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Old 08-23-2019, 04:38 PM  
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Old 08-29-2019, 02:16 PM   #436
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Is it the same reason one of them gave him a guaranteed $16 million deal?

He left the Bills because he got hurt and they were transitioning defense so they didn't know what to do with him. He was also the only return when the Eagles traded LeSean McCoy, who was seen as a big time player when the trade went down.

The Philly experiment admittedly went poorly but lets also remember that he was a necessary cost of offloading that awful Byron Maxwell deal they gave out. The Dolphins took on about $16 million of Maxwell's deal (guaranteed salaries after his bonus, IIRC) and Alonso was the prize.

Neither time was he traded just to be unloaded. Once was because Buffalo wanted the RB they thought fit their system well and their new scheme may not match Alonso coming off his injury, the other time was because Philly needed to figure out how to get out from that Maxwell contract and he was the piece they had to surrender to do it.

He's been a good player on a bad team in Miami - that's hardly his fault.
I mean, i'm all about seeing what sticks, so if they cut him go for it.

But I just dunno.
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Old 08-29-2019, 02:19 PM   #437
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I mean, i'm all about seeing what sticks, so if they cut him go for it.

But I just dunno.
A starting caliber LB for peanuts on a team that lacks depth isn't a bad idea.
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Old 08-29-2019, 02:22 PM   #438
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Have you seen how bad we are at LB? He'd be a solid upgrade.
Wilson
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Lee

Neimann
Ragland


We could use one more and Kiko is a guy that’s always around the ball.

I’d take him for cheap over DOD.
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Old 08-29-2019, 02:33 PM   #439
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Apparently Tunsil is in the Clowney trade.......that's why the revolt talk is happening.
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Old 08-29-2019, 02:34 PM   #440
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Wilson
Hitchens
Lee

Neimann
Ragland


We could use one more and Kiko is a guy that’s always around the ball.

I’d take him for cheap over DOD.
He'd be no worse than 4th in line for snaps on my board.

Though I will concede that it's hard to convince myself to put him in the top 3rd given how impressed I've been by Wilson and how game Lee has looked so far. Lee's willingness in the run has been a revelation and it could be huge.

But Wilson's never been a starter, Lee's track record is spotty at best and Hitchens has come into the season in a key role 1 time in his career and spit the bit pretty hard.

It's just awfully ballsy to say "hey man, we have Hitchens, Lee and Wilson as our starters - what do we need a guy who's popped off 110+ tackles/season like clockwork and shown good coverage chops for?"

That's a fair amount of hubris for a team who's linebackers are short on known quantities, and that's if you're putting it diplomatically. They might just suck.
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Old 08-29-2019, 02:36 PM   #441
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Apparently Tunsil is in the Clowney trade.......that's why the revolt talk is happening.
Well dukes.

That would be a damn nice swap for Houston and I'm not real excited about them getting better.

I don't think they get the better pure player in that swap, but they get a cheap, young OT for a team that BADLY needs an OT at any price. It's just a really good 'needs' deal for them.
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Old 08-29-2019, 02:37 PM   #442
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Would definitely take Kiko.

Smart, fast, diagnoses quickly, good blitzer, good coverage, good striker, forces turnovers, AFC East experience/Patriots Intel.
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I wonder if Kiko Alonso has anything left...
Or Enrico Pallazo?
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Old 08-29-2019, 02:53 PM   #444
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He's 29, in reality if you can get him cheap that is the type of signing the Chiefs should be on, maybe a 1 year prove it type deal with some good coaching and you get a guy who plays good on a winner?
Sound thinking that often pans out
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Old 08-29-2019, 02:55 PM   #445
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That would be perfect if the sign Cassel and he plays against us at Arrowhead. Then he gets hurt and the crowd cheers- Again!

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Old 08-29-2019, 02:56 PM   #446
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If they don't want Fitzpatrick I'd be all over that.....


Perfect backup QB for Patrick.
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Old 08-29-2019, 02:57 PM   #447
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Well dukes.

That would be a damn nice swap for Houston and I'm not real excited about them getting better.

I don't think they get the better pure player in that swap, but they get a cheap, young OT for a team that BADLY needs an OT at any price. It's just a really good 'needs' deal for them.
I mean, no way the Dolphins do that straight across, right?

Player wise, sure it makes sense I suppose, but from a financial and planning standpoint, why?

Theoretically if you're the Dolphins, you could have both for just money.
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Perfect backup QB for Patrick.
He’s talking about Minkah Fitzpatrick.
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He'd be no worse than 4th in line for snaps on my board.

Though I will concede that it's hard to convince myself to put him in the top 3rd given how impressed I've been by Wilson and how game Lee has looked so far. Lee's willingness in the run has been a revelation and it could be huge.

But Wilson's never been a starter, Lee's track record is spotty at best and Hitchens has come into the season in a key role 1 time in his career and spit the bit pretty hard.

It's just awfully ballsy to say "hey man, we have Hitchens, Lee and Wilson as our starters - what do we need a guy who's popped off 110+ tackles/season like clockwork and shown good coverage chops for?"

That's a fair amount of hubris for a team who's linebackers are short on known quantities, and that's if you're putting it diplomatically. They might just suck.
Eh....**** probably.

Things probably or usually don't workout like you always want so some of these dudes won't work out. So with that in mind, you'd be hard pressed to find better depth than Kiko so if he's cut, go for it.

I just dunno that you'd get him to sign for a depth spot, but it'd be worth a shot.

I've actually been impressed with Wilson and Lee myself and....gulp....Ragland hasn't really looked out of place in that SLB spot as much as I thought. He was a pretty good blitzer at Bama so maybe use him in that spot moreso.

They don't really have a LB setup that by himself works ideally, but the mishmash of parts, collectively, you can see if they play it out right would work pretty nicely.
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I mean, no way the Dolphins do that straight across, right?

Player wise, sure it makes sense I suppose, but from a financial and planning standpoint, why?

Theoretically if you're the Dolphins, you could have both for just money.
The Dolphins are kinda dumb.

But you really wouldn't think so. Especially when they need...everything. I mean if the Texans are open for business here, get Coutee and Scharping back. I mean surely Scharping has to be part of it, right? They can't move Tunsil - who will protect next years new QB - and not get at the very least a high ceiling young player back with him.

It isn't as though they're dealing from weakness here - they don't HAVE to make this move. But if you can get Clowney (present value of roughly a 2nd) Coutee (probably a 3rd) Scharping (3rd) and maybe Omenihu (5th) then you're in the ballpark for an ascending LT. And even that's maybe a bit on the light side.

Butif you're the Texans you still do it. Scharping isn't necessary if you have Tunsil and Coutee is your 3rd WR. Clowney doesn't want to play for you and Omenihu is a guy who maybe develops into Okafor in 2 years. If that's what you give up to get a young LT - pft, DONE.

I would think the Dolphins could do even better than that.
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