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Deberg_1990 · 11-21-2017, 04:16 PM

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Yet, here we are looking at the same Kansas City Chiefs offense we've seen year after year.

The Chiefs have made three playoff appearances since Reid took over as head coach in 2013, losing once in the wild-card game (2013) and twice in the divisional round (2015, 2016). I'm a fan of Reid and quarterback Alex Smith, but with the way things are right now, they'll be sitting at home while Pittsburgh and New England duke it out on Championship Sunday.

I was Smith's teammate in San Francisco for one year (2010) and I got to know him well. When the weather starts playing a bigger factor in games late in the season, he's not a guy who can make tough throws in tough conditions. He's particular and wants the football a certain way. The colder the weather the firmer the ball and other conditions make the ball slippery. It's really hard to play in inclement weather as a quarterback, yet there are some guys -- like Brett Favre -- who could grab a ball out of a bucket of water or pile of mud and hurl it downfield. But everybody's not like that, including Smith. The conditions have to be right and the running game has to be there. As we've witnessed throughout his career, Smith isn't often going to transcend an offense and win a game on huge throws -- a frequent critique. He's just not that type of quarterback.

Early in the season, we saw Smith make those big plays and the Chiefs were rolling. We've seen downfield shots slowly digress as the season's gone on, a trend that goes back to at least the past two seasons. Since 2015, Smith has been far more effective throwing the ball down field (20-pus air yards) through the Chiefs' first eight games than he has in their final eight, completing more passes (42.1 percent vs. 36.7 percent) with a better TD-to-INT ratio (8:0 vs. 2:4) and a significantly higher passer rating (124.3 vs. 63.1).

Furthermore, since Smith's first year with the Chiefs in 2013, his passer rating on pass attempts of more than 20 yards has fallen off in the second half of the season.

September: 92.0
October: 111.1
November: 63.5
Dec.-Jan.: 68.8

The Chiefs' high-flying offense started to stall after the Steelers exposed a weakness in Week 6. Pittsburgh played more zone coverage and allowed them to throw the ball underneath by respecting the ability of Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce to make things happen downfield. In addition, the run game hasn't been as effective the last five games (the Chiefs are 1-4 in that stretch), averaging 81 rush yards per game. That's 70 yards per game fewer than Kansas City put up in its first five games (all wins). In my opinion, Smith needs the run game to improve or we'll likely see him continue to struggle throwing the ball downfield as this season progresses.

I know this sounds crazy, but there's a case for Patrick Mahomes, who played well in the preseason, to start in place of Smith as the playoffs near. The Chiefs gave up a third-rounder and next year's first to draft Mahomes, viewing him as their franchise quarterback of the future. He's a gunslinger who adds another dimension in the pass game when a) the weather worsens, and b) they're trying to go head to head with the AFC's best offenses.

It's definitely possible the Chiefs could find themselves in a Nathan Peterman situation, especially if they don't handle the timing of the switch well. We don't know. What I do know, though, is we can expect the same ending to the Chiefs' story if they don't change up their cast of characters.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...-limits-chiefs

rico · 11-25-2017, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

link?

Not sure where it was posted or by who or whatever, but I'm pretty sure there is a YouTube clip of Andy singing Coldplay' "Fix You" to Alex before he traded for him. It was really cute... both looking at each other with smiles and googly eyes...Andy staring at Alex like he was a cheeseburger. Alex staring at Andy like he was a checkdown. ❤️

It's too bad he couldn't fix him.

**RealSNR** · 11-25-2017, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

No it doesn't. Show the All 22 From His Good Games this season to be objective. He played like s**t. He keeps playing like that, bench him. I already said that but to do it now? That's stupid. He's a top NFL QB numbers wise for the season.

Should we bench Kareem Hunt too? Cause he is playing no better than Alex is right now.

If Kareem Hunt were the same age as Alex in RB years and put up the lackluster production that Alex did for as long as Alex has, and if we had a young dynamic rookie RB with off-the-charts potential sitting and waiting on the bench behind Hunt, then yes, absolutely.

