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FloridaMan88 · 02-02-2009, 09:59 AM

As if they hadn't started already...

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...&position=also

Matt Cassel draws interest

TAMPA - They might not have been one of the two Super Bowl participants last night, but the Patriots [team stats] still generated a lot of talk on Radio Row during the week.

With Matt Cassel making the rounds, there was plenty of speculation on how much interest he would draw should the Pats apply the franchise tag and then trade him.

The pundits’ top pick to land Cassel in that scenario is Kansas City. Obviously, the Scott Pioli factor weighs heavily in that choice, with the Pats former vice president of player personnel now calling the shots for the Chiefs.

“I’d really look at Pioli down there in Kansas City. Why wouldn’t he want him?” Sirius NFL radio analyst Jim Miller said. “He knows what the kid is capable of doing. So I think he’d be on their radar.”

Miller, like most analysts, doesn’t see the crop of quarterbacks in this year’s NFL Draft as particularly appealing. That boosts the draw for Cassel, especially if Pioli decides he’s not satisfied with the collection of QBs he inherited after taking over the job.

“I don’t think this is a strong quarterback draft. Everybody is saying Matthew Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of USC are going to go in the Top 10. I don’t believe that,” Miller said. “I don’t think those guys are ready. And I don’t think you’ll see the type of success guys like Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco had. They just haven’t played enough. So I can’t see teams wanting them.

“But if Kansas (City) were to make that deal, that’s their Matt Ryan. That’s their Joe Flacco. Unlike a Sanchez, for instance, they know he’s playing at a starter’s level. So to them, I think it’d be worth it to do. They’d get their starting quarterback, they know what he’s capable of doing, and they’ve seen him win games at the NFL level.”

Other experts, meanwhile, aren’t sure Pioli would want to deal with his former boss right out of the gate.

Some other teams figuring to make a pitch for Cassel include the New York Jets, Detroit, Minnesota, San Francisco, Carolina, Tampa Bay and Chicago.

As for what Cassel would land in a trade, there were differing opinions. Miller, for one, thought he would cost a second-round draft choice.

The decision to trade or keep Cassel will ultimately depend on Tom Brady [stats]’s health. While reports have him on target to play in the season opener, he still has a few hurdles to clear before that point following reconstructive surgery on his left knee and a subsequent staph infection.

“I think a lot is going to depend on where Kevin O’Connell is in his development. If they feel they can move Matt to benefit their team, they’ll do it,” said Miller, a one-time Pats backup quarterback. “It’s rolling the dice on Tom and whether he’s healthy, and two, can they do it with Kevin O’Connell? The question they have to ask is if O’Connell is as capable of what they have in Matt Cassel?”

**Rausch** · 02-02-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

And I wish I had enough time to list out all the first round QB draft pick bursts. Nobody knows for sure if Stafford or Sanchez will succeed, but what they do know is Matt Cassel was for the most part a successful starting QB for one year.

One year.

That's not a lock vs. risk argument to me...

eazyb81 · 02-02-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell have alot of talent. You cannot predict with a amazing degree of certainty how Stafford and Sanchez will perform in the league. IMO, I think Stafford and Sanchez will both be better QB's than Cassel...but I wouldn't be surprised to see either one of them fall flat on their face either.

Yeah, and Derek Anderson had one good year too.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see either bust too, but that's not the point.

My point is that it is ridiculous to view Cassel as some sort of great QB due to one season of production after being virtually anonymous for so many years, and that's what Brandt seemed to imply with his quote.

lazepoo · 02-02-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

More proven? Because he started for arguably the best team in the NFL......and threw 20 TDs? Because before the NFL....he hadn't started a game since High School?

Look, I want us to draft a quarterback as much as anyone on this board (hoping for a dirty sanchez, but stafford looks good as well) but to say that a full year of experience in arguably the toughest division in the NFL means nothing is just as myopic as the arguments I keep seeing on here against drafting a rookie qb. The fact of the matter is that Cassel succeeded against NFL teams and improved as the season progressed. JFC. With the way the two sides are entrenched on this debate, you'd think it was Go-Bots vs. Voltron or something.

I wouldn't be surprised to see us draft a QB as well as hire one in FA to compete for the starting spot. I will, however, rest easier knowing that the cupboard won't be bare at the position like it was in the past (read -King Carl years) regardless of which route we take. You can't win without a decent QB in the NFL, and our record last year proved that our roster needed a serious upgrade at the position.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-02-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRon

I've heard a few guys say that on Sirius, that none of these QBs are worth a top 10 pick, even Gil Brandt the other day as well as Pat Kirwan. Kirwan even followed that up with, "in fact, if you're looking for a QB, Matt Cassel sure does look good when you're staring at this draft class"...

Yup. And Kirwan and Brandt are two of the best draft gurus in the business.

But you'll never convince those set in their ways that the absolutely, positively, 100% sure path to success is to take a QB in the top 5, even if he doesn't earn a top 5 rating.

Sam Hall · 02-02-2009, 07:44 PM

This is nothing more than an obvious rumor that has no legs. It's like all the rumors about Dayton Moore making deals with the Braves.

milkman · 02-02-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yup. And Kirwan and Brandt are two of the best draft gurus in the business.

But you'll never convince those set in their ways that the absolutely, positively, 100% sure path to success is to take a QB in the top 5, even if he doesn't earn a top 5 rating.

I just think it is great how you keep putting words into people's mouths.

