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Direckshun · 08-10-2020, 11:56 AM

https://www.boston.com/sports/new-en...triots-dynasty

Any aspirations the Chiefs have to surpass the Patriots are laughable
The Chiefs? A Patriot-like dynasty? I’d say get back to me on that in 2037, Tyreek.
By Chad Finn, Sports columnist
July 30, 2020

I get the satisfaction the rest of the NFL gets in assuming, if not outright declaring, that the Patriots’ reign is over for good, that the dynasty of all NFL dynasties is finally deceased after almost 20 years.

Hey, maybe it is over. One probably could even say it is, given that Tom Brady is now a Buccaneer and some longtime admirable Patriots, including Dont’a Hightower and Patrick Chung, have opted out of the 2020 season because of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Me, I’m never declaring them anything less than a playoff contender so long as Bill Belichick is around. I remember what he did in 2001, and all that he’s achieved since. Last season ended badly, and the degree of difficulty for true Super Bowl contention undoubtedly has increased, unless Cam Newton is about to have a ’99 Randall Cunningham/‘13 Peyton Manning type of renaissance.

I know this, and everyone else who has been following the NFL for the last two decades should, too: Sleep on Belichick’s Patriots at your own peril.

Of course, it’s more fun for many to declare them dead, and certainly more comforting to cast them out of sight and out of mind. I get that. I remember doing it with the dynasty Yankees in 1999 … and 2000 … and 2001, when they finally did lose. There’s not much that’s more human than dreaming about all the ways your tormentor might get his comeuppance.

What annoys me is not that the Patriots are being spoken of in the past tense. It’s the failure to appreciate the magnitude of their achievement, especially from those who know firsthand how brutal and unforgiving the NFL can be on a week-to-week basis, let alone year-to-year.

You’d think they recognize how incredible it was, given how long they’ve waited for it to fade.

Yet here we are, with Tyreek Hill of the reigning Super Bowl champion Chiefs saying recently on an ESPN program that the Chiefs aren’t just thinking about repeating as champs. They’re thinking about becoming a dynasty and chasing … the Michael Jordan-era Bulls?

“Why not go seven rings?” said Hill last Thursday on ESPN’s “First Take.” “Right now we’re just chasing Jordan, so that’s what we do. So I’m going over five” – the number teammate Chris Jones predicted they would win – “and I’m saying seven.”

Now, Hill is not the first professional athlete to count his championship rings before the games have been played. The silly little pep rally LeBron James and the Heat threw to celebrate his signing in July 2010 (yep, it was that long ago) was so over the top in premature self-congratulations (“not one, not two, not three rings …”) that his two-title tenure there feels like an underachievement. They essentially had their championship parade before they even played together.

Hill and the Chiefs have won one title. One. They stand where the Patriots did in 2002 … with one ring, a brilliant young quarterback (Patrick Mahomes) helming it all, and a bright future that carries at least some uncertainty because everything in the brutal NFL carries uncertainty. They are in an enviable spot, but there is no guarantee that their promise will continue to be fulfilled. One cruel Sunday can change even the best-laid plans.

The Chiefs do know how hard it is to win once, having dealt with a devastating AFC Championship game loss to — hey, look, it was the Patriots — to end the 2018 season before getting over the hump last year. They have no idea how hard it is to win twice, or three times, and coming close to claiming six rings, let alone seven, should be downright unfathomable.

You’d think at the very least Hill and friends would remember to align their bold goals with the achievements of the two-decade dynasty from their own sport.

They are where the Patriots were in 2002. And the run for the Patriots, if it indeed is over, lasted more than another decade and a half beyond that. It amazes me that other NFL franchises don’t marvel at how the Patriots sustained that excellence.

You know what the best-case scenario for the Chiefs is? That Mahomes stays healthy, the majority of their core players stick around (Jones got his own nice payday after Mahomes’s record-setting $503 million deal), general manager Brett Veach drafts extremely well and is unemotional about parting ways with fan favorites … and the Chiefs end up being half of what the Patriots have been.

