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Old 11-23-2020, 02:11 PM   #2
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He has Kelcie and Hill. That’s currently it.
Right. I get Kelce is an outlier as the obvious number 1 TE in football but from a WR corps perspective, what Mahomes has to work with is not that far and away impressive. Obviously, Tyreek is better than a lot of 1’s at WR, but as a group, there are several teams better than the Chiefs since it’s hard to include Watkins because he’s so oft injured. Basically it’s Tyreek 1/3 of Watkins, Pringle and Robinson

WR groups better than the Chiefs: (again, this is as a whole and this is not to bash our guys but rather to show that Patrick doesn’t have it as easy as some think)

Falcons (julio also oft injured but not as much as Sammy and he doesn’t miss as many games

Bucs

Cowboys

Seahawks

Vikings

Cardinals ish

Saints ish

Bills

Could argue Panthers and Chargers as well
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Old 11-23-2020, 02:25 PM   #3
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Right. I get Kelce is an outlier as the obvious number 1 TE in football but from a WR corps perspective, what Mahomes has to work with is not that far and away impressive. Obviously, Tyreek is better than a lot of 1’s at WR, but as a group, there are several teams better than the Chiefs since it’s hard to include Watkins because he’s so oft injured. Basically it’s Tyreek 1/3 of Watkins, Pringle and Robinson

WR groups better than the Chiefs: (again, this is as a whole and this is not to bash our guys but rather to show that Patrick doesn’t have it as easy as some think)

Falcons (julio also oft injured but not as much as Sammy and he doesn’t miss as many games

Bucs

Cowboys

Seahawks

Vikings

Cardinals ish

Saints ish

Bills

Could argue Panthers and Chargers as well
you forgot hardman
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Old 11-23-2020, 02:38 PM   #4
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you forgot hardman
Oh yeah. And maybe kinda for good reason. I’m not one of the Hardman detractors and I think he will blossom next season. But for now he’s a role guy and doesn’t change my “rankings”
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Old 11-23-2020, 02:44 PM   #5
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Oh yeah. And maybe kinda for good reason. I’m not one of the Hardman detractors and I think he will blossom next season. But for now he’s a role guy and doesn’t change my “rankings”
The only place he will blossom is to manager at McDonald's.
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Old 11-23-2020, 02:46 PM   #6
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you forgot hardman
He's too busy working at McDonald's.
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Old 11-23-2020, 02:47 PM   #8
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Right. I get Kelce is an outlier as the obvious number 1 TE in football but from a WR corps perspective, what Mahomes has to work with is not that far and away impressive. Obviously, Tyreek is better than a lot of 1’s at WR, but as a group, there are several teams better than the Chiefs since it’s hard to include Watkins because he’s so oft injured. Basically it’s Tyreek 1/3 of Watkins, Pringle and Robinson

WR groups better than the Chiefs: (again, this is as a whole and this is not to bash our guys but rather to show that Patrick doesn’t have it as easy as some think)

Falcons (julio also oft injured but not as much as Sammy and he doesn’t miss as many games

Bucs

Cowboys

Seahawks

Vikings

Cardinals ish

Saints ish

Bills

Could argue Panthers and Chargers as well
Wha?

I'll accept Bucs and Cowboys. Disagree on everything else.
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Old 11-23-2020, 02:48 PM   #9
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Wha?

I'll accept Bucs and Cowboys. Disagree on everything else.
The Vikings one is interesting...Dalvin Cook is outstanding, Justin Jefferson is a great rookie, Thielen is solid and they have 2 pretty good TEs. I don't really think they're better but they do have some players.
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Old 11-23-2020, 02:52 PM   #10
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Wha?

I'll accept Bucs and Cowboys. Disagree on everything else.
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The Vikings one is interesting...Dalvin Cook is outstanding, Justin Jefferson is a great rookie, Thielen is solid and they have 2 pretty good TEs. I don't really think they're better but they do have some players.
Okay, let's forget using the word "better".

What it comes down to is a lot of talking heads make it sound like there's so much talent on the Chiefs offense that Mahomes has it easier than some other QB's. It's really not true.

First, you have the offensive line, where the Chiefs probably aren't even in the top half of the league.

CEH is good, Bell is good but there's a dozen teams with better 1-2 punches than the Chiefs if you think about it.

And then you have the Chiefs with Kelce, Hill, one-legged Watkins, and that's really about it.

Even if you still want to say the Chiefs are #1, are the Cowboys, Seahawks, Saints, or any of those other teams THAT far behind? Not really.

I mean, he didn't even list a team like the Titans that has two really good WR's and a good TE with Derrick Henry in the backfield.
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Okay, let's forget using the word "better".

What it comes down to is a lot of talking heads make it sound like there's so much talent on the Chiefs offense that Mahomes has it easier than some other QB's. It's really not true.

First, you have the offensive line, where the Chiefs probably aren't even in the top half of the league.

CEH is good, Bell is good but there's a dozen teams with better 1-2 punches than the Chiefs if you think about it.

And then you have the Chiefs with Kelce, Hill, one-legged Watkins, and that's really about it.

Even if you still want to say the Chiefs are #1, are the Cowboys, Seahawks, Saints, or any of those other teams THAT far behind? Not really.

I mean, he didn't even list a team like the Titans that has two really good WR's and a good TE with Derrick Henry in the backfield.

Exactly. Hell, most teams these days have a talented WR group. I even forgot a couple candidates like the Bengals (Boyd is great and Higgins is headed to top 5 WR territory within the next few years) and the Steelers where I think JuJu is easily the 3 there.
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Old 11-23-2020, 03:35 PM   #12
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Wha?

I'll accept Bucs and Cowboys. Disagree on everything else.
Well obviously this is a subjective list so plenty of room for opinions to differ but the point is, they’re several QB’s that at least have comparable WR’s. At the least the teams you disagree with have better 2’s than we have (again not really counting Watkins)

I’d take Jefferson, Lockett, Kirk, and John Brown over any non Hill WR on the Chiefs. I’d take Jefferson even if we were counting a healthy Watkins
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