Hammock Parties · 11-25-2017, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Show the All 22 From His Good Games this season to be objective.

Isn't that your job?

You preach about objectivity, yet all you do is slurp Smith's knob every chance you get.

Hypocrite.

So here's how it's going to go: the Chiefs are going to lose more games because of Cuck Smith, we'll keep shitting on him and pointing out the tragicomedy that is his 2017 season, and soon you'll both be gone.

Good riddance.

**RealSNR** · 11-25-2017, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Yep. As soon as Mahomes starts all the Chiefs WRs/TEs are going to magically turn into Pro Bowlers...

LOL!

Look I think Mahomes is going to the Chiefs to the next level but He is not going to magically make the Chiefs WRs something they are not.

Maybe not Pro Bowlers, but they're definitely going to be more productive players, dickweed.

Even you have to admit that.

It may also be accompanied by some bad mistakes on the part of Mahomes, but only a ****ing reerun would think that our WRs' and TEs' stats (and thus, Pro Bowl credibility) wouldn't go way the **** up.

**RealSNR** · 11-25-2017, 01:10 PM

I shouldn't bother. Pretty sure PA90minutesfromNYCguy has me on ignore for calling him out on his semi-fandom every time he dares to challenge mine just because I don't like Alex.

His "Spurs" fandom is about as strong as his "Chiefs" fandom if you take away Alex Smith.

**Tribal Warfare** · 11-25-2017, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

I shouldn't bother. Pretty sure PA90minutesfromNYCguy has me on ignore for calling him out on his semi-fandom every time he dares to challenge mine just because I don't like Alex.

His "Spurs" fandom is about as strong as his "Chiefs" fandom if you take away Alex Smith.

It's fun trolling the shit out these guys especially when they putting on the loyal Chiefs fan facade knowing they'll fade away in 2 years

Reerun_KC · 11-25-2017, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

No it doesn't. Show the All 22 From His Good Games this season to be objective. He played like s**t. He keeps playing like that, bench him. I already said that but to do it now? That's stupid. He's a top NFL QB numbers wise for the season.

Should we bench Kareem Hunt too? Cause he is playing no better than Alex is right now.

You realize alex makes more money than you right?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-25-2017, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

No it doesn't. Show the All 22 From His Good Games this season to be objective. He played like s**t. He keeps playing like that, bench him. I already said that but to do it now? That's stupid. He's a top NFL QB numbers wise for the season.

Should we bench Kareem Hunt too? Cause he is playing no better than Alex is right now.

**** his "good games", you idiotic, ****ing ****. NO ONE gives a **** about his "good games" when he plays like a pussy and disappears in the playoffs.
He's as inconsistent as any other shitty QB who has ever played this game, and you know it.
Stop fronting for the clown, you dipshit.

You must be an absolute loser in life. Your support of a loser tells me it is so.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 12-29-2017, 11:15 PM

Yo will somebody tweet at David Carr and give him the update on Smith's QB rating??
Thanks

This article was all click-bait and also trying to stir controversy in the Chiefs locker room. Sad attempt to help his brother.

bigjosh · 12-29-2017, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TigeRRUppeRRcut

Yo will somebody tweet at David Carr and give him the update on Smith's QB rating??
Thanks

This article was all click-bait and also trying to stir controversy in the Chiefs locker room. Sad attempt to help his brother.

it is still not incorrect.

bigjosh · 12-29-2017, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Carr

What I do know, though, is we can expect the same ending to the Chiefs' story if they don't change up their cast of characters.

The most important quote in the whole article.

Hammock Parties · 12-29-2017, 11:48 PM

15th rated QB in football over the last six weeks.

15th in TDs.

Carr was right.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-30-2017, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

15th rated QB in football over the last six weeks.

15th in TDs.

Carr was right.

Right in the middle, you say?

Shocking.

kcpasco · 12-30-2017, 12:16 AM

Raiders might be better off without Carr and that bloated contract.

100 million+ to fumble the season through the back of the end zone.

Sassy Squatch · 12-30-2017, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco

Raiders might be better off without Carr and that bloated contract.

