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Direckshun · 01-03-2017, 12:25 AM

First glances at several QBs we're going to give a shit about over the next four months. Feel free to set me straight.

DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame
6'4", 230 lbs
26-9 TD-INT, 59%, 2925 passing yards

I get a Cutlerian vibe from this guy. Seems to be built like a franchise QB. Powerful arm, some beautiful passes, perfect bodytype. But he is lacking an "it" factor, is he not? He's not a world-beating, overcome-the-odds, particularly spiriting QB. Looks like he could have an okay career in the NFL in which he wins nothing of consequence.

Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina
6'3", 220 lbs
30-6 TD-INT, 69%, 3748 passing yards

Well if there was one Andy Reid QB in this entire draft, it's Trubisky, isn't it? Super accurate, doesn't take too many risks with the ball, is very mentally tough and very athletic. He's a slam dunk for the Chiefs to trade up for, if he lasts to the 20s, but in a QB-starved NFL with at least 6 new head coaches looking for their QB, there's no chance he lasts to us.

Quesadilla Joe · 01-26-2018, 01:56 PM

Throw of the week at the #SeniorBowl? Our analysts went for Josh Allen's deep bomb to Michael Gallup in the WR-CB one-on-one drill pic.twitter.com/cF8ni62COy
— Pro Football Focus (@PFF) January 26, 2018

Quesadilla Joe · 01-27-2018, 07:22 AM

Interesting to see how many more passes the North QB's threw.

From our partners @ZebraTechnology > Shows total throws and average percentages on speed for our QBs over the 3 practices this week. We'll have performance data after each quarter of Saturday's game - LIVE on @nflnetwork at 2:30pm ET! pic.twitter.com/U4NWKjtrf3
— Reese's Senior Bowl (@seniorbowl) January 27, 2018

Quesadilla Joe · 01-27-2018, 07:53 AM

Question No. 1: You're an NFL GM with a top-10 pick, and Mayfield and Allen are both on the board. Who are you taking and why?

Spoiler!

Mel Kiper Jr., ESPN NFL draft expert: Allen. We know he has the big arm, but he got better every day in Mobile. Allen was overthrowing on Tuesday, trying to showcase his arm while alternating reps with Mayfield & Co. That's when you could send his timing was off with receivers he had just met. But he made dramatic progress throughout the week, and was much better by Thursday. His ceiling is so high -- he could make throws down there that no one else could make. People always ask me about comps -- well, how about Matthew Stafford? He completed 57.1 percent of his passes in 39 games at Georgia. Stafford has been better in the NFL, and I think Allen will improve in the pros, too.

Todd McShay, ESPN NFL draft expert: Allen. Boy, this is a tough one. We're still a ways from the end of the process, but I'd lean Allen right now because of his frame and arm talent. A big part of it depends on what scheme I'm running as a head coach. But it's a legitimate debate between these two right now.

Steve Muench, Scouts Inc. draft expert: Mayfield. The bottom line is that it's easy to fall in love with Allen's tools, and it shouldn't surprise anyone if he develops into the face of a franchise. But Mayfield is the better quarterback right now, and this wouldn't be as much of a debate if Mayfield were two inches taller. He has completed better than 70 percent of his passes the past two seasons and is much more consistent. While Allen has the stronger arm, Mayfield is capable of driving the ball downfield and squeezing it into tight pockets. Both are athletic enough to buy time and scramble for first downs. Both are leaders with chips on their shoulders, but Mayfield is a four-year starter who led the Sooners to a win at Ohio State and two berths in the College Football Playoff. Allen is a two-year starter who didn't play on the same kind of stage or face the same kind of external pressures.

