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Alright, so: 1a. The reporting on the contract situation surrounding Mahomes has no bearing on the contract situation surrounding Chris Jones. 1b. You seem to be implying there was no reputable reporting surrounding the Mahomes contract situation? NFLN reported the negotiations would begin after the draft (they did). The KC Star reported the talks had begun in earnest in May (they had). There was plenty of reporting, though none of it to my knowledge hit the incredible contract extension on the head. But, so it goes with highly sensitive negotiations behind closed doors. 1c. You seem to be implying that because there was no reputable reporting on the Mahomes contract ahead of time (there was), that we can't take a lack of Jones contract reporting too seriously. But even the best reporting isn't ironclad; it's intended to be used as a signpost for news followers to use in their own educated guesses. 1d. You know all of this! You literally cited reporting in this very thread on Clowney's contract offers from teams to help you draw conclusions about Clowney's future. Which is what normal humans do. 2a. There has been reporting on Jones. NFLN has reported the Chiefs have talked to him about contracts. NFLN and other sources have repeatedly reported that he has received no contract offers from us at any time. Louis Reddick said a couple days back that they're talking to Jones now. There has been some reporting that Covid19 kept us from making any negotiations with him -- which is reporting I don't buy, by the way (just to show that I don't take reporting mindlessly at face value). 2b. How do you know "there's nothing to report"? You literally told me we have no idea what's going on. There could be tons to report. 2c. You're of course saying there's nothing to report because you believe the reporting that we've seen (that you're now saying doesn't exist?): talks have been minimal, no contracts (at the very least prior to Pat's deal) have been offered. Jones is demanding $20m+ and the Chiefs probably want to keep him but they're struggling to square that circle. 2d. If you're arguing there's been nothing to report on Jones anyway, then you're agreeing with the initial premise I started with (that you had disagreed with) that there had been inaction with the Chiefs and Jones. I think in your rush to keep hope alive and/or throw shade at me may have gotten your ideas all jumbled up, because these two sentences don't make a lot of logical sense, and they are factually incorrect. |
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07-08-2020, 01:16 PM | #3 | |
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First off, the Chiefs didn't reveal anything about Mahomes deal. Sure, there were people speculating that a deal would get done (Duh!) but there was no concrete evidence of anything until the deal was announced. Clowney has refused every offer to date, whether it's a $12 million dollar base salary from the Browns to the Seahawks offer of more than $17 million so there is very, very little chance that Clowney would sign with the Chiefs or any other team for $10 million, even if it's just for one season. It was reported in the past week that the Chiefs have had NO discussions with Jones or his agent. So anything that you put out there is pure speculation, with none of it based in reality. -------- https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-rumors-...022408397.html From June 8th: The three-time Pro Bowl selection has turned down multiple free-agent contract offers worth at least $15 million per year this season, Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio reported Monday. "My understanding is the Seahawks have been in the range of $15 million on a one-year deal for Jadeveon Clowney," Florio said on 106.7 The Fan's Chad Dukes vs. The World (h/t 247Sports.com). "The Seahawks have been led to believe that the Browns offered 18 (million), and he has yet to take that." |
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07-11-2020, 05:54 PM | #4 |
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You're a ****ing dipshit, Voyager. JFC. Just as I said earlier in this thread:
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2020/...-franchise-tag Appearing on the network's flagship “SportsCenter” telecast on Saturday, ESPN's Jeremy Fowler said that the Kansas City Chiefs are talking with their defensive tackle Chris Jones. “I’m told the Chiefs and Jones have begun talking,” said Fowler, “which is a big victory because it’s been quiet for months on that front; they’ve really had no communication. They’ve at least started negotiating. The Chiefs got the Patrick Mahomes deal done. They’d like to move on to Jones, who is considered a top-three defensive tackle, but that’s going to cost them well over $20 million. It’s just unclear how far they’re willing to go at this point, but they want to keep one of their best players.” |
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Am... I missing something here?
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Then you post reputable reporting that there's been relative inaction regarding Chris Jones for months leading up to the Mahomes deal, and say: I mean, what the hell. What am I missing. |
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07-07-2020, 01:01 PM | #6 |
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07-07-2020, 01:26 PM | #7 |
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I think we've been given enough time, and we can confidently say that the idiot tinfoil hatters who thought Veach was hired as a yes-man-only lackey GM to Andy Reid were entirely wrong.
I mean, why would the organization lie about something like that in the first place? What would they have been hiding? There are plenty of teams that have a powerful head coach with official assigned duties involving personnel in which they work alongside a GM. The Eagles straight up said, "Andy does this on the personnel side. Howie Roseman does the other stuff." These days it's not that way. Because Clark Hunt ****ing said so. It was that way with Dorsey, too. Reid had INPUT, but all well-run organizations give their head coaches input on personnel. That's what they said. In a press conference. And that's what they said when Veach was hired. And that's what Reid continues to say. Why does everything have to be a goddamn conspiracy theory with some of you morons? |
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He just wanted to get back to coaching but have his opinion valued by the GM. He obviously listens to input. He also has said Mahomes being on this team is because of Veach. Veach bugging him. Leaving tapes/film of Mahomes in his office, giving them to his wife to give to Andy etc. I think we got a helluva a player aquistion system in place. A potential GOAT QB. A Hall of Famer coach. It's a great time to be a Chiefs fan. |
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Though his tenure was imperfect, Dorsey didn’t deserve to be ousted — he was probably the best GM we’ve had before Veach came along. It was reasonable to see this as a power struggle with Reid. Fortunately, for whatever reasons the Chiefs dismissed Dorsey, they had an even better GM in the wings. What Veach has done the last two seasons has been truly extraordinary. |
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Veach has been amazing managing the cap. Dorsey was purely a scout...he just could not manage the cap competently. |
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I’d say Dorsey was the best GM we’ve had so far, other than Veach, who other than his disastrous 2018 offseason has asserted himself since as the GOAT. |
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