100 million+ to fumble the season through the back of the end zone.

Mack extension is looming as well.

11-21-2017, 04:16 PM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Deberg_1990's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx.	David Carr " Chiefs have higher upside with Mahomes" The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Yet, here we are looking at the same Kansas City Chiefs offense we've seen year after year. The Chiefs have made three playoff appearances since Reid took over as head coach in 2013, losing once in the wild-card game (2013) and twice in the divisional round (2015, 2016). I'm a fan of Reid and quarterback Alex Smith, but with the way things are right now, they'll be sitting at home while Pittsburgh and New England duke it out on Championship Sunday. I was Smith's teammate in San Francisco for one year (2010) and I got to know him well. When the weather starts playing a bigger factor in games late in the season, he's not a guy who can make tough throws in tough conditions. He's particular and wants the football a certain way. The colder the weather the firmer the ball and other conditions make the ball slippery. It's really hard to play in inclement weather as a quarterback, yet there are some guys -- like Brett Favre -- who could grab a ball out of a bucket of water or pile of mud and hurl it downfield. But everybody's not like that, including Smith. The conditions have to be right and the running game has to be there. As we've witnessed throughout his career, Smith isn't often going to transcend an offense and win a game on huge throws -- a frequent critique. He's just not that type of quarterback. Early in the season, we saw Smith make those big plays and the Chiefs were rolling. We've seen downfield shots slowly digress as the season's gone on, a trend that goes back to at least the past two seasons. Since 2015, Smith has been far more effective throwing the ball down field (20-pus air yards) through the Chiefs' first eight games than he has in their final eight, completing more passes (42.1 percent vs. 36.7 percent) with a better TD-to-INT ratio (8:0 vs. 2:4) and a significantly higher passer rating (124.3 vs. 63.1). Furthermore, since Smith's first year with the Chiefs in 2013, his passer rating on pass attempts of more than 20 yards has fallen off in the second half of the season. September: 92.0 October: 111.1 November: 63.5 Dec.-Jan.: 68.8 The Chiefs' high-flying offense started to stall after the Steelers exposed a weakness in Week 6. Pittsburgh played more zone coverage and allowed them to throw the ball underneath by respecting the ability of Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce to make things happen downfield. In addition, the run game hasn't been as effective the last five games (the Chiefs are 1-4 in that stretch), averaging 81 rush yards per game. That's 70 yards per game fewer than Kansas City put up in its first five games (all wins). In my opinion, Smith needs the run game to improve or we'll likely see him continue to struggle throwing the ball downfield as this season progresses. I know this sounds crazy, but there's a case for Patrick Mahomes, who played well in the preseason, to start in place of Smith as the playoffs near. The Chiefs gave up a third-rounder and next year's first to draft Mahomes, viewing him as their franchise quarterback of the future. He's a gunslinger who adds another dimension in the pass game when a) the weather worsens, and b) they're trying to go head to head with the AFC's best offenses. It's definitely possible the Chiefs could find themselves in a Nathan Peterman situation, especially if they don't handle the timing of the switch well. We don't know. What I do know, though, is we can expect the same ending to the Chiefs' story if they don't change up their cast of characters. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...-limits-chiefs
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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! RealSNR's Avatar Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR	I shouldn't bother. Pretty sure PA90minutesfromNYCguy has me on ignore for calling him out on his semi-fandom every time he dares to challenge mine just because I don't like Alex. His "Spurs" fandom is about as strong as his "Chiefs" fandom if you take away Alex Smith.
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TigeRRUppeRRcut Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: 19th Hole	Yo will somebody tweet at David Carr and give him the update on Smith's QB rating?? Thanks This article was all click-bait and also trying to stir controversy in the Chiefs locker room. Sad attempt to help his brother.
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Hammock Parties's Avatar Join Date: Nov 2002	15th rated QB in football over the last six weeks. 15th in TDs. Carr was right.
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12-30-2017, 12:16 AM	#314
kcpasco MVP Join Date: Sep 2007	Raiders might be better off without Carr and that bloated contract. 100 million+ to fumble the season through the back of the end zone.
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