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Old 11-21-2018, 08:27 AM  
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NFL MVP... Brees or Mahomes
So, I think the race comes down to these two guys and could honestly support either winning it all. Take away either player and that team is going to suck. One has vastly better stats, one has fewer losses on the season (team stat).

67.5% Completion / 117.9 QBR / 3,628 yards / 37 TD / 10 INT (186 rushing yards / 2 TDs)
76.9% Completion / 126.9 QBR / 2,964 yards / 25 TD / 1 INT (28 rushing yards / 3 TDs)

Both have their teams at the top of their conferences. One is at the end of the road, the other just getting started. Brees has never earned an MVP and is breaking career records left and right.

Are you fine either way... do you feel that Mahomes without question is the MVP over Brees? Maybe this is the ultimate test of "does the leauge really hate KC"?
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Old 11-22-2018, 11:09 PM   #181
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I’d love it if Mahomes could throw for 170 yards and the Chiefs could still win by 14.

But that’s not possible. Mahomes has to put up big numbers every game otherwise KC loses
How does that make him (Mahomes) better (go ahead... flame me)
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Old 11-22-2018, 11:11 PM   #182
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How does that make him (Mahomes) better (go ahead... flame me)
Brees is better than Mahomes, always was

But Mahomes deserves MVP over Brees because he puts up better numbers. Mahomes is required to do more.
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Old 11-22-2018, 11:12 PM   #183
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Lol. Like two weeks ago Bayless was crowing that Tom Brady should be the MVP of the league.

His only goal is to stir shit. I don't even think the man knows what the **** he even believes anymore.
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Old 11-22-2018, 11:13 PM   #184
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Lol. Like two weeks ago Bayless was crowing that Tom Brady should be the MVP of the league.

His only goal is to stir shit. I don't even think the man knows what the **** he even believes anymore.
Our quarterback has 1000 more yards and 20 more touchdowns than Brady

Let that sink in for a moment
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Old 11-22-2018, 11:14 PM   #185
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Lol. Like two weeks ago Bayless was crowing that Tom Brady should be the MVP of the league.

His only goal is to stir shit. I don't even think the man knows what the **** he even believes anymore.
I listen to his brother ****Skip
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Old 11-22-2018, 11:25 PM   #186
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What I hate is that every talking head that supports Brees as MVP talks about how he has never won an MVP and they use that fact as one of the deciding factors in believing he should be the MVP.

It's not a damn lifetime achievement award, and a player missing out in past seasons should have absolutely zero impact on who wins it this year.
That's the talking point only because he's 39 years old, and not that he doesn't deserve it this year.

Simple fact is that if the season ends right now, the Saints finished with a better record and Brees had a better year. This would be the exact same situation we saw play out in 2011 with Aaron Rodgers finishing with the best passer rating in NFL history while Brees also had a historically great season including more TDs, a better completion %, and way more passing yards than Rodgers. But his team was 13-3 vs Rodgers's 15-1, and Rodgers had a better passer rating.

Brees won offensive player of the year, while Mahomes would likely win it this year with Brees winning MVP.

That being said, people need to stop moving goalposts on this award. Brees should have won in 2009. #1 seed, more TDs, better completion %, fewer INTs, and much better passer rating than Peyton, but Peyton still won it because people thought the Saints were going to be one and done in the playoffs.

If Brees wins, his critics will say he only won because it's a lifetime achievement award, which is complete BS. Mahomes is having an all time great season, but Brees is having the most efficient season ever for a QB to this point. Plus his team has the best record.
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Old 11-22-2018, 11:30 PM   #187
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The stats everyone keeps spouting off as reasons why he should win are pretty pointless. Id much rather have the QB with more TDs and yards over the QB with the high completion rate and lack of interceptions. Mahomes has nearly 500 more yards than Brees and Brees has completed more passes than Mahomes and is still not even close in yards or TDs. So how is that more valuable?
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Old 11-22-2018, 11:35 PM   #188
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That's the talking point only because he's 39 years old, and not that he doesn't deserve it this year.

Simple fact is that if the season ends right now, the Saints finished with a better record and Brees had a better year. This would be the exact same situation we saw play out in 2011 with Aaron Rodgers finishing with the best passer rating in NFL history while Brees also had a historically great season including more TDs, a better completion %, and way more passing yards than Rodgers. But his team was 13-3 vs Rodgers's 15-1, and Rodgers had a better passer rating.

Brees won offensive player of the year, while Mahomes would likely win it this year with Brees winning MVP.

That being said, people need to stop moving goalposts on this award. Brees should have won in 2009. #1 seed, more TDs, better completion %, fewer INTs, and much better passer rating than Peyton, but Peyton still won it because people thought the Saints were going to be one and done in the playoffs.

If Brees wins, his critics will say he only won because it's a lifetime achievement award, which is complete BS. Mahomes is having an all time great season, but Brees is having the most efficient season ever for a QB to this point. Plus his team has the best record.
Peyton won in 2009 cuz he had more yards, 1 less td and he had 7 game winning drives. He definitely deserved it over Brees.

2011 I could see going either way. Brees had only 1 more td pass, but 8 more INTs. Brees had alot more yards, but he also threw the ball 155 more times than Rodgers. Honestly I could see it going either way.
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Old 11-22-2018, 11:42 PM   #189
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Thing driving me nuts is people bringing up the turnovers on MNF this week. Because an entire season of work will come down to the one game that had multiple turnovers yet you only lost by 3 points while scoring 44 on offense.

He couldn't do anything about the strip sack fumbles because that should really fall on the line for getting him crushed. One INT was hit in the air on release.
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Old 11-22-2018, 11:56 PM   #190
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Thing driving me nuts is people bringing up the turnovers on MNF this week. Because an entire season of work will come down to the one game that had multiple turnovers yet you only lost by 3 points while scoring 44 on offense.

He couldn't do anything about the strip sack fumbles because that should really fall on the line for getting him crushed. One INT was hit in the air on release.
The 2 strip/sacks were both tip your cap to Donald, Mahomes had no chance. The last turnover was basically a hail mary with 15 secs left in the game from our own 25. The 2nd to last interception he got hit as he threw.
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Old 11-23-2018, 12:01 AM   #191
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The 2 strip/sacks were both tip your cap to Donald, Mahomes had no chance. The last turnover was basically a hail mary with 15 secs left in the game from our own 25. The 2nd to last interception he got hit as he threw.
Yeah, hail marys suck for stats. Its literally a throw away pass. But they get credit if its a TD so they have to get stuck with the INT too.

But I swear if I hear another person bring up turnovers from that game. JFC
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Yeah, hail marys suck for stats. Its literally a throw away pass. But they get credit if its a TD so they have to get stuck with the INT too.

But I swear if I hear another person bring up turnovers from that game. JFC
It's just easier for the Media to lump him into the "it's Brett Favre all over again" narrative.
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Old 11-23-2018, 12:28 AM   #193
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The league doesn't want to give this award to a n00b, just like it didn't want its LA investment team getting its ass kicked in prime time.
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The league doesn't want to give this award to a n00b, just like it didn't want its LA investment team getting its ass kicked in prime time.
I got a real kick out of ESPN posting on facebook that "The Rams ran the Chiefs out of LA" Such horseshit.
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I got a real kick out of ESPN posting on facebook that "The Firefighters ran the Chiefs out of LA" Such horseshit.
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