Call Your Shot: Who's the Chiefs first pick?

[Womble]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Guaranteed you saw a white WR on the smaller side and made up your mind instantly.

No. I made up my mind based on how average his numbers were playing for essentially an NFL team in the college game against totally inferior opponents. If you're playing second fiddle to your tight end in the college game you aren't a 1st round WR. He's also not the deep ball specialist we really need and has a high drop rate. Plenty other WRs out there who have produced more on the field and who have higher upside..Legette and Franklin being 2 of them who should be available at pick 32.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Womble

No. I made up my mind based on how average his numbers were playing for essentially an NFL team in the college game against totally inferior opponents. If you're playing second fiddle to your tight end in the college game you aren't a 1st round WR. He's also not the deep ball specialist we really need and has a high drop rate. Plenty other WRs out there who have produced more on the field and who have higher upside..Legette and Franklin being 2 of them who should be available at pick 32.

1. Georgia is a run first team. All of their talented WRs over the year have struggled to produce, including George Pickens. McConkey was more productive than any of them.

2. McConkey has been productive when healthy and on the field. He had almost 800 yards and 7 TDs 2 years ago. Bowers is arguably the GOAT college TE, so not being as productive as him isn't the knock you think it is.

3. When you look at stuff like yards per route run, the production is fine compared to his peers, and the bigger issue has been health and opportunities in that offense.

4. Production is just one part of the equation. Put on the tape and watch how easy the guy got separation in the ****ing SEC. Then watch him pull away from those guys and show off that sub 4.4 speed with the ball in his hands in the open field.

5. Go back and watch him absolutely destroy dudes at the Senior Bowl practices. Nobody could cover him, even projected top 20 pick Quinton Mitchell.

6. Look at this athletic/size profile and see how comparable he is to guys like Garret Wilson and Chris Olave. This isn't your typical smaller white WR, hence why "jag" is a lazy analysis.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by staylor26

1. Georgia is a run first team. All of their talented WRs over the year have struggled to produce, including George Pickens. McConkey was more productive than any of them.

2. McConkey has been productive when healthy and on the field. He had almost 800 yards and 7 TDs 2 years ago. Bowers is arguably the GOAT college TE, so not being as productive as him isn't the knock you think it is.

3. When you look at stuff like yards per route run, the production is fine compared to his peers, and the bigger issue has been health and opportunities in that offense.

4. Production is just one part of the equation. Put on the tape and watch how easy the guy got separation in the ****ing SEC. Then watch him pull away from those guys and show off that sub 4.4 speed with the ball in his hands in the open field.

5. Go back and watch him absolutely destroy dudes at the Senior Bowl practices. Nobody could cover him, even projected top 20 pick Quinton Mitchell.

6. Look at this athletic/size profile and see how comparable he is to guys like Garret Wilson and Chris Olave. This isn't your typical smaller white WR, hence why "jag" is a lazy analysis.

McConkey missed the first 4 stat padding games last year vs. UT Martin, Ball State, South Carolina and UAB with SC being the only decent team. His stats last year look a lot better in that context.

[Womble]

Originally Posted by staylor26

1. Georgia is a run first team. All of their talented WRs over the year have struggled to produce, including George Pickens. McConkey was more productive than any of them.

2. McConkey has been productive when healthy and on the field. He had almost 800 yards and 7 TDs 2 years ago. Bowers is arguably the GOAT college TE, so not being as productive as him isn't the knock you think it is.

3. When you look at stuff like yards per route run, the production is fine compared to his peers, and the bigger issue has been health and opportunities in that offense.

4. Production is just one part of the equation. Put on the tape and watch how easy the guy got separation in the ****ing SEC. Then watch him pull away from those guys and show off that sub 4.4 speed with the ball in his hands in the open field.

5. Go back and watch him absolutely destroy dudes at the Senior Bowl practices. Nobody could cover him, even projected top 20 pick Quinton Mitchell.

6. Look at this athletic/size profile and see how comparable he is to guys like Garret Wilson and Chris Olave. This isn't your typical smaller white WR, hence why "jag" is a lazy analysis.

A lot of what you've listed here and previously were supposedly Skyy Moore's attributes.