Matt Bowen, NFL writer: Mayfield. Allen has all the natural tools with that monster 6-foot-5 frame, ridiculous arm talent and the mobility to move outside of the pocket. There is a ton of raw talent to his game but some inconsistencies as well that need to be addressed. That's also why I'm going with Mayfield here. Looking back at his super productive tape at Oklahoma, and his rise in practice this week, Mayfield's accuracy, anticipation and quick release are a perfect fit for today's NFL game. He has a great feel for how to attack throwing windows, the touch is there, and he can drive the ball when he has to target tight coverage. Plus, I'm also going to look at the intangibles. Mayfield brought serious energy to the practice field in Mobile. And teammates gravitate to him. That's key when building an offense around a young quarterback.

Jeff Legwold, NFL Nation writer: Mayfield. At the moment there would be some talent evaluators in the league who would say neither of those players would be in the top 10 if prospects were stacked solely on grade rather than position -- quarterbacks in the first-round are often drafted above their true grade. But Mayfield, who played 21 more college games than Allen, is a more advanced player at the position and throws with better anticipation. In 11-on-11 work in Mobile, Mayfield showed he can run the show with composure and confidence. He's my pick here.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/in...g-quarterbacks

Quesadilla Joe · 01-27-2018, 05:51 PM

Josh Allen was named the North team's Most Outstanding Player in the Senior Bowl. Was 9-of-13 for 158 passing yards and 2 TDs. Also ran for 25 yards.
— Nicki Jhabvala (@NickiJhabvala) January 27, 2018

RunKC · 01-27-2018, 05:57 PM

That confirms it. Dorsey will draft Josh Allen. He always drafts Senior Bowl standouts...

Quesadilla Joe · 01-27-2018, 07:35 PM

The buzz for @JoshAllenQB is about to hit a new high.

7 prospects who helped themselves in @seniorbowl: https://t.co/VjY2pVL1Lm (via @MoveTheSticks) pic.twitter.com/Hk5p23GvV2
— CollegeFootball 24/7 (@NFLDraft) January 28, 2018

Spoiler!

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-27-2018, 10:32 PM

The KnowMo fluffeth...

BryanBusby · 01-27-2018, 10:54 PM

Josh Allen reminds me of Rex Grossman

RunKC · 01-28-2018, 08:41 AM

Some Teams Scared of Drafting Josh Rosen

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...ramming-league

Yup

Quesadilla Joe · 01-28-2018, 07:35 PM

Mayfield to the Browns?

Quote:

Robinson establishes a connection between the Browns and Baker Mayfield by drawing lines between Mayfield and G.M. John Dorsey.

“A lot of what he is as a player fits with the mentality of John Dorsey,” an unnamed source told Robinson. “Just his mental makeup as a player, John believes in building around those kinds of guys. . . . I think he’s a strong candidate [for the top pick] after this week.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...rowns-at-no-1/

BryanBusby · 01-28-2018, 08:33 PM

Its been pretty known that Dorsey likes Mayfield.

Could see Barkley or Chubb at 1 and Mayfield at 4.

Quesadilla Joe · 01-29-2018, 12:33 PM

Josh Allen made some really beautiful throws during the Senior Bowl week of practices. I'm a lot more intrigued by him as a prospect than I was a week ago. pic.twitter.com/adAbmv34qz
— Sam Monson (@PFF_Sam) January 29, 2018

Priest31kc · 01-29-2018, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

Yes, Allen put some bad things on film. I still think his upside is higher than Mahomes'.

Quesadilla Joe · 01-29-2018, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Priest31kc

NFL Executives agree...

Quote:

Here’s how one AFC exec described the three to me on Wednesday:

Allen: “He has the best traits of the three—size, athletics, arm strength. He’s just raw. Picture a better version of Patrick Mahomes.”

https://www.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/15/a...icamp-notebook

**Tribal Warfare** · 01-29-2018, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

NFL Executives agree...

