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Mile High Mania · 11-21-2018, 08:27 AM

So, I think the race comes down to these two guys and could honestly support either winning it all. Take away either player and that team is going to suck. One has vastly better stats, one has fewer losses on the season (team stat).

67.5% Completion / 117.9 QBR / 3,628 yards / 37 TD / 10 INT (186 rushing yards / 2 TDs)
76.9% Completion / 126.9 QBR / 2,964 yards / 25 TD / 1 INT (28 rushing yards / 3 TDs)

Both have their teams at the top of their conferences. One is at the end of the road, the other just getting started. Brees has never earned an MVP and is breaking career records left and right.

Are you fine either way... do you feel that Mahomes without question is the MVP over Brees? Maybe this is the ultimate test of "does the leauge really hate KC"?

BWillie · 11-21-2018, 08:57 AM

Have to go Brees at this time unfortunately

Yehoodi · 11-21-2018, 08:58 AM

Although he played well offensive Sunday night, the three picks and two fumbles hurt. Also, the chiefs have lost two of the under the lights games against the better teams in the league when the Saints beat the Rams.

Mahomes has more TDs and more yards, on the other hand Brees only has one INT, a higher QB rating and higher completion percentage (nearly 5% points over the record he set last year). So Brees could set the completion percentage and be near the top of fewest INT (Brady at 2 is record).

As it stand now i have Brees the leader, but there are still 5 games to play and anything can happen.

**wazu** · 11-21-2018, 09:01 AM

I vote Mahomes. All I really care is that he wins Super Bowl MVP, though.

**mlyonsd** · 11-21-2018, 09:02 AM

Depends on the post season.

patteeu · 11-21-2018, 09:03 AM

It's not a career award, so Mahomes, but I bet Brees is the frontrunner now because of career accomplishments.

O.city · 11-21-2018, 09:05 AM

I'd give it to Brees at this point. Mahomes has been awesome, but Brees is just on a crazy pace.

InChiefsHeaven · 11-21-2018, 09:07 AM

If the MVP is equivalent to a lifetime achievment award, then Brees gets it hands down. The 5 turnover night for Mahomes makes that a little easier, but damn, unless something bad happens Mahomes should break the records for TD's and yardage. How is that not MVP? Too bad for Brees that he wasn't able to accomplish this stuff last season.

But yeah, I'd rather have a SB and screw that other stuff.

**The Franchise** · 11-21-2018, 09:08 AM

Mahomes should win it. Bree’s has the better overall team around him. Better offensive line and defense for sure.

Gravedigger · 11-21-2018, 09:26 AM

It depends on if the voters want to reward flawless efficiency or if they want to reward lavish numbers. I could see them going either way, if Patrick keeps up with his TDs, eclipsing Tom Brady's number or amazingly getting the record from Manning, and gets the Chiefs a first round bye in his Rookie season, you can't argue with that with efficiency and nostalgic feelings of Brees should get one in his career.

I think if you're talking MVP, Most Valuable Player, then you should go with Brees. He's more valuable to the Saints than Mahomes is to the Chiefs. We've seen Andy Reid take teams with Alex Smith at the helm to the playoffs for years now, he would be able to do it again without Mahomes. I can't say the same for Brees though, I don't think Sean Payton could guarantee a playoff spot to Alex Smith if he was on the Saints and Brees wasn't.

Just as long as you never mention Todd Gurley "in the race" again, we're good. No RB is competing with QB's for MVP in this league for the forseeable future, no matter how good he is.

O.city · 11-21-2018, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Pest

Mahomes should win it. Bree’s has the better overall team around him. Better offensive line and defense for sure.

Offensive line for sure and running game.

But weapons wise, not really. The Chiefs weapons are probably the best in the league when everyone is a go.

**The Franchise** · 11-21-2018, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Offensive line for sure and running game.

But weapons wise, not really. The Chiefs weapons are probably the best in the league when everyone is a go.

Look at the defense though.

O.city · 11-21-2018, 09:31 AM

Chris Simms had a good segment about it on his podcast. He says the Chiefs offense is based more around Mahomes and Brees is a bit more cog in the machine.

OKchiefs · 11-21-2018, 09:31 AM

Brees will win, and that's okay. Mahomes'time will come. In 2 years Brees will be retired or a shell of his former self, whereas Mahomes should still have 15 more years of dominance. Saints fans are about to join Patriots, Chargers, and Steelers fans rooting for bottom feeder franchises.

O.city · 11-21-2018, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The Pest

Look at the defense though.

Cheifs d is leading the league in sacks.

Best22 · 11-21-2018, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

It is going to be similar to the 98 Super Bowl that Elway was gifted on his way out.
Many of the talking heads were saying he was the best QB ever not to have won a Super Bowl. Just like they are talking about Brees now, not having won an MVP.
Cooking spray anyone?

