***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by IUsedToBeATightEnd

Its not fearmongering. Its facts. Adopting simple prevention measures it can be contained without panic. However, panic will come if things get out of hand.
Posting fake news is no rational way to face the situation IMHO.

What exactly are you proposing?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Rausch

If you're a smoker over 70 you might get to take the rest off...

I'm 39 and I don't smoke..my immune system also kicks ass I've had the flu once in like 10 years so I'm not worried about that part.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

If you are under 60 you're gonna be fine, even if you get it.

Shut the **** up.

So it's only fatal if you're asian and in your 20's?...

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Rausch

So three times as many people have died from this than recovered?

No, the recovery rate is extremely high.

For instance, in China, there are 80,000 cases, with 60,000 recovered, 3,000 deaths and 17,500 active cases.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Rausch

So three times as many people have died from this than recovered?

This is the most trustworthy data out there. They dont post BS. They are just medical professionals trying to track this for other medical professionals because especially in our case, our governments are lying to us.


I'd say that the delay is reporting "recovered" is it takes 7-10 days to run its course.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Rausch

So it's only fatal if you're asian and in your 20's?...

read the post a little slower maybe

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

No, the recovery rate is extremely high.

For instance, in China, there are 80,000 cases, with 60,000 recovered, 3,000 deaths and 17,500 active cases.

It seems like those that do die get hit hard and quick. A doctor at one of the old folks homes said the gal went from no symptoms to dead in 6 hours...

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

No, the recovery rate is extremely high.

For instance, in China, there are 80,000 cases, with 60,000 recovered, 3,000 deaths and 17,500 active cases.

Have you read about the measures China took?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

This is the most trustworthy data out there. They are just medical professionals trying to track this for other medical professionals because especially in our case, the government is lying to us.

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

This is the most trustworthy data out there. They are just medical professionals trying to track this for other medical professionals because especially in our case, the government is lying to us.

And that's the thing - this could be much worse or much "better" than we currently know. We don't have unlimited test kits or full knowledge of who was or wasn't exposed.

Are they still talking about using some of the AIDS drugs to fight this?

Would "prep" help people?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Rausch

It seems like those that do die get hit hard and quick. A doctor at one of the old folks homes said the gal went from no symptoms to dead in 6 hours...

Yeah old people die from lots of things.

It doesn't mean you need to rush out and stock up on toilet paper bottled water and ammo.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

If you are under 60 you're gonna be fine, even if you get it.

Shut the **** up.

The youngest victim was a 36-year-old male who was admitted to hospital on Jan. 9 suffering from fever and fatigue. He died Thursday.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-have-a-fever

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Yeah old people die from lots of things.

It doesn't mean you need to rush out and stock up on toilet paper bottled water and ammo.

I'm more worried about stupid people and panicking people than the virus...

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Rausch

And that's the thing - this could be much worse or much "better" than we currently know. We don't have unlimited test kits or full knowledge of who was or wasn't exposed.

Are they still talking about using some of the AIDS drugs to fight this?

Would "prep" help people?

They totally botched the test kits. They are at least 3 weeks behind in getting these test kits out to the public. That's a long ass time in a possible pandemic. We are basically flying blind on how far and wide this thing has spread until they get millions of test kits out to the public.

The government decided to build their own test kits instead of using the test kits that the rest of the world was using. They botched the test kits. There were problems with the test kits. Couldn't be trusted. Went back to the start. Decided to build their own again. This one works and they are promising millions of test kits by the weekend.

[Fish]

Man, what a waste...

Airlines Are Flying Empty Flights as Travel Demand Plummets Due to Coronavirus

Currently, thousands of planes are flying empty back and forth doing ghost flights during the coronavirus outbreak due to a bizarre and ridiculous rule that forces airlines to use at least 80% of their landing slots or risk losing them.

The “use it or lose it” rule goes like this: an airline must use at least 80% of their allocated slots or it may lose them to rival airlines.

While it makes for a competitive market during regular flights, the decreased demand caused by coronavirus concerns is taking its toll on the aviation industry. With an expectancy of losing $113 billion in revenue this year, airlines are going to extreme measures.

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