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**BigRedChief** · 01-02-2018, 05:51 PM

Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

Edit:
Matheny fired 07/14/2018

Opening Day Roster

Spoiler!

Rams Fan · 07-22-2018, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Is Gyorko hurt or getting traded?

Has he played a game since the AS break?

He's sick.

jd1020 · 07-22-2018, 02:15 PM

Speaking of Gyorko.

jd1020 · 07-22-2018, 02:18 PM

You have to question Shildt's faith in your bullpen. Mikolas had 74 pitches and you pull him after 5 innings with 2 outs in the top of the 6th to pinch hit.

**BigRedChief** · 07-22-2018, 02:50 PM

I thought Munoz was dog shit defensively, worse than Jose Martinez at 1B?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-22-2018, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

You have to question Shildt's faith in your bullpen. Mikolas had 74 pitches and you pull him after 5 innings with 2 outs in the top of the 6th to pinch hit.

The leash was too short, but Matheny would constantly leave pitchers in to hit only to pull them after one batter.

kcpasco · 07-22-2018, 02:51 PM

Drop Ozuna in the lineup. Guy is a fraud. Gonna be tied with the Pirates after today. I like Freese better than 90 percent of these turds anyways.

bdj23 · 07-22-2018, 03:04 PM

Cecil is a worthless piece of shit

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-22-2018, 03:04 PM

Mozeliak needs to be shown the door as well. Fowler, Holland, Cecil, Ozuna. That's over $40 million tied up in four guys that are giving you a combined -1.1 WAR, not to mention the prospects that Ozuna cost. It's damn near impossible to be that inept.

jd1020 · 07-22-2018, 03:07 PM

Molina with the mercy shoe tie move to get the bullpen a few more pitches to get warm.

kcpasco · 07-22-2018, 03:10 PM

Can Waino play the outfield. He’s washed up as a pitcher but he could definitely hit better than Fowler.

jd1020 · 07-22-2018, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Mozeliak needs to be shown the door as well. Fowler, Holland, Cecil, Ozuna. That's over $40 million tied up in four guys that are giving you a combined -1.1 WAR, not to mention the prospects that Ozuna cost. It's damn near impossible to be that inept.

There's no reasonable excuse for the Cardinals not to be sellers other than "Cardinal's Way."

Chances are remote any player the Cardinals could trade for isn't good enough to catch up with the division. About to fall to 4th place in the division. And there's like 5 or 6 teams to leap frog to earn a WC spot.

**BigRedChief** · 07-22-2018, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Mozeliak needs to be shown the door as well. Fowler, Holland, Cecil, Ozuna. That's over $40 million tied up in four guys that are giving you a combined -1.1 WAR, not to mention the prospects that Ozuna cost. It's damn near impossible to be that inept.

Not a chance in hell that Dewitt gets rid of Mo too. Not going to happen.

I think the whole bullpen thing is partly if not mostly on Matheny. It was Matheny that burned out relievers arms, ruined careers. This was widely known in baseball. Any reliever they could get to come here, Mo had to overpay to make it happen. Relievers and their agents knew this was their last stop before their arm was ruined. this is their last contract ever. Mo had to to overpay and take gambles because of the managers incompetentance.

kcpasco · 07-22-2018, 03:17 PM

I blame Matheny for a lot. But bums like Cecil and Holland are on Mo.

**BigRedChief** · 07-22-2018, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco

I blame Matheny for a lot. But bums like Cecil and Holland are on Mo.

everything I’ve read and heard on podcasts says it was Matheny that insisted Holland be signed. He wanted a 9th inning closer.

When the deal was announced most people in baseball thought it was a helluva deal because it was a one year deal. Who thought Holland would be so horrible? I don’t remember any articles like that at the signing time.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-22-2018, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

There's no reasonable excuse for the Cardinals not to be sellers other than "Cardinal's Way."

Chances are remote any player the Cardinals could trade for isn't good enough to catch up with the division. About to fall to 4th place in the division. And there's like 5 or 6 teams to leap frog to earn a WC spot.

I don't think anyone here has argued too much for the Cardinals to be sellers. I despise losing to the Cubs, but it's probably in the best interest in the short and long-term of the club for them to bomb out hard and strip it down.

They need to trade Carpenter while he's white hot and burn the rest of it down.

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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! 'Hamas' Jenkins's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2006	Mozeliak needs to be shown the door as well. Fowler, Holland, Cecil, Ozuna. That's over $40 million tied up in four guys that are giving you a combined -1.1 WAR, not to mention the prospects that Ozuna cost. It's damn near impossible to be that inept.
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