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Old 11-21-2018, 09:09 PM   #2
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Sure. But you've got a guy who makes NFL defensive backs look like it's Reggie Bush's high-school highlight reel. If that elite speed even is knocked down a few %, it diminishes his extreme weapon status.
If his speed is bumped a little he'll what?

Still be faster than Steve Smith was?

Unless the surgery is botched or his rehabs poorly, he'd come back fine from an ACL.

The achilles, on the other hand... well, at least it's not the career ender it used to be.
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Old 11-21-2018, 09:13 PM   #3
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If his speed is bumped a little he'll what?

Still be faster than Steve Smith was?

Unless the surgery is botched or his rehabs poorly, he'd come back fine from an ACL.

The achilles, on the other hand... well, at least it's not the career ender it used to be.
Right now he's the only player in the NFL who you can think DBs have an angle - and then he just blows right by them. That is mega-elite speed.

If an injury changes him from that to say the 10th fastest player in the NFL - how much does that diminish his value? I don't know. But to me it feels like a lot.

Houston is still very good, complete player. But w/o a burst like he used to have, he's not really dominating any more.

Just speculating so you can chill out on attacking my takes.
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Old 11-21-2018, 09:11 PM   #4
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Sure. But you've got a guy who makes NFL defensive backs look like it's Reggie Bush's high-school highlight reel. If that elite speed even is knocked down a few %, it diminishes his extreme weapon status.
His super speed is what he's most elite at but it's far from the only thing that makes his elite.
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His super speed is what he's most elite at but it's far from the only thing that makes his elite.
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Right.

The guy does more than just run go routes every time.
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Right.

The guy does more than just run go routes every time.
Yeah agreed - he's great. He's one of the fastest players obviously. But he's also one of the quickest - which doesn't always go together. And he catches damn near everything - which I think is coachable to a degree - but also some players just have it and some don't.

And on top of that he's really worked on his moves breaking out of presses and his route running - to a point that as I said I think he's literally the most valuable non-QB in the league.

If you take away the mega-elite speed - he'll still be a very good player. But maybe he isn't the most valuable non-QB anymore.

Anyway - my whole point was just that these are the kinds of questions that go into a player accepting an extension vs. waiting it out 2 more years to the end of their contract and a possible franchise tag. If I get injured, will I be the same player? Should I just take the very large payday now? This is where the team has some pricing leverage/discount potential if they're offering an extension.
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Yeah agreed - he's great. He's one of the fastest players obviously. But he's also one of the quickest - which doesn't always go together. And he catches damn near everything - which I think is coachable to a degree - but also some players just have it and some don't.

And on top of that he's really worked on his moves breaking out of presses and his route running - to a point that as I said I think he's literally the most valuable non-QB in the league.

If you take away the mega-elite speed - he'll still be a very good player. But maybe he isn't the most valuable non-QB anymore.

Anyway - my whole point was just that these are the kinds of questions that go into a player accepting an extension vs. waiting it out 2 more years to the end of their contract and a possible franchise tag. If I get injured, will I be the same player? Should I just take the very large payday now? This is where the team has some pricing leverage/discount potential if they're offering an extension.
If I'm the GM I'm extending Hill.

Aside from Mahomes he's the only player I view as indispensable and it's entirely BECAUSE KC has Mahomes that he is.

Having him and Mahomes matched together for a decade will keep this offense in the top 10 until I'm in my late 40's.
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Old 11-21-2018, 10:17 PM   #8
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If I'm the GM I'm extending Hill.

Aside from Mahomes he's the only player I view as indispensable and it's entirely BECAUSE KC has Mahomes that he is.

Having him and Mahomes matched together for a decade will keep this offense in the top 10 until I'm in my late 40's.
Agreed. Pay him the moon after this season. We don't want him to come even close to free agency. I hope drew rosenhaus won't be a tool about it.
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