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Old 07-22-2018, 02:30 PM  
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Old 07-31-2018, 04:28 PM   #841
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Defensively? Not much, apparently.
Chris Jones. Justin Houston. Eric Berry. Kpass. Allen Baily.

#Not much.

Veach in his 2nd season mind you, is currently replacing our two ILB's and two outside corners.

That's not exactly unheard of roster turnover in two season in the NFL.
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Old 07-31-2018, 04:28 PM   #842
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Dorsey had a pre-broken DJ, so the need wasn't absolutely pressing, and it's not as if he were ignoring the defense.
Another Dorsey mistake there, though. DJ was old for much of his time in KC while Dorsey was around and he also tore 2 Achilles. Dorsey should have been aggressively looking to replace him, at least by 2016.
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Old 07-31-2018, 04:29 PM   #843
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Chris Jones. Justin Houston. Eric Berry. Kpass. Allen Baily.

#Not much.

Veach in his 2nd season mind you, is currently replacing our two ILB's and two outside corners.

That's not exactly unheard of roster turnover in two season in the NFL.
KPass hasn’t proven anything and Allen Bailey is maybe, MAYBE slightly above average. Behind the guys you named, the depth was absolute dog shit.
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Old 07-31-2018, 04:29 PM   #844
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I mean I think most of my anger came from how close we got to drafting CB Josh Jackson out of Iowa because he is so much like Peters in my opinion. But hey maybe Veach had the same issues with his lack of physicality.
Veach is smart enough to know that a great CB gets burned all day if you don't have a pass rush
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Another Dorsey mistake there, though. DJ was old for much of his time in KC while Dorsey was around and he also tore 2 Achilles. Dorsey should have been aggressively looking to replace him, at least by 2016.
He probably would've been. It's hard to know. This is that unrealistic explanation in which he's suppose to have every position loaded all the time.

Meanwhile...how's that corner position looking for Veach? Crickets. ILB? If Ragland can't go, that's a pretty ugly group.
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Old 07-31-2018, 04:31 PM   #846
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Another Dorsey mistake there, though. DJ was old for much of his time in KC while Dorsey was around and he also tore 2 Achilles. Dorsey should have been aggressively looking to replace him, at least by 2016.
Agreed. Dorsey sucked the big one there. Of course I lay some of that at the feet of Reid and Sutton. Were they screaming to new blood at that position? Sutton was asking for DL's that can cover 50 yards downfield, I'm afraid.
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Dorsey had a pre-broken DJ, so the need wasn't absolutely pressing, and it's not as if he were ignoring the defense.
Sure, but I think it's fair to say Dorsey was always thinking about life after DJ, and he seemed to want to do it over the years where he would first find a stud that could play next to DJ and eventually take over when the time came.

That just flat out never happened. ILB was a plagued position for us. Dorsey had Derrick Johnson, but that was it, and whenever he was injured (or in the case of last year, old) then we were screwed. Nothing he threw at the position was good. Nico Johnson never worked. Ramik Wilson never worked. Same goes for all the high-upside low-risk signings of James Michael-Johnson, Justin March, and even Josh Mauga (who we ended up EXTENDING). Akeem Jordan wasn't used much, Joe Mays was a free agent bust that we ended up eating dead money over. DJ Alexander and subsequently Kevin Pierre-Louis just weren't starting material, either.

When Veach started the job, the ILB position was a huge weakness. In just over a calendar year and with two transactions, that position is now a strength of the team, and it's deeper than I think I've ever seen it ever since we switched to the 3-4.
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KPass hasn’t proven anything
And? Yet people including you, are pretty excited about what he may bring. And what happened to not judging a draft class too early? Is Kpass not depth all of a sudden?
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Sure, but I think it's fair to say Dorsey was always thinking about life after DJ, and he seemed to want to do it over the years where he would first find a stud that could play next to DJ and eventually take over when the time came.

That just flat out never happened. ILB was a plagued position for us. Dorsey had Derrick Johnson, but that was it, and whenever he was injured (or in the case of last year, old) then we were screwed. Nothing he threw at the position was good. Nico Johnson never worked. Ramik Wilson never worked. Same goes for all the high-upside low-risk signings of James Michael-Johnson, Justin March, and even Josh Mauga (who we ended up EXTENDING). Akeem Jordan wasn't used much, Joe Mays was a free agent bust that we ended up eating dead money over. DJ Alexander and subsequently Kevin Pierre-Louis just weren't starting material, either.

When Veach started the job, the ILB position was a huge weakness. In just over a calendar year and with two transactions, that position is now a strength of the team, and it's deeper than I think I've ever seen it ever since we switched to the 3-4.
Absolutely.

But man, o' man, people around here saw a lot of potential in those guys when they were on the roster. Well, not Mauga but i clearly remember all the Wilson, JMJ, KPL, DJL Alexander and March hype trains.

No different than the Eligwe hype now. And our ILB group is not something i would call strong right now. Ragland had knee issues, and it's haunting us right now. Hitchens should be good, but that's about all we have.

Hitchens is the only real commodity we have there. Ragland was ok last season and his knee problems are rearing its ugly head.
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And? Yet people including you, are pretty excited about what he may bring. And what happened to not judging a draft class too early? Is Kpass not depth all of a sudden?
You can’t say someone is inheriting a great talent when said player hasn’t even played yet and proven themselves.
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Meanwhile...how's that corner position looking for Veach?
So far? Amerson looks better than I thought he would, Tremon Smith looks better than I thought he would, and Kendall Fuller looks like a pro-bowler.
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So far? Amerson looks better than I thought he would, Tremon Smith looks better than I thought he would, and Kendall Fuller looks like a pro-bowler.
If we don't get a pass rush, CB isn't going to matter a whole lot.
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You can’t say someone is inheriting a great talent when said player hasn’t even played yet and proven themselves.
So now you don't consider him a talent?

And i like how we chose to remove all the offensive talent that Dorsey left for Veach as if that somehow shouldn't count.

"Shhh...lets just focus on the weakest part of the team right now that was going to need rebuilding whether Dorsey was here or not".
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Well yeah but that's neither here nor there.
let me rephrase that....if Bob Sutton doesn't let our defense pressure the QB then the QB is going to **** our CBs all game long.

This 3 man rush shit don't cut it.
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