In McConkey's best ever season as a WR where he clearly was the WR1 he had just 250 more receiving yards than the ****ing running back (who can't get a game for the Seahawks). You can talk all you want about separation etc but I've heard it all before with our other shitty WRs who apparently get separation but Mahomes needs to be better. If he was first round pick worthy he would have been a much more important piece to that offense. I also don't care how good Bowers is..our 1st round WR will be going to a team with the GOAT tight end and there still should be the expectation that they should outperform him in yardage in their 2nd year, like Tyreek did. If he's second fiddle to a college tight end then he's going to be second fiddle to ours and that's not good enough.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Womble

A lot of what you've listed were supposedly Skyy Moore's attributes.

In McConkey's best ever season as a WR where he clearly was the WR1 he had just 250 more receiving yards than the ****ing running back. You can talk all you want about separation etc but I've heard it all before with our other shitty WRs who apparently get separation but Mahomes needs to be better. If he was first round pick worthy he would have been a much more important piece to that offense. I also don't care how good Bowers is..our 1st round WR will be going to a team with the GOAT tight end and there still should be the expectation that they should outperform him in yardage in their 2nd year, like Tyreek did. If he's second fiddle to a college tight end then he's going to be second fiddle to ours and that's not good enough.

When you frame it like this, it sounds a lot worse than what it was in reality. As I said, damn near 800 yards and 7 TDs. That's a productive season as a Georgia WR in that offense. It's almost as if you're being completely disingenuous.

I knew the Skyy Moore comparison would come at some point too. A tell tale sign of somebody that is taking anybody remotely similar (surface level) and putting them in that box. It's lazy.

There's very little comaprison between the two, even removing hindsight with Skyy. The tape is put there. Like I said, he got separation with ease in the SEC and at the Senior Bowl. You are simply looking at him as a white small WR, looking at his stats, and that's it.

We'll jsut have to agree to disagree though because you clearly have your mind made up, and I jsut made several points that you completely ignored. You really didn't address anything, so what's the point?

[Womble]

Originally Posted by staylor26

When you frame it like this, it sounds a lot worse than what it was in reality. As I said, damn near 800 yards and 7 TDs. That's a productive season as a Georgia WR in that offense. It's almost as if you're being completely disingenuous.

I knew the Skyy Moore comparison would come at some point too. A tell tale sign of somebody that is just looking at stats and hasn't really done their homework.

There's very little comaprison between the two, even removing hindsight with Skyy. The tape is put there. Like I said, he got separation with ease in the SEC and at the Senior Bowl. You are simply looking at him as a white small WR, looking at his stats, and that's it.

800 yards is NOT impressive in the best team in college football dude. Legette got 500 yards more playing against the same opposition in the same league for an inferior team. Legette is also a far better deep threat than McConkey, which is an area that we need to improve on with MVS going and all the sounds around how we are going to utilise Hollywood Brown.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Womble

800 yards is NOT impressive in the best team in college football dude. Legette got 500 yards more playing against the same opposition in the same league for an inferior team. Legette is also a far better deep threat than McConkey, which is an area that we need to improve on with MVS going and all the sounds around how we are going to utilise Hollywood Brown.

What did George Pickens have at Georgia?

Adonai Mitchell?

Jermaine Burton?

800 yards at Georgia is a productive season. They aren't the "best team in football" because they're out there slinging it on Saturday's. You understand that, right? Not to mention, their QB play is average at best.

It's so obvious that you have never watched the guy play, and are simply looking at stats with zero context/nuance whatsoever.

Also, to be so focused on production, while simultaneously bringing up Legette as a better alternative is laughable. You're talking about a guy that did absolutely nothing for 4 years, then had a monster 5th year at 23 years old. And I actually like Legette.

Legette was at the same Senior Bowl that McConkey dominated. Not a single person can watch both guys that week and come away thinking Legette is the better player. They went against the same exact DBs, and McConkey was the guy that nobody could cover, not even a projected top 20 pick.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Womble

A lot of what you've listed here and previously were supposedly Skyy Moore's attributes.

In McConkey's best ever season as a WR where he clearly was the WR1 he had just 250 more receiving yards than the ****ing running back (who can't get a game for the Seahawks). You can talk all you want about separation etc but I've heard it all before with our other shitty WRs who apparently get separation but Mahomes needs to be better. If he was first round pick worthy he would have been a much more important piece to that offense. I also don't care how good Bowers is..our 1st round WR will be going to a team with the GOAT tight end and there still should be the expectation that they should outperform him in yardage in their 2nd year, like Tyreek did. If he's second fiddle to a college tight end then he's going to be second fiddle to ours and that's not good enough.

Except Ladd did in the SEC, big difference. He was also out the first four games last year against the sub tier teams.