Seriously though, unless Brees shits the bed, the 5 turnover game probably ended it for Mahomes.

That wasn’t a gift. 1998 Broncos were stacked

There was cheating involved but they created (illegally) the bet team in football

11-21-2018, 08:27 AM
Mile High Mania #triggering Mile High Mania's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas	NFL MVP... Brees or Mahomes So, I think the race comes down to these two guys and could honestly support either winning it all. Take away either player and that team is going to suck. One has vastly better stats, one has fewer losses on the season (team stat). 67.5% Completion / 117.9 QBR / 3,628 yards / 37 TD / 10 INT (186 rushing yards / 2 TDs) 76.9% Completion / 126.9 QBR / 2,964 yards / 25 TD / 1 INT (28 rushing yards / 3 TDs) Both have their teams at the top of their conferences. One is at the end of the road, the other just getting started. Brees has never earned an MVP and is breaking career records left and right. Are you fine either way... do you feel that Mahomes without question is the MVP over Brees? Maybe this is the ultimate test of "does the leauge really hate KC"?
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11-21-2018, 08:57 AM	#16
BWillie Future NBA Finals MVP BWillie's Avatar Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Earth	Have to go Brees at this time unfortunately
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11-21-2018, 08:58 AM	#17
Yehoodi Starter Yehoodi's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Massachusetts	Although he played well offensive Sunday night, the three picks and two fumbles hurt. Also, the chiefs have lost two of the under the lights games against the better teams in the league when the Saints beat the Rams. Mahomes has more TDs and more yards, on the other hand Brees only has one INT, a higher QB rating and higher completion percentage (nearly 5% points over the record he set last year). So Brees could set the completion percentage and be near the top of fewest INT (Brady at 2 is record). As it stand now i have Brees the leader, but there are still 5 games to play and anything can happen.
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11-21-2018, 09:01 AM	#18
wazu ... wazu's Avatar Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO	I vote Mahomes. All I really care is that he wins Super Bowl MVP, though.
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11-21-2018, 09:02 AM	#19
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11-21-2018, 09:03 AM	#20
patteeu The 23rd Pillar patteeu's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2002	It's not a career award, so Mahomes, but I bet Brees is the frontrunner now because of career accomplishments.
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11-21-2018, 09:05 AM	#21
O.city In Search of a Life O.city's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2009	I'd give it to Brees at this point. Mahomes has been awesome, but Brees is just on a crazy pace.
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11-21-2018, 09:07 AM	#22
InChiefsHeaven Rockin' yer FACE OFF! InChiefsHeaven's Avatar Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Omaha, Nebraska	If the MVP is equivalent to a lifetime achievment award, then Brees gets it hands down. The 5 turnover night for Mahomes makes that a little easier, but damn, unless something bad happens Mahomes should break the records for TD's and yardage. How is that not MVP? Too bad for Brees that he wasn't able to accomplish this stuff last season. But yeah, I'd rather have a SB and screw that other stuff.
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11-21-2018, 09:08 AM	#23
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain The Franchise's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2006	Mahomes should win it. Bree’s has the better overall team around him. Better offensive line and defense for sure.
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11-21-2018, 09:26 AM	#24
Gravedigger Plays to win the game! Gravedigger's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lees Summit	It depends on if the voters want to reward flawless efficiency or if they want to reward lavish numbers. I could see them going either way, if Patrick keeps up with his TDs, eclipsing Tom Brady's number or amazingly getting the record from Manning, and gets the Chiefs a first round bye in his Rookie season, you can't argue with that with efficiency and nostalgic feelings of Brees should get one in his career. I think if you're talking MVP, Most Valuable Player, then you should go with Brees. He's more valuable to the Saints than Mahomes is to the Chiefs. We've seen Andy Reid take teams with Alex Smith at the helm to the playoffs for years now, he would be able to do it again without Mahomes. I can't say the same for Brees though, I don't think Sean Payton could guarantee a playoff spot to Alex Smith if he was on the Saints and Brees wasn't. Just as long as you never mention Todd Gurley "in the race" again, we're good. No RB is competing with QB's for MVP in this league for the forseeable future, no matter how good he is.
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11-21-2018, 09:31 AM	#27
O.city In Search of a Life O.city's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2009	Chris Simms had a good segment about it on his podcast. He says the Chiefs offense is based more around Mahomes and Brees is a bit more cog in the machine.
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11-21-2018, 09:31 AM	#28
OKchiefs Black Bob's daddy OKchiefs's Avatar Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: under the sun	Brees will win, and that's okay. Mahomes'time will come. In 2 years Brees will be retired or a shell of his former self, whereas Mahomes should still have 15 more years of dominance. Saints fans are about to join Patriots, Chargers, and Steelers fans rooting for bottom feeder franchises.
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