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Old 01-23-2019, 02:38 PM   #2
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Hiring a young guy and say he turns this crap D around. He will get a HC job in 2 years.
Oh no. Better hire a guy like Ryan or Spagnuolo instead. They're never going to hire them away. Yay.
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Old 01-23-2019, 02:40 PM   #3
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Hiring a young guy and say he turns this crap D around. He will get a HC job in 2 years.
Or you can just hire Bob Sutton and see him never do well enough to be considered for a gig.

Shit, Vic Fangio just got a job and he's ancient. When it comes to DCs, teams are less inclined to consider them for coaching gigs and when they do they don't seem to mind if they're older. If someone snipes our DC, it will be because we at least went to the Super Bowl and did so with a hell of a defense as part of the package.

And frankly, if that happens with Spagnuolo, there's absolutely no reason to believe that some team won't view him in the same light they saw Mike Zimmer or Vic Fangio and hire him as a coach anyway.

If "oh no, he might do well and we'd lose him" is the reason you don't want to hire someone one...maybe find a better reason.
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Old 01-23-2019, 02:43 PM   #4
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Or you can just hire Bob Sutton and see him never do well enough to be considered for a gig.

Shit, Vic Fangio just got a job and he's ancient. When it comes to DCs, teams are less inclined to consider them for coaching gigs and when they do they don't seem to mind if they're older. If someone snipes our DC, it will be because we at least went to the Super Bowl and did so with a hell of a defense as part of the package.

And frankly, if that happens with Spagnuolo, there's absolutely no reason to believe that some team won't view him in the same light they saw Mike Zimmer or Vic Fangio and hire him as a coach anyway.

If "oh no, he might do well and we'd lose him" is the reason you don't want to hire someone one...maybe find a better reason.

Not that it would be a reason to hire Spags but I doubt he will ever get a chance to be a hc again. Usually if you suck twice at being hc that is it.
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Old 01-23-2019, 02:46 PM   #5
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Not that it would be a reason to hire Spags but I doubt he will ever get a chance to be a hc again. Usually if you suck twice at being hc that is it.
But I've been assured that neither of those times should be held against him because the Rams were in chaos and Bountygate voids all piss-poor returns.

Near as I can tell, none of his failings over the last decade are actually his fault. So surely the league will see things the same way.
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Old 01-23-2019, 02:51 PM   #6
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But I've been assured that neither of those times should be held against him because the Rams were in chaos and Bountygate voids all piss-poor returns.

Near as I can tell, none of his failings over the last decade are actually his fault. So surely the league will see things the same way.

you got me there
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Old 01-23-2019, 02:41 PM   #7
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Hiring a young guy and say he turns this crap D around. He will get a HC job in 2 years.
Exactly right! You want to hire young HC talent that has the ability to be a HC someday.

This is how you win Playoff Games and Super Bowls...

Not rehashing NFL trash because you know Chief fan and all...
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Exactly right! You want to hire young HC talent that has the ability to be a HC someday.

This is how you win Playoff Games and Super Bowls...

Not rehashing NFL trash because you know Chief fan and all...
Yeah. But then he'd leave after we finally get to the Super Bowl and clearly that would just be awful.
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Old 01-23-2019, 02:45 PM   #9
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Yeah. But then he'd leave after we finally get to the Super Bowl and clearly that would just be awful.
6 inches from going to the Super Bowl with Sutton. Andy isn’t gonna hire a young person to run his D. Andy wants no part of that side of ball that’s his MO. Look I would love someone young and up and coming just not gonna happen with a Andy Reid coach team.
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Yeah. But then he'd leave after we finally get to the Super Bowl and clearly that would just be awful.
Just horrible I tell you... He might mess up someones jersey sales or parking lot bbq....
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Hiring a young guy and say he turns this crap D around. He will get a HC job in 2 years.
Andy has used that strategy with great success on offense, hiring up and coming/innovative guys to be his OC/QB Coach.

Not sure why he has to go the total opposite direction on defense and hire a dinosaur.
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Andy has used that strategy with great success on offense, hiring up and coming/innovative guys to be his OC/QB Coach.

Not sure why he has to go the total opposite direction on defense and hire a dinosaur.
Thats because Andy is a offensive genius and can bring the offensive guys along.

No one on D to do that.
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Andy has used that strategy with great success on offense, hiring up and coming/innovative guys to be his OC/QB Coach.

Not sure why he has to go the total opposite direction on defense and hire a dinosaur.
Because Andy can control the offensive guys and help them out. He can't do that on defense because he doesn't know the defense. His best seasons were when he had Jim Johnson and Johnson ran the defense.
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Because Andy can control the offensive guys and help them out. He can't do that on defense because he doesn't know the defense. His best seasons were when he had Jim Johnson and Johnson ran the defense.
Andy needs to get past the idea that he can only trust DC's with significant previous experience to serve in the "HC of the defense" role.

Bob Sutton had 40 years of experience when the Chiefs hired him and how did that work out.

Also if you bring in an up and coming guy to be DC and he leaves to become a HC in two years, you trust that he will build a quality defensive coaching staff (assuming Andy allows the new DC to have input on building his own defensive coaching staff), so that there are candidates to promote from within.
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Andy needs to get past the idea that he can only trust DC's with significant previous experience to serve in the "HC of the defense" role.

Bob Sutton had 40 years of experience when the Chiefs hired him and how did that work out.

Also if you bring in an up and coming guy to be DC and he leaves to become a HC in two years, you trust that he will build a quality defensive coaching staff (assuming Andy allows the new DC to have input on building his own defensive coaching staff), so that there are candidates to promote from within.
From your lips to Andy's ears, man.
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