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Old 08-29-2019, 02:09 PM   #2
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Yeah.

He's not as bad as you're saying he is. He isn't the guy he was as a rookie when it looked like he was going to be a genuine stud and perennial Pro Bowler.

But he's a solid player. 3 picks last season, 120 plus tackles. He's played all over the place (I think he played weakside last year; has played middle in the past).

His versatility alone could be a significant asset at at 29 he's nearing the end but he hasn't hit it yet. He has another solid season in him, IMO.
Is he an upgrade over anything we would potentially put out there though at this point?

I'd rather see Lee get those snaps.
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Old 08-29-2019, 02:01 PM   #3
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He's 29, in reality if you can get him cheap that is the type of signing the Chiefs should be on, maybe a 1 year prove it type deal with some good coaching and you get a guy who plays good on a winner?
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Old 08-29-2019, 02:04 PM   #4
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He's 29, in reality if you can get him cheap that is the type of signing the Chiefs should be on, maybe a 1 year prove it type deal with some good coaching and you get a guy who plays good on a winner?
What makes you think he plays good on a winning team?
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Old 08-29-2019, 02:12 PM   #5
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What makes you think he plays good on a winning team?
Have you seen how bad we are at LB? He'd be a solid upgrade.
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Old 08-29-2019, 02:22 PM   #6
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Have you seen how bad we are at LB? He'd be a solid upgrade.
Wilson
Hitchens
Lee

Neimann
Ragland


We could use one more and Kiko is a guy that’s always around the ball.

I’d take him for cheap over DOD.
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Old 08-29-2019, 02:34 PM   #7
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Wilson
Hitchens
Lee

Neimann
Ragland


We could use one more and Kiko is a guy that’s always around the ball.

I’d take him for cheap over DOD.
He'd be no worse than 4th in line for snaps on my board.

Though I will concede that it's hard to convince myself to put him in the top 3rd given how impressed I've been by Wilson and how game Lee has looked so far. Lee's willingness in the run has been a revelation and it could be huge.

But Wilson's never been a starter, Lee's track record is spotty at best and Hitchens has come into the season in a key role 1 time in his career and spit the bit pretty hard.

It's just awfully ballsy to say "hey man, we have Hitchens, Lee and Wilson as our starters - what do we need a guy who's popped off 110+ tackles/season like clockwork and shown good coverage chops for?"

That's a fair amount of hubris for a team who's linebackers are short on known quantities, and that's if you're putting it diplomatically. They might just suck.
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He's 29, in reality if you can get him cheap that is the type of signing the Chiefs should be on, maybe a 1 year prove it type deal with some good coaching and you get a guy who plays good on a winner?
Sound thinking that often pans out
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Apparently Tunsil is in the Clowney trade.......that's why the revolt talk is happening.
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Apparently Tunsil is in the Clowney trade.......that's why the revolt talk is happening.
Well dukes.

That would be a damn nice swap for Houston and I'm not real excited about them getting better.

I don't think they get the better pure player in that swap, but they get a cheap, young OT for a team that BADLY needs an OT at any price. It's just a really good 'needs' deal for them.
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Well dukes.

That would be a damn nice swap for Houston and I'm not real excited about them getting better.

I don't think they get the better pure player in that swap, but they get a cheap, young OT for a team that BADLY needs an OT at any price. It's just a really good 'needs' deal for them.
I mean, no way the Dolphins do that straight across, right?

Player wise, sure it makes sense I suppose, but from a financial and planning standpoint, why?

Theoretically if you're the Dolphins, you could have both for just money.
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Old 08-29-2019, 03:03 PM   #12
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I mean, no way the Dolphins do that straight across, right?

Player wise, sure it makes sense I suppose, but from a financial and planning standpoint, why?

Theoretically if you're the Dolphins, you could have both for just money.
The Dolphins are kinda dumb.

But you really wouldn't think so. Especially when they need...everything. I mean if the Texans are open for business here, get Coutee and Scharping back. I mean surely Scharping has to be part of it, right? They can't move Tunsil - who will protect next years new QB - and not get at the very least a high ceiling young player back with him.

It isn't as though they're dealing from weakness here - they don't HAVE to make this move. But if you can get Clowney (present value of roughly a 2nd) Coutee (probably a 3rd) Scharping (3rd) and maybe Omenihu (5th) then you're in the ballpark for an ascending LT. And even that's maybe a bit on the light side.

Butif you're the Texans you still do it. Scharping isn't necessary if you have Tunsil and Coutee is your 3rd WR. Clowney doesn't want to play for you and Omenihu is a guy who maybe develops into Okafor in 2 years. If that's what you give up to get a young LT - pft, DONE.

I would think the Dolphins could do even better than that.
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The Dolphins are kinda dumb.

But you really wouldn't think so. Especially when they need...everything. I mean if the Texans are open for business here, get Coutee and Scharping back. I mean surely Scharping has to be part of it, right? They can't move Tunsil - who will protect next years new QB - and not get at the very least a high ceiling young player back with him.

It isn't as though they're dealing from weakness here - they don't HAVE to make this move. But if you can get Clowney (present value of roughly a 2nd) Coutee (probably a 3rd) Scharping (3rd) and maybe Omenihu (5th) then you're in the ballpark for an ascending LT. And even that's maybe a bit on the light side.

Butif you're the Texans you still do it. Scharping isn't necessary if you have Tunsil and Coutee is your 3rd WR. Clowney doesn't want to play for you and Omenihu is a guy who maybe develops into Okafor in 2 years. If that's what you give up to get a young LT - pft, DONE.

I would think the Dolphins could do even better than that.
The Texans make the deal every day and twice on sunday. Easiest deal they could make.

Tunsil is a potential all pro LT who is already developed and ready to go, you just have to pay him and plug him on the left side. ****, that's a great deal for the Texans. I really hope they phins aren't that dumb.

There's a scenario where the Dolphins make that trade and end up with neither player in a year. It's just dumb.
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I don't think Clowney wants to go to Miami anyway so he may nix that.

Seattle just makes a lot of sense for him in what they ask their DE's to do.
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