The Patriots weren’t — aren’t — just a dynasty. They were in essence two dynasties, the first three championships (2001, ’03, and ’04) and the next three (2014, ’16, and ’18) bookending a stretch of excellence (2005-13) in which lousy luck and other forces conspired to remind us just how hard it is to win a single Super Bowl.

Maybe, if everything goes right — and remember, the window is tight with key players like tight end Travis Kelce and safety Tyrann Mathieu becoming free agents after 2021 — the Chiefs could collect a couple more Lombardi Trophies in the next few years, and get into that conversation with the ’90s Cowboys as a three-title dynasty. But that is the absolutely best-case scenario.

There is no evidence that any current NFL franchise has the acumen and discipline to turn over the roster and adjust on the fly like Belichick’s Patriots did time and again as the dynasty evolved and shifted.

There were the early veteran-laden, defensive-focused teams with Richard Seymour and Ty Law and Tedy Bruschi. There was Brady’s evolution into an elite passer and then the best quarterback there has ever been, with favored targets ranging from Troy Brown to Deion Branch to Wes Welker, Randy Moss, Rob Gronkowski, and Julian Edelman. Sure, Brady was the constant, but the Patriots never resisted change, even if it meant saying goodbye to one favorite champion after another.

The Chiefs have a wonderful core now. To become a dynasty of the Patriots magnitude — that is, a dynasty unequaled in the annals of the NFL, for now and most likely as long as this sport lasts — it requires multiple cores.

The Patriots won their first Super Bowl in the 2001 season. Seventeen year later, with the same coach and quarterback and an ever-changing cast of admirable contributors, they won their sixth. It’s unprecedented, and I’m fairly sure it cannot be imitated.

The Chiefs? A Patriot-like dynasty? I’d say get back to me on that in 2037, Tyreek. But you’ll be long gone from the league by then. And I suspect we’ll know the truth about how short your team fell much, much sooner than that.

**PHOG** · 08-10-2020, 06:42 PM

"the Chiefs have won one title. One. They stand where the Patriots did in 2002 … with one ring"

This is about all you need to know about the author.

Halfcan · 08-10-2020, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Only way that happens is if Herbert and Lock flame out and the Raiders don't get a real QB.

If all 3 division opponents spend a decade struggling to find a real solution at QB, just as the AFC East did for most of the Brady/Belichick era, the Chiefs will coast to that 1st round bye quite a bit and set themselves up for something silly like 8 AFCCGs in 10 years.

But if there's as much as a single credible pro-bowl caliber QB in the division outside of KC, it throws that entire equation out because that would be just enough to toss an extra loss or two into the mix and gum up the works here and there.

The B/B run was so remarkable because of how much had to happen to make it possible, not the least of which was the rank incompetence of every division opponent the Patriots had. Getting a cakewalk to a 5-1 division record every season, with a pretty easy 6-0 if they could just keep from stepping on their dicks in Miami, made life pretty easy for the Pats.

We have already dominated the AFC before and during the Mahomes run. Andy has their number. And they already had Rivers and Carr- who were ProBowl QB's- which netted them 1 win each- with MASSIVE help from the refs. Carr had a bounceback year last year according to Fader fans and the Chiefs blew them away in both games.

I have doubts that Gheybert and Lock will even be as good as either Rivers or Carr. The division runs through KC the next decade.

Stryker · 08-10-2020, 09:18 PM

LOL! It would have been already #3 if shit head could have controlled himself by staying just 5 ****ing inches back - WE WOULD HAVE DONE IT THEN!

Seriously though that is crying over spilled milk. How many SB teams were actually able to keep 98% of that team in tact for the next season and semi beyond? Chemistry - plain and simple. Will we win 5 to 7 more titles? Probably not but I do believe that 3 more is not out of the question.

displacedinMN · 08-10-2020, 09:23 PM

who care what they think. The world knows they cheat and we now have the best QB in the NFL. AND PEOPLE LIKE HIM.

Everyone hates Tom Brady.