https://www.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/15/a...icamp-notebook

that's a summer 2017 article

01-03-2017, 12:25 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch	QB Impressions First glances at several QBs we're going to give a shit about over the next four months. Feel free to set me straight. DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame 6'4", 230 lbs 26-9 TD-INT, 59%, 2925 passing yards I get a Cutlerian vibe from this guy. Seems to be built like a franchise QB. Powerful arm, some beautiful passes, perfect bodytype. But he is lacking an "it" factor, is he not? He's not a world-beating, overcome-the-odds, particularly spiriting QB. Looks like he could have an okay career in the NFL in which he wins nothing of consequence. Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina 6'3", 220 lbs 30-6 TD-INT, 69%, 3748 passing yards Well if there was one Andy Reid QB in this entire draft, it's Trubisky, isn't it? Super accurate, doesn't take too many risks with the ball, is very mentally tough and very athletic. He's a slam dunk for the Chiefs to trade up for, if he lasts to the 20s, but in a QB-starved NFL with at least 6 new head coaches looking for their QB, there's no chance he lasts to us.
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01-26-2018, 01:56 PM	#901
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Quesadilla Joe's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2008	Throw of the week at the #SeniorBowl? Our analysts went for Josh Allen's deep bomb to Michael Gallup in the WR-CB one-on-one drill pic.twitter.com/cF8ni62COy — Pro Football Focus (@PFF) January 26, 2018
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01-27-2018, 07:22 AM	#902
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Quesadilla Joe's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2008	Interesting to see how many more passes the North QB's threw. From our partners @ZebraTechnology > Shows total throws and average percentages on speed for our QBs over the 3 practices this week. We'll have performance data after each quarter of Saturday's game - LIVE on @nflnetwork at 2:30pm ET! pic.twitter.com/U4NWKjtrf3 — Reese's Senior Bowl (@seniorbowl) January 27, 2018
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01-27-2018, 07:53 AM	#903
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Quesadilla Joe's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2008	Question No. 1: You're an NFL GM with a top-10 pick, and Mayfield and Allen are both on the board. Who are you taking and why? Spoiler! Mel Kiper Jr., ESPN NFL draft expert: Allen. We know he has the big arm, but he got better every day in Mobile. Allen was overthrowing on Tuesday, trying to showcase his arm while alternating reps with Mayfield & Co. That's when you could send his timing was off with receivers he had just met. But he made dramatic progress throughout the week, and was much better by Thursday. His ceiling is so high -- he could make throws down there that no one else could make. People always ask me about comps -- well, how about Matthew Stafford? He completed 57.1 percent of his passes in 39 games at Georgia. Stafford has been better in the NFL, and I think Allen will improve in the pros, too. Todd McShay, ESPN NFL draft expert: Allen. Boy, this is a tough one. We're still a ways from the end of the process, but I'd lean Allen right now because of his frame and arm talent. A big part of it depends on what scheme I'm running as a head coach. But it's a legitimate debate between these two right now. Steve Muench, Scouts Inc. draft expert: Mayfield. The bottom line is that it's easy to fall in love with Allen's tools, and it shouldn't surprise anyone if he develops into the face of a franchise. But Mayfield is the better quarterback right now, and this wouldn't be as much of a debate if Mayfield were two inches taller. He has completed better than 70 percent of his passes the past two seasons and is much more consistent. While Allen has the stronger arm, Mayfield is capable of driving the ball downfield and squeezing it into tight pockets. Both are athletic enough to buy time and scramble for first downs. Both are leaders with chips on their shoulders, but Mayfield is a four-year starter who led the Sooners to a win at Ohio State and two berths in the College Football Playoff. Allen is a two-year starter who didn't play on the same kind of stage or face the same kind of external pressures. Matt Bowen, NFL writer: Mayfield. Allen has all the natural tools with that monster 6-foot-5 frame, ridiculous arm talent and the mobility to move outside of the pocket. There is a ton of raw talent to his game but some inconsistencies as well that need to be addressed. That's also why I'm going with Mayfield here. Looking back at his super productive tape at Oklahoma, and his rise in practice this week, Mayfield's accuracy, anticipation and quick release are a perfect fit for today's NFL game. He has a great feel for how to attack throwing windows, the touch is there, and he can drive the