Just figure out a way to get Tyler