**DaKCMan AP** · 02-02-2009, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yup. And Kirwan and Brandt are two of the best draft gurus in the business.

But you'll never convince those set in their ways that the absolutely, positively, 100% sure path to success is to take a QB in the top 5, even if he doesn't earn a top 5 rating.

Are you talking about the Pat Kirwan who had Brian Brohm and Chad Henne ranked ahead of Joe Flacco?

splatbass · 02-02-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

That's all that matters. I don't want a guy who can be a NFL starter, I want a franchise QB.

We all want that, but I don't think there is one available this year.

Marcellus · 02-02-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

We all want that, but I don't think there is one available this year.

Bingo.

splatbass · 02-02-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Good thing you weren't our GM in the 60's. I guess Len Dawson was a "castoff".

Bret Favre was a castoff too. I guess the Packers are sorry they signed him...

splatbass · 02-02-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Do you not realize the difference in likelihood between finding a Kurt Warner and drafting a Peyton Manning or Ben Roethlisberger?

There is no Peyton Manning in this years draft, and probably not a Ben Roethlisberger either. If there was a Peyton Manning I would be all for using our #3 for him.

DJ's left nut · 02-02-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

I think he's a bit better than Schaub, but Schaub's main problem is that he's made of glass, not that he sucks.

Holy crap, really?

Cassel is an extremely mediocre QB with fantastic weapons. His arm is average at best and he's incredibly inaccurate. Even more disconcerting is that his mechanics aren't that bad, so I'm not even sure he could be coached up much more.

Schaub is an elite passer. He's accurate, he has a plus arm, he throws a great ball on both long and intermediate routes. As far as a pure thrower goes, he's easily in the top 10 in the league, I'd listen to arguments that he's close to the top 5. Yes, he's a statue and he's immobile, but he's a great pure passer.

Cassel isn't anywhere near him, IMO.

Mecca · 02-02-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Bret Favre was a castoff too. I guess the Packers are sorry they signed him...

They traded their 1st round pick for him pal that's not "finding" him...

And I loved Roethlisberger out of college and I'll tell you what...I think these 2 guys are as good a prospects as Eli Manning, Rivers and Roethlisberger were...These guys would be well regarded any year, we really need to stop using that argument it was used last year too because people didn't want a QB.

There is nothing to not like about Mark Sanchez.

Marcellus · 02-02-2009, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by splatbass

There is no Peyton Manning in this years draft, and probably not a Ben Roethlisberger either. If there was a Peyton Manning I would be all for using our #3 for him.

Bingo x2.

I will be so glad when the draft passes and this debate is over.Well at least for the most part.

DJ's left nut · 02-02-2009, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

There is nothing to not like about Mark Sanchez.

NFL player personnel men throughout the league disagree vehemently with this.

But if Mecca says so...

02-02-2009, 09:59 AM
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses FloridaMan88's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL	And so the "Matt Cassel to KC" Rumors Begin... As if they hadn't started already... http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...&position=also Matt Cassel draws interest TAMPA - They might not have been one of the two Super Bowl participants last night, but the Patriots [team stats] still generated a lot of talk on Radio Row during the week. With Matt Cassel making the rounds, there was plenty of speculation on how much interest he would draw should the Pats apply the franchise tag and then trade him. The pundits’ top pick to land Cassel in that scenario is Kansas City. Obviously, the Scott Pioli factor weighs heavily in that choice, with the Pats former vice president of player personnel now calling the shots for the Chiefs. “I’d really look at Pioli down there in Kansas City. Why wouldn’t he want him?” Sirius NFL radio analyst Jim Miller said. “He knows what the kid is capable of doing. So I think he’d be on their radar.” Miller, like most analysts, doesn’t see the crop of quarterbacks in this year’s NFL Draft as particularly appealing. That boosts the draw for Cassel, especially if Pioli decides he’s not satisfied with the collection of QBs he inherited after taking over the job. “I don’t think this is a strong quarterback draft. Everybody is saying Matthew Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of USC are going to go in the Top 10. I don’t believe that,” Miller said. “I don’t think those guys are ready. And I don’t think you’ll see the type of success guys like Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco had. They just haven’t played enough. So I can’t see teams wanting them. “But if Kansas (City) were to make that deal, that’s their Matt Ryan. That’s their Joe Flacco. Unlike a Sanchez, for instance, they know he’s playing at a starter’s level. So to them, I think it’d be worth it to do. They’d get their starting quarterback, they know what he’s capable of doing, and they’ve seen him win games at the NFL level.” Other experts, meanwhile, aren’t sure Pioli would want to deal with his former boss right out of the gate. Some other teams figuring to make a pitch for Cassel include the New York Jets, Detroit, Minnesota, San Francisco, Carolina, Tampa Bay and Chicago. As for what Cassel would land in a trade, there were differing opinions. Miller, for one, thought he would cost a second-round draft choice. The decision to trade or keep Cassel will ultimately depend on Tom Brady [stats]’s health. While reports have him on target to play in the season opener, he still has a few hurdles to clear before that point following reconstructive surgery on his left knee and a subsequent staph infection. “I think a lot is going to depend on where Kevin O’Connell is in his development. If they feel they can move Matt to benefit their team, they’ll do it,” said Miller, a one-time Pats backup quarterback. “It’s rolling the dice on Tom and whether he’s healthy, and two, can they do it with Kevin O’Connell? The question they have to ask is if O’Connell is as capable of what they have in Matt Cassel?”
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