Halfcan · 08-11-2020, 01:12 AM

I am pretty sure the Chiefs could care less what anyone from Boston has to say about their future "Aspirations" cheating haters and going to hate.

scho63 · 08-11-2020, 02:32 AM

New England Patriots
Boston Red Sox
Boston Bruins
Boston Celtics

I hate those 4 ****ing teams with a red hot intensity but let's be honest, what city will ever come close to doing what these ****wads did over a 10 year span.

From 2004 they won 10 World titles.

God damn Southies!

KChiefs1 · 08-11-2020, 06:23 AM

It’s obvious that this guy knows it’s over so let’s bring out the history. It’s typical of teams that once were relevant but are no longer.

Armyofme · 08-11-2020, 06:31 AM

I'm hoping that our edge will be free agency.

Players went to play for the patriots for the ring. Did you ever hear them say they went there because of the coaching staff or the vibe in the locker room? I sure haven't.

I suspect that the Chiefs will be able to attract a wider range of players that have different motivations than the patriots were able to. The guys seem to really love each other, Reid... the entire organization. Give Veach that edge and I feel we can keep this team stocked for the long haul.

TomBarndtsTwin · 08-11-2020, 06:33 AM

Good lord, Pats fans are insecure.

You’d think after 6 titles (some a little ‘tainted’, mind you) they wouldn’t have to do this shit.

In my best Ron Burgundy voice ‘Go **** yourself, Boston’

**Buehler445** · 08-11-2020, 06:52 AM

**** all things Cheatriot.

End.

Mecca · 08-11-2020, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

I would like to take this opportunity to say **** you, Amnorix.

That dude is around for years and years, we win one and he disappears forever, what a pus.

**RealSNR** · 08-11-2020, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PHOG

"the Chiefs have won one title. One. They stand where the Patriots did in 2002 … with one ring"

This is about all you need to know about the author.

The 2002 Patriots went 9-7 and missed the playoffs.

We're actually way AHEAD of where Patriots were this early on, especially if you count our AFC Championship appearance from the year before as the actual first year of the dynasty.

DJ's left nut · 08-11-2020, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That dude is around for years and years, we win one and he disappears forever, what a pus.

Even the Broncos fans stuck around and ate more shit than that guy.

What a pussy, indeed...

staylor26 · 08-11-2020, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Everyone thought the Packers were kicking off a dynasty after their 2010 championship. They said the same for the Seahawks (in their defense, they got pretty damned close to the back-to-back). Hell, even the Eagles looked prime to be a perennial powerhouse after their 2017 win and that shit folded in a hurry.

This shit can fall apart in a hurry.

Everybody in this thread had an appropriate response but you pillowbitergot.

O.city · 08-11-2020, 09:01 AM

If Andy and Pat win 3 total SB's, thats a huge success and a dynasty.

The Pats shit was an absolute fluke ass over tea kettle. They fell into a HOF QB, their division sucked forever and whatever.

It won't happen again anywhere. The odds just aren't in favor of it.

If you win 3 SB's, thats a monumental success.