ball when he has to target tight coverage. Plus, I'm also going to look at the intangibles. Mayfield brought serious energy to the practice field in Mobile. And teammates gravitate to him. That's key when building an offense around a young quarterback. Jeff Legwold, NFL Nation writer: Mayfield. At the moment there would be some talent evaluators in the league who would say neither of those players would be in the top 10 if prospects were stacked solely on grade rather than position -- quarterbacks in the first-round are often drafted above their true grade. But Mayfield, who played 21 more college games than Allen, is a more advanced player at the position and throws with better anticipation. In 11-on-11 work in Mobile, Mayfield showed he can run the show with composure and confidence. He's my pick here. http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/in...g-quarterbacks
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01-27-2018, 05:51 PM	#904
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Quesadilla Joe's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2008	Josh Allen was named the North team's Most Outstanding Player in the Senior Bowl. Was 9-of-13 for 158 passing yards and 2 TDs. Also ran for 25 yards. — Nicki Jhabvala (@NickiJhabvala) January 27, 2018
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01-27-2018, 05:57 PM	#905
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter RunKC's Avatar Join Date: Apr 2012	That confirms it. Dorsey will draft Josh Allen. He always drafts Senior Bowl standouts...
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01-27-2018, 07:35 PM	#906
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Quesadilla Joe's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2008	The buzz for @JoshAllenQB is about to hit a new high. 7 prospects who helped themselves in @seniorbowl: https://t.co/VjY2pVL1Lm (via @MoveTheSticks) pic.twitter.com/Hk5p23GvV2 — CollegeFootball 24/7 (@NFLDraft) January 28, 2018 Spoiler! Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming Allen is going to build momentum in scouting circles coming out of the Senior Bowl. He's already considered one of the top prospects at his position, and I expect there to be even more excitement about him now. He didn't have a lot of success in the first half, and could have shut it down at that point, but he didn't. He came back out to start the second half, and I love that he did. He competed, and he showed his complete skill set in second half, finishing the day 9-of-13 for 158 yards and 2 TDs. We saw his strength to be able to absorb hits and make throws despite the contact. We saw his athletic ability when he took off and ran a couple times. We also saw the fastball that everybody talks about -- he gets plenty of juice on his throws. However, both of his TD passes in the third quarter were beautiful touch throws. I also liked watching him interact with his teammates in this game. He had a lot of energy, and you could see guys rally around him. The fact that he hasn't fared well against Power Five teams in his career has been one of the biggest knocks against Allen, but he took advantage of the opportunity this week to show the NFL that he can compete against elite talents. I came into the week with Mayfield ranked one spot ahead of Allen on my board, and it remains very close between those QBs. I'm not ready to call that race just yet. Allen has some rough edges that he still needs to smooth out, but we got a glimpse on Saturday of what it looks like when it all clicks for him. He makes throws that no one else can make.
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01-27-2018, 10:32 PM	#907
Sweet Daddy Hate Unsparing Sweet Daddy Hate's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2008	The KnowMo fluffeth...
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01-27-2018, 10:54 PM	#908
BryanBusby In Search of a Life BryanBusby's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2006	Josh Allen reminds me of Rex Grossman
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01-28-2018, 08:41 AM	#909
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter RunKC's Avatar Join Date: Apr 2012	Some Teams Scared of Drafting Josh Rosen http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...ramming-league Yup
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01-28-2018, 08:33 PM	#911
BryanBusby In Search of a Life BryanBusby's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2006	Its been pretty known that Dorsey likes Mayfield. Could see Barkley or Chubb at 1 and Mayfield at 4.
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01-29-2018, 12:33 PM	#912
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Quesadilla Joe's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2008	Josh Allen made some really beautiful throws during the Senior Bowl week of practices. I'm a lot more intrigued by him as a prospect than I was a week ago. pic.twitter.com/adAbmv34qz — Sam Monson (@PFF_Sam) January 29, 2018
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