Avengers (4) Endgame - Spoilers Welcome Thread

[DaFace]

Since Endgame is probably one of the most anticipated films we've had here in a while, let's quarantine all discussion from those who have seen the film (or who have otherwise read spoilers). If you don't want to see stuff get spoiled, stay out!

(And this will likely be the last time I view this thread until Friday, so if you need me to put something in the OP or similar, shoot me a PM. I won't read posts in here.)

[Sassy Squatch]

Also, shout out to that rat for saving the universe. Without you, we're well and truly ****ed.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Sorry, guys. Just having a bit of fun. Apparently hurt someone's feelings enough to thumbs my post down.

Read an article where the author accused Marvel/Disney of being homophobic because *their* Steve Rogers would never go back into the past and stay with a woman leaving Bucky behind. Made me laugh so I wanted to try my hand at being a crazy conspiracy nutjob too.

Heh, they did include a gay character scene. The counseling scene where the guy was talking to Steve about going on a date with another man.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Sorry, guys. Just having a bit of fun. Apparently hurt someone's feelings enough to thumbs my post down.

Read an article where the author accused Marvel/Disney of being homophobic because *their* Steve Rogers would never go back into the past and stay with a woman leaving Bucky behind. Made me laugh so I wanted to try my hand at being a crazy conspiracy nutjob too.

Lmao. It’s all good. I don’t know who thumbed you down but I appreciated your intensity.

[JD10367]

The time-travel stuff is always mindbending... mainly because, since we can't do it, we have no idea what the **** would actually happen. This film seems to imply that you can't change the past, but if you go into the past and mess with it you're basically constructing an alternate timeline for that universe (but you can return to YOUR universe with no changes to it). A convenient way to make the time heist storyline work but makes no sense when you simply say "go put them back". For example, you knocked out Star-Lord and stole that stone... so what do you go back to, the point where you knocked him out and just say, "Hey, here's the stone"? And how do you put back the Soul Stone? (Although that would be a convenient way to get Black Widow back in the current time... "Hey, Red Skull, here's your stone back, now give us back the 'payment' we made.") The other problem with this idea of time-travel is that you can do whatever you want with no punishment (i.e. Gamora). Oh, look, Stark died... no biggie, just go back to the day BEFORE the big battle, and take that Stark forward. So now you're God. No one has to die. Go back and get Black Widow, Thor's mom, Vision, whoever you want. Some big bad villian shows up? Just go back and get 100 Iron Men, who gives a **** about those alternate universes you create, those are their problems.

[ILChief]

Bucky should have gotten the shield. I don't think Gamora got dusted. Guardians 3 will probably be them looking for her

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by ILChief

Bucky should have gotten the shield. I don't think Gamora got dusted. Guardians 3 will probably be them looking for her

Nah. Bucky is his lover, not his heir apparent.

[BigRichard]

Originally Posted by JD10367

The time-travel stuff is always mindbending... mainly because, since we can't do it, we have no idea what the **** would actually happen. This film seems to imply that you can't change the past, but if you go into the past and mess with it you're basically constructing an alternate timeline for that universe (but you can return to YOUR universe with no changes to it). A convenient way to make the time heist storyline work but makes no sense when you simply say "go put them back". For example, you knocked out Star-Lord and stole that stone... so what do you go back to, the point where you knocked him out and just say, "Hey, here's the stone"? And how do you put back the Soul Stone? (Although that would be a convenient way to get Black Widow back in the current time... "Hey, Red Skull, here's your stone back, now give us back the 'payment' we made.") The other problem with this idea of time-travel is that you can do whatever you want with no punishment (i.e. Gamora). Oh, look, Stark died... no biggie, just go back to the day BEFORE the big battle, and take that Stark forward. So now you're God. No one has to die. Go back and get Black Widow, Thor's mom, Vision, whoever you want. Some big bad villian shows up? Just go back and get 100 Iron Men, who gives a **** about those alternate universes you create, those are their problems.

Yes and yes

[Sassy Squatch]

Time travel really shouldn't be used as a plot device. Russo brothers and whoever else were involved made one of the better efforts I've seen to use it but it just got too convoluted.

[Deberg_1990]

Why wasn’t Tony more tore up over the death of Vision? Wasn’t he part of Tony or something? I don’t remem him even shedding one tear for him.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Why wasn’t Tony more tore up over the death of Vision? Wasn’t he part of Tony or something? I don’t remem him even shedding one tear for him.

Seems like he was pretty ****ing upset at everything after they first found him. Then the 5 year timeskip and he let go of resentment.

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by JD10367

The time-travel stuff is always mindbending... mainly because, since we can't do it, we have no idea what the **** would actually happen. This film seems to imply that you can't change the past, but if you go into the past and mess with it you're basically constructing an alternate timeline for that universe (but you can return to YOUR universe with no changes to it). A convenient way to make the time heist storyline work but makes no sense when you simply say "go put them back". For example, you knocked out Star-Lord and stole that stone... so what do you go back to, the point where you knocked him out and just say, "Hey, here's the stone"? And how do you put back the Soul Stone? (Although that would be a convenient way to get Black Widow back in the current time... "Hey, Red Skull, here's your stone back, now give us back the 'payment' we made.") The other problem with this idea of time-travel is that you can do whatever you want with no punishment (i.e. Gamora). Oh, look, Stark died... no biggie, just go back to the day BEFORE the big battle, and take that Stark forward. So now you're God. No one has to die. Go back and get Black Widow, Thor's mom, Vision, whoever you want. Some big bad villian shows up? Just go back and get 100 Iron Men, who gives a **** about those alternate universes you create, those are their problems.

In the comics Marvel made it clear that time travel simply creates alternate timelines and doesn't change the timeline you are from unless you got Doom or Kang level tech.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I was in the movie theatre for 3.5 hours. Your going to be pissed about something in the movie that lasted <30 seconds? Sorry man, thats on you.

Not pissed. Try again.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Heh, they did include a gay character scene. The counseling scene where the guy was talking to Steve about going on a date with another man.

That was so dumb. I can't see Steve being OK with that lifestyle.

[listopencil]

Jeeeeeeez. Yeah, they had the women stand for a group shot. So What? Does anyone whine about the fact the they do a group shot before every major battle that's fake as hell? Were people crying when they did the group shot of the two Avenger groups right before they fought in Civil War? It's a visual trope that is part of the genre. You guys are complaining about something that is a foundational part of superhero media.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by JD10367

The time-travel stuff is always mindbending... mainly because, since we can't do it, we have no idea what the **** would actually happen. This film seems to imply that you can't change the past, but if you go into the past and mess with it you're basically constructing an alternate timeline for that universe (but you can return to YOUR universe with no changes to it). A convenient way to make the time heist storyline work but makes no sense when you simply say "go put them back". For example, you knocked out Star-Lord and stole that stone... so what do you go back to, the point where you knocked him out and just say, "Hey, here's the stone"? And how do you put back the Soul Stone? (Although that would be a convenient way to get Black Widow back in the current time... "Hey, Red Skull, here's your stone back, now give us back the 'payment' we made.") The other problem with this idea of time-travel is that you can do whatever you want with no punishment (i.e. Gamora). Oh, look, Stark died... no biggie, just go back to the day BEFORE the big battle, and take that Stark forward. So now you're God. No one has to die. Go back and get Black Widow, Thor's mom, Vision, whoever you want. Some big bad villian shows up? Just go back and get 100 Iron Men, who gives a **** about those alternate universes you create, those are their problems.

If you attempt to bypass or alter fixed points in the time stream then Time manifests itself and tries to bitch-slap you. Guys like Doctor Strange are good at dealing with stuff like this.