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**BigRedChief** · 01-02-2018, 05:51 PM

Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

Edit:
Matheny fired 07/14/2018

Opening Day Roster

Spoiler!

**BigRedChief** · 07-23-2018, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

Glad you jinxed it this time not me

I think he’s at 90 pitches. He’s not going to make it. But, no matter what, a very good start. Another talented pitcher that may some day be a regular starter in MLB.

Be nice if Mo could draft and develop position players like they do pitching.

Frazod · 07-23-2018, 07:08 PM

I assume he'll give a home run the second I turn the game on, so I won't.

bdj23 · 07-23-2018, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Frazod

I assume he'll give a home run the second I turn the game on, so I won't.

This.

Ive tuned in to see Wacha and Flaherty both blow a no-no the next inning they went back out.

**BigRedChief** · 07-23-2018, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Frazod

I assume he'll give a home run the second I turn the game on, so I won't.

He’s at 108 pitches with 2 out in the 7th but still has the no hitter intact. Only players can jinx. Not fans.

**BigRedChief** · 07-23-2018, 07:19 PM

They are going to pull him even if he has the no hitter intact. Bader getting ready to pinch hit for him. He leads off the inning. 116 pitches with 2 innings to go. It’s the right choice.

Frazod · 07-23-2018, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

He’s at 108 pitches with 2 out in the 7th but still has the no hitter intact. Only players can jinx. Not fans.

I've lost count of the number of times they've given up a run the instant I turned the TV on.

DJ's left nut · 07-23-2018, 07:22 PM

Kid doesn't have a putaway pitch and command that comes and goes. The zone was tightening as well.

There was a 0% chance that he completed that. Even if he managed to avoid giving up hits, it would've taken him 160 pitches to do it. He just could not finish off an AB. No wipeout offspeed pitch to get them to swing through with 2 strikes, not enough velocity to throw it past and not enough command to dot the black.

He just couldn't finish off ABs quickly enough to go 9.

Give him a pat on the back for an incredible effort and send up the pinch hitter. It was the right call.

**BigRedChief** · 07-23-2018, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Kid doesn't have a putaway pitch and command that comes and goes. The zone was tightening as well.

There was a 0% chance that he completed that. Even if he managed to avoid giving up hits, it would've taken him 160 pitches to do it. He just could not finish off an AB. No wipeout offspeed pitch to get them to swing through with 2 strikes, not enough velocity to throw it past and not enough command to dot the black.

He just couldn't finish off ABs quickly enough to go 9.

Give him a pat on the back for an incredible effort and send up the pinch hitter. It was the right call.

so your saying, setting aside this outing, he sucks?

Rams Fan · 07-23-2018, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

so your saying, setting aside this outing, he sucks?

Bud Smith can give you an answer.

**BigRedChief** · 07-23-2018, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Bud Smith can give you an answer.

am I supposed to know who Bud Smith is?

Rams Fan · 07-23-2018, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

am I supposed to know who Bud Smith is?

Yes.

Jewish Rabbi · 07-23-2018, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

so your saying, setting aside this outing, he sucks?

Pretty much. Despite what you want to believe, every pitcher in our system isn’t a future Cy Young winner.

DJ's left nut · 07-23-2018, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

so your saying, setting aside this outing, he sucks?

No, not at all. He's a throwback guy - a pitch mix pitcher who can throw a lot of shit at you to get outs.

But he scrapped the breakers in the 4th inning or so tonight. I'd guess Molina didnt like what he saw from them so they went almost exclusively fastball/changeup (really almost exclusively fastball fastball). That's the value a veteran like Yadi gives you.

It got him through 7 but it also meant he had no chance for 9. Ultimately I'd say his stuff is solid 5th starter type. Mike Leake-esque. That seems underwhelming but when Mike Leake costs $80 million, he can be damn valuable.

Jewish Rabbi · 07-23-2018, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

am I supposed to know who Bud Smith is?

**BigRedChief** · 07-23-2018, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

Pretty much. Despite what you want to believe, every pitcher in our system isn’t a future Cy Young winner.

come on man I only said that about Martinez, Reyes and Flaherty.

I don’t know a damn thing about him other than he took one off his head. Was in ICU for awhile.

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