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Old 11-23-2020, 11:15 AM  
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Patrick Mahomes is now the overwhelming NFL MVP favorite
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NFL odds: After Sunday night, Patrick Mahomes is now the overwhelming NFL MVP favorite

Frank Schwab 2 hrs ago

We can cease and desist with any debate about someone other than Patrick Mahomes being the NFL MVP favorite.

You’ll hear people argue that Kyler Murray, Russell Wilson, Alvin Kamara or anyone else should be “in the conversation,” but the only real talk is that the Kansas City Chiefs quarterback is the overwhelming favorite until further notice. Everyone else is vying for NFL offensive player of the year, though Mahomes should probably win that too.

Sunday night’s heroics, leading a game-winning drive over the Las Vegas Raiders everyone knew was coming, solidified Mahomes’ position. He’s the best player in football and he’s having a phenomenal year.

The odds at BetMGM reflect that.

Mahomes is -118 to win MVP at BetMGM. Next on the list is Wilson at +350. Aaron Rodgers is +550 and nobody else is less than 12-to-1.
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Old 12-11-2020, 10:20 PM   #256
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Like the Collinsworth video suggests, the argument that Rodgers has less talent around him seems to be gaining steam. It's all about the narrative and they'll use "less talent" to negate fewer yards and only 2 more picks. Especially with Rodgers throwing around 50 fewer passes and having more TDs.

Unless Rodgers turns in a stinker, Mahomes may need to ball out, get 5000 yards or take the TD lead, and make sure they stay at one loss. If it stays reasonably close I think they'll give it to Rogers at this point.
I had been meaning to post something along these very same lines for about a week now. If it's close, it's going to go to Rodgers.

Adams is for all intents and purposes equal to tyreek.
Jones is greater than ceh. (At this point in careers)
Lazard is a downgrade from Watkins but not terribly so.
MVS is at least equal to Hardman.
So the only real big drop off in talent is at te. And it is a big deal to have someone like Kelce instead of tonyan.
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Old 12-11-2020, 10:29 PM   #257
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Arguing that Rodgers has less talent around him is disingenuous. One could argue they have a better defense, at least statistically, and that in combination with their arguably stronger offensive line allows them to run the ball more, and more effectively. More balance means more options for Rodgers behind center.

(I wouldn't actually make this argument, I'm just acknowledging that it could be made)
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Old 12-11-2020, 10:45 PM   #258
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Rodgers has a much better oline than Patrick has.
He does, but all the "Rodgers has less talent" people want to talk about is that he doesn't have a duo like Kelce and Tyreek.
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Old 12-11-2020, 11:57 PM   #259
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Like the Collinsworth video suggests, the argument that Rodgers has less talent around him seems to be gaining steam. It's all about the narrative and they'll use "less talent" to negate fewer yards and only 2 more picks. Especially with Rodgers throwing around 50 fewer passes and having more TDs.

Unless Rodgers turns in a stinker, Mahomes may need to ball out, get 5000 yards or take the TD lead, and make sure they stay at one loss. If it stays reasonably close I think they'll give it to Rogers at this point.
Rodgers already had bad games. Mahomes hasn't. Easier schedule and less wins.
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Old 12-12-2020, 12:01 AM   #260
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I know of only one reporter who over explains all the great players from the Chiefs having to do with why Patrick is so go good and that would be Stephen A Smith... ohhh and Skip Bayless.
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Old 12-12-2020, 02:46 AM   #261
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Rodgers will have fewer wins and yards with more interceptions than Mahomes.
Again, my vote is clearly for mahomes. But this isn't like mahomes brees a few years ago, or mahomes Russell Wilson where the argument is just nonsense. Unlike those guys Rodgers is having a clear mvp season if not for mahomes.
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Old 12-12-2020, 05:09 AM   #262
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I'm surprised Ben Nieman isn't in the conversation! Just sad.
True. Far too many people think the MVP needs to go to the best QB in the league..

But if they would just examine Nieman's entire body of work....
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Old 12-13-2020, 12:37 PM   #263
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Yeah, well...congrats Rodgers.
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Old 12-13-2020, 03:30 PM   #264
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Yeah, well...congrats Rodgers.
Go **** yourself.
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Old 12-13-2020, 03:32 PM   #265
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Yeah, well...congrats Rodgers.
lol shut up idiot
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Old 12-13-2020, 03:33 PM   #266
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Mahomes was ahead of Rodgers significantly going into this game, despite what some pundits may tell you.

Now it’s just close again. MVP is officially up for grabs between Pat & Aaron these last 3 weeks.

The MVP trophy, presented to you by State Farm.
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Old 12-13-2020, 03:35 PM   #267
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You lot can't read sarcasm for shit lol.




Mahomes is still the favorite because of team record. Chiefs have a strong chance of going 15-1 and if that happens he's a shoe in.


If Andy didn't waste so many 2nd half possessions by running the ball on every first down Mahomes would probably have more TDs, but alas. Rodgers is likely to finish with a notable TD lead.
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Mahomes was ahead of Rodgers significantly going into this game, despite what some pundits may tell you.

Now it’s just close again. MVP is officially up for grabs between Pat & Aaron these last 3 weeks.

The MVP trophy, presented to you by State Farm.
If Rodgers is still in it after throwing pick sixes and getting BLOWN OUT by the Bucs, then Mahomes is absolutely still in it after a 3 pick day where he also got almost 400 yards and 2 TDs and ****in won.
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Mahomes was ahead of Rodgers significantly going into this game, despite what some pundits may tell you.

Now it’s just close again. MVP is officially up for grabs between Pat & Aaron these last 3 weeks.

The MVP trophy, presented to you by State Farm.
If Mahomes plays well against the Saints next week on the national stage, his flukey INTs this week will be quickly forgotten.
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Rodgers will win now unless his TDs take a dive
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