, he can get right back in it). Item three is definitely the case. Item four should probably be first at this point. And Morales has more than bounced back.

Duncan’s Top 20 for mid-season 2015:
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Old 08-15-2015, 06:16 PM   #1396
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Old 08-15-2015, 06:51 PM   #1397
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Your "rebuttal" isn't even a rebuttal since the poster clearly asks to see more data on call up age before rendering a judgment. Please read the posts you copy + paste more closely.
That's not what they said at all. They made 3 distinct points that punch holes in your conclusion.

They asked for more data to make conclusions about the age shift, dumbass.

Here are the 3 flaws noted:
1. what proportion of that 06-13 sample for players under 22 is Mike Trout? (if mike trout is your standard and one of the only players contributing to that data point, of course that curve is going to look like shit in comparison)
2. that the level of talent of call-ups tend to drop with increasing age (since the best go through the minors faster) and the level of ‘native talent’ of older hitters tends increase.
3.so aggregating gives a false picture of the statistics–it tends to increase the stats at the right and left sides of the graph at the expense of the ‘peak’.
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Old 08-15-2015, 07:25 PM   #1398
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Old 08-15-2015, 10:00 PM   #1399
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Can't say I ever expected to see a Royals team with 70 wins and a 12 game division lead in mid-August. What a ride so far.
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Old 08-16-2015, 11:26 AM   #1400
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Our old friend Joe Posnanski's latest, about the decline of Tiger. Starts off by talking about the Royals:

The Age Of Tiger



It just seems like people keep refusing to accept that athletes in all sports — every single one — fade so much more quickly than you would expect them to. This is particularly tough to accept in baseball and golf, two sports where there is little violence and numerous examples of older players beating the odds.


In baseball, the unwillingness to understand how quickly players decline has cost teams billions of dollars. GM’s will keep signing 30-somethings with the hope and expectation that they will perform more or less like they did in their younger days. This is baseball’s definition of insanity.

Three years ago, I asked this question: Which duo of baseball players would you rather have for the next five years, Albert Pujols and Josh Hamilton or Eric Hosmer and Salvador Perez? I emphasized the point by adding that money is no object: I was simply asking which would be the better duo for five years, Pujols and Hamilton or Hosmer and Perez.

The question seemed so stupid at the time that, well, you can read some of the comments if you want. At the time, there was so much buzz about the Angels acquiring the two former MVPs. Pujols had been the best player in baseball for a decade. Hamilton was thought by many to be pretty close to that level when healthy. Few knew who Hosmer and Perez even were.

Well, we’re only three years into the deal — the turn happened even faster than I thought it would:
Since 2012:

Pujols and Hamilton: 11 WAR, 1 All-Star appearance.

Perez and Hosmer: 17.7 WAR, 3 All-Star appearances, 5 Gold Gloves, 1 World Series appearance.
Hamilton has already been dumped. Pujols is having something of a renaissance season because he has 30 home runs, but it’s a facade: He’s now a defensive liability (after being a great defender), and his on-base percentage is down to .312 — he has basically become a one-dimensional home run hitter. Meanwhile Perez is probably the best catcher in the American League and Hosmer is coming into his own at age 25. If you asked the question now, the answer would be even more obvious than it was in 2012 — and it would be the opposite answer of 2012. Bet on youth. Always bet on youth.
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Old 08-16-2015, 11:38 AM   #1401
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Our old friend Joe Posnanski's latest, about the decline of Tiger. Starts off by talking about the Royals:

The Age Of Tiger



It just seems like people keep refusing to accept that athletes in all sports — every single one — fade so much more quickly than you would expect them to. This is particularly tough to accept in baseball and golf, two sports where there is little violence and numerous examples of older players beating the odds.


In baseball, the unwillingness to understand how quickly players decline has cost teams billions of dollars. GM’s will keep signing 30-somethings with the hope and expectation that they will perform more or less like they did in their younger days. This is baseball’s definition of insanity.

Three years ago, I asked this question: Which duo of baseball players would you rather have for the next five years, Albert Pujols and Josh Hamilton or Eric Hosmer and Salvador Perez? I emphasized the point by adding that money is no object: I was simply asking which would be the better duo for five years, Pujols and Hamilton or Hosmer and Perez.

The question seemed so stupid at the time that, well, you can read some of the comments if you want. At the time, there was so much buzz about the Angels acquiring the two former MVPs. Pujols had been the best player in baseball for a decade. Hamilton was thought by many to be pretty close to that level when healthy. Few knew who Hosmer and Perez even were.

Well, we’re only three years into the deal — the turn happened even faster than I thought it would:
Since 2012:

Pujols and Hamilton: 11 WAR, 1 All-Star appearance.

Perez and Hosmer: 17.7 WAR, 3 All-Star appearances, 5 Gold Gloves, 1 World Series appearance.
Hamilton has already been dumped. Pujols is having something of a renaissance season because he has 30 home runs, but it’s a facade: He’s now a defensive liability (after being a great defender), and his on-base percentage is down to .312 — he has basically become a one-dimensional home run hitter. Meanwhile Perez is probably the best catcher in the American League and Hosmer is coming into his own at age 25. If you asked the question now, the answer would be even more obvious than it was in 2012 — and it would be the opposite answer of 2012. Bet on youth. Always bet on youth.
Hamilton and Gordon don't exactly live the same lifestyle. I think Gordon is a safer bet than most. Really, I just want to see him finish here. I hope they can agree on a reasonable contract.

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Old 08-16-2015, 12:19 PM   #1402
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Old 08-16-2015, 02:57 PM   #1403
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Old 08-16-2015, 02:59 PM   #1404
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@McCulloughStar: Alex Gordon is expected start a rehab assignment later this week, Ned Yost said.
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Old 08-16-2015, 03:28 PM   #1405
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Old 08-16-2015, 05:10 PM   #1406
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@McCulloughStar: Alex Gordon is expected start a rehab assignment later this week, Ned Yost said.
Man, just take it easy. Groins can act back up really easily.
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Old 08-16-2015, 05:15 PM   #1407
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Can't say I ever expected to see a Royals team with 70 wins and a 12 game division lead in mid-August. What a ride so far.
Tell me about it. You know this team is good when the main concern on this team is not if they are going to playoffs but who will be the Royals number three pitcher in the playoffs.
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Old 08-16-2015, 06:48 PM   #1408
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Royals sign Wandy Rodriguez and Joba the hut.
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Old 08-16-2015, 06:54 PM   #1409
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Royals sign Wandy Rodriguez and Joba the hut.

Minor league deals.
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Old 08-16-2015, 06:56 PM   #1410
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The Kansas City Royals have added some veteran depth to the organization, agreeing to terms Sunday with Wandy Rodriguez and Joba Chamberlain on minor-league contracts.

Rodriguez started 15 games this season for the Texas Rangers, going 6-4 with a 4.90 ERA in 86 1/3 innings. The lefty was released by Texas on Aug. 4.

The Royals also brought in Chamberlain, who came out of the Detroit Tigers' bullpen 30 times this season. He struggled to a 4.09 ERA in 22 innings.

The 29-year-old signed a minor-league deal with the Toronto Blue Jays on July 21 after his release from the Tigers. At the time, Chamberlain was a potential veteran arm out of the Blue Jays' bullpen.

But with the acquisition of LaTroy Hawkins in the Troy Toluwizki deal, the bullpen corps was solidified, and he opted out of his contract.
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