08-10-2020, 11:56 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch	Boston.com lays down the dynasty gauntlet. https://www.boston.com/sports/new-en...triots-dynasty Any aspirations the Chiefs have to surpass the Patriots are laughable The Chiefs? A Patriot-like dynasty? I’d say get back to me on that in 2037, Tyreek. By Chad Finn, Sports columnist July 30, 2020 I get the satisfaction the rest of the NFL gets in assuming, if not outright declaring, that the Patriots’ reign is over for good, that the dynasty of all NFL dynasties is finally deceased after almost 20 years. Hey, maybe it is over. One probably could even say it is, given that Tom Brady is now a Buccaneer and some longtime admirable Patriots, including Dont’a Hightower and Patrick Chung, have opted out of the 2020 season because of the COVID-19 pandemic. Me, I’m never declaring them anything less than a playoff contender so long as Bill Belichick is around. I remember what he did in 2001, and all that he’s achieved since. Last season ended badly, and the degree of difficulty for true Super Bowl contention undoubtedly has increased, unless Cam Newton is about to have a ’99 Randall Cunningham/‘13 Peyton Manning type of renaissance. I know this, and everyone else who has been following the NFL for the last two decades should, too: Sleep on Belichick’s Patriots at your own peril. Of course, it’s more fun for many to declare them dead, and certainly more comforting to cast them out of sight and out of mind. I get that. I remember doing it with the dynasty Yankees in 1999 … and 2000 … and 2001, when they finally did lose. There’s not much that’s more human than dreaming about all the ways your tormentor might get his comeuppance. What annoys me is not that the Patriots are being spoken of in the past tense. It’s the failure to appreciate the magnitude of their achievement, especially from those who know firsthand how brutal and unforgiving the NFL can be on a week-to-week basis, let alone year-to-year. You’d think they recognize how incredible it was, given how long they’ve waited for it to fade. Yet here we are, with Tyreek Hill of the reigning Super Bowl champion Chiefs saying recently on an ESPN program that the Chiefs aren’t just thinking about repeating as champs. They’re thinking about becoming a dynasty and chasing … the Michael Jordan-era Bulls? “Why not go seven rings?” said Hill last Thursday on ESPN’s “First Take.” “Right now we’re just chasing Jordan, so that’s what we do. So I’m going over five” – the number teammate Chris Jones predicted they would win – “and I’m saying seven.” Now, Hill is not the first professional athlete to count his championship rings before the games have been played. The silly little pep rally LeBron James and the Heat threw to celebrate his signing in July 2010 (yep, it was that long ago) was so over the top in premature self-congratulations (“not one, not two, not three rings …”) that his two-title tenure there feels like an underachievement. They essentially had their championship parade before they even played together. Hill and the Chiefs have won one title. One. They stand where the Patriots did in 2002 … with one ring, a brilliant young quarterback (Patrick Mahomes) helming it all, and a bright future that carries at least some uncertainty because everything in the brutal NFL carries uncertainty. They are in an enviable spot, but there is no guarantee that their promise will continue to be fulfilled. One cruel Sunday can change even the best-laid plans. The Chiefs do know how hard it is to win once, having dealt with a devastating AFC Championship game loss to — hey, look, it was the Patriots — to end the 2018 season before getting over the hump last year. They have no idea how hard it is to win twice, or three times, and coming close to claiming six rings, let alone seven, should be downright unfathomable. You’d think at the very least Hill and friends would remember to align their bold goals with the achievements of the two-decade dynasty from their own sport. They are where the Patriots were in 2002. And the run for the Patriots, if it indeed is over, lasted more than another decade and a half beyond that. It amazes me that other NFL franchises don’t marvel at how the Patriots sustained that excellence. You know what the best-case scenario for the Chiefs is? That Mahomes stays healthy, the majority of their core players stick around (Jones got his own nice payday after Mahomes’s record-setting $503 million deal), general manager Brett Veach drafts extremely well and is unemotional about parting ways with fan favorites … and the Chiefs end up being half of what the Patriots have been. The Patriots weren’t — aren’t — just a dynasty. They were in essence two dynasties, the first three championships (2001, ’03, and ’04) and the next three (2014, ’16, and ’18) bookending a stretch of excellence (2005-13) in which lousy luck and other forces conspired to remind us just how hard it is to win a single Super Bowl. Maybe, if everything goes right — and remember, the window is tight with key players like tight end Travis Kelce and safety Tyrann Mathieu becoming free agents after 2021 — the Chiefs could collect a couple more Lombardi Trophies in the next few years, and get into that conversation with the ’90s Cowboys as a three-title dynasty. But that is the absolutely best-case scenario. There is no evidence that any current NFL franchise has the acumen and discipline to turn over the roster and adjust on the fly like Belichick’s Patriots did time and again as the dynasty evolved and shifted. There were the early veteran-laden, defensive-focused teams with Richard Seymour and Ty Law and Tedy Bruschi. There was Brady’s evolution into an elite passer and then the best quarterback there has ever been, with favored targets ranging from Troy Brown to Deion Branch to Wes Welker, Randy Moss, Rob Gronkowski, and Julian Edelman. Sure, Brady was the constant, but the Patriots never resisted change, even if it meant saying goodbye to one favorite champion after another. The Chiefs have a wonderful core now. To become a dynasty of the Patriots magnitude — that is, a dynasty unequaled in the annals of the NFL, for now and most likely as long as this sport lasts — it requires multiple cores. The Patriots won their first Super Bowl in the 2001 season. Seventeen year later, with the same coach and quarterback and an ever-changing cast of admirable contributors, they won their sixth. It’s unprecedented, and I’m fairly sure it cannot be imitated. The Chiefs? A Patriot-like dynasty? I’d say get back to me on that in 2037, Tyreek. But you’ll be long gone from the league by then. And I suspect we’ll know the truth about how short your team fell much, much sooner than that.
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PHOG Dazed and Confused PHOG's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Somewhere Out There	"the Chiefs have won one title. One. They stand where the Patriots did in 2002 … with one ring" This is about all you need to know about the author.
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08-10-2020, 09:18 PM	#48
Stryker In Mahomes I trust! Stryker's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Baton Rouge, LA	LOL! It would have been already #3 if shit head could have controlled himself by staying just 5 ****ing inches back - WE WOULD HAVE DONE IT THEN! Seriously though that is crying over spilled milk. How many SB teams were actually able to keep 98% of that team in tact for the next season and semi beyond? Chemistry - plain and simple. Will we win 5 to 7 more titles? Probably not but I do believe that 3 more is not out of the question.
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displacedinMN It was not a fair catch displacedinMN's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Correcting papers	who care what they think. The world knows they cheat and we now have the best QB in the NFL. AND PEOPLE LIKE HIM. Everyone hates Tom Brady.
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08-11-2020, 01:12 AM	#50
Halfcan In Search of a Life Halfcan's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2005	I am pretty sure the Chiefs could care less what anyone from Boston has to say about their future "Aspirations" cheating haters and going to hate.
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08-11-2020, 02:32 AM	#51
scho63 Politically Incorrect scho63's Avatar Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Scottsdale, AZ	New England Patriots Boston Red Sox Boston Bruins Boston Celtics I hate those 4 **ing teams with a red hot intensity but let's be honest, what city will ever come close to doing what these **wads did over a 10 year span. From 2004 they won 10 World titles. God damn Southies!
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08-11-2020, 06:23 AM	#52
KChiefs1 I’m a Mahomo! KChiefs1's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mid-Missouri	It’s obvious that this guy knows it’s over so let’s bring out the history. It’s typical of teams that once were relevant but are no longer.
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08-11-2020, 06:31 AM	#53
Armyofme Self-sufficience please! Armyofme's Avatar Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Lawrence, KS	I'm hoping that our edge will be free agency. Players went to play for the patriots for the ring. Did you ever hear them say they went there because of the coaching staff or the vibe in the locker room? I sure haven't. I suspect that the Chiefs will be able to attract a wider range of players that have different motivations than the patriots were able to. The guys seem to really love each other, Reid... the entire organization. Give Veach that edge and I feel we can keep this team stocked for the long haul.
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08-11-2020, 06:33 AM	#54
TomBarndtsTwin MVP TomBarndtsTwin's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2013	Good lord, Pats fans are insecure. You’d think after 6 titles (some a little ‘tainted’, mind you) they wouldn’t have to do this shit. In my best Ron Burgundy voice ‘Go **** yourself, Boston’
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Buehler445 Supporter Buehler445's Avatar Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS	**** all things Cheatriot. End.
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08-11-2020, 09:01 AM	#60
O.city In Search of a Life O.city's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2009	If Andy and Pat win 3 total SB's, thats a huge success and a dynasty. The Pats shit was an absolute fluke ass over tea kettle. They fell into a HOF QB, their division sucked forever and whatever. It won't happen again anywhere. The odds just aren't in favor of it. If you win 3 SB's, thats a monumental success.
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