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Old 01-23-2019, 09:33 AM  
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Old 01-23-2019, 11:09 AM   #286
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That my main point, we are taking 2 of our top 3 pass rushers and adding question marks in a 4-3.
Jones can play in a 4-3. Houston should have no problem playing DE in a 4-3. Ford hits the bricks.
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Old 01-23-2019, 11:09 AM   #287
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That my main point, we are taking 2 of our top 3 pass rushers and adding question marks in a 4-3.
They aren't going to keep one of those guys even if they stay in a 34. I feel like you're having a hard time with that.

Ford is a pass rush specialist that had a career year in a contract year. He's a great pass rusher that's not very good at anything else.

I'd imagine they're going to let him walk at this point.
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Old 01-23-2019, 11:10 AM   #288
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Yeah, "hey, don't pay attention to the people that have watched him most closely over the past several years" is pretty much as stupid a response as could be provided there.

Inmem is really covering himself in glory in this thread. He's just been a veritable fountain of useful information here.
I’m sorry I’m not being negative enough for you. I wanted Sutton gone and now he is, you’re acting like a little bitch throwing a tantrum because you didn’t get the guy YOU wanted. Cry me a ****ing river. I’m not buying into what a ****ing says, you can but I’m not.

What did Pioli and Haley do when they left KC? and what did we say about them? I’m sure we said a bunch of negative shit too. Stop acting like a spoiled ****ing brat. He’s an upgrade over Sutton no matter what a ****ing fan has to say .

Complete moronic.
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Old 01-23-2019, 11:10 AM   #289
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That my main point, we are taking 2 of our top 3 pass rushers and adding question marks in a 4-3.
This team shouldn't be paying Dee Ford 17 million a year or considering where they go with Justin Houstons massive cap number considering he is a declining player.

Decisions to make them happy is how we end up worse than we are now.
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Old 01-23-2019, 11:10 AM   #290
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We had the best pass rush in the league.

Spags has proven he can beat the Patriots with that kind of talent.

Seems a simple decision to me.
except you have to take Dee Ford out, and put question mark at least next to Houston.
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Old 01-23-2019, 11:10 AM   #291
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We had the best pass rush in the league.

Spags has proven he can beat the Patriots with that kind of talent.

Seems a simple decision to me.
Nope, wrong hire because a fan said he sucked.
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Old 01-23-2019, 11:11 AM   #292
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Jones can play in a 4-3. Houston should have no problem playing DE in a 4-3. Ford hits the bricks.
A 4-3 probably makes Jones better because then his desire to not play the run isn't as hurtful as it is when in a 3-4 he does that 2 lineman go get the LB's immediately.
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Old 01-23-2019, 11:12 AM   #293
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Let Ford walk and get a comp pick in 2020.

Let Kpass/Speaks/rookie battle it out for that other DE spot.
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Old 01-23-2019, 11:12 AM   #294
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You win games by points, not by yards.
Yards are more predictive over any appreciable timeline and a better demonstration of 'dominance' and/or duration that points surrendered.

Yes, in any given game, 'bend but don't break' can hold teams to field goals, keep the points down and win you a ballgame. But over the course of the season you're going to eventually run into that critical game where the red zone stops or 3rd down stops just don't come and you bend...then break.

Meanwhile if you're a team that excels at not giving up yards, statistically you're far more likely to be able to repeat that on a game to game basis.

That's why that 2016 season of his strikes me as a little bit of fools gold. His PPG was excellent but his YPG was merely above average. I believe the YPG was probably more demonstrative of the job he was doing and a lot of those cracks that were papered over in '16 surfaced in a big way in '17.
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Ideally in a 43, you can get as much pass rush production from Kpass and Speaks as you could from Ford.

I didn't agree with it when it was Houstons deal coming up, but as of now count me in on the "give me a multitude of good pass rushers over the singular great one".
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I always thought he was Blitz heavy from the secondary...?
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Old 01-23-2019, 11:12 AM   #297
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except you have to take Dee Ford out, and put question mark at least next to Houston.
I don't think Houston will be a big secret. They aren't going to pay him 21 million.
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Old 01-23-2019, 11:12 AM   #298
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except you have to take Dee Ford out, and put question mark at least next to Houston.
You really want them to pay Ford?

Also 4-3 should make Speaks and Kpass guys who can actually contribute.

Kpass is the type of guy Spags will like because with his size he can play all over the line. Matter of fat Jones and Speaks could do that to and he's shown he likes moving the DL around.
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Old 01-23-2019, 11:12 AM   #299
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I’m sorry I’m not being negative enough for you. I wanted Sutton gone and now he is, you’re acting like a little bitch throwing a tantrum because you didn’t get the guy YOU wanted. Cry me a ****ing river. I’m not buying into what a ****ing says, you can but I’m not.

What did Pioli and Haley do when they left KC? and what did we say about them? I’m sure we said a bunch of negative shit too. Stop acting like a spoiled ****ing brat. He’s an upgrade over Sutton no matter what a ****ing fan had to say .

Complete moronic.

And we were right.
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Old 01-23-2019, 11:13 AM   #300
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Ok so I’m curious if we switch 4-3 how does that work with current personnel?

Anyone wanna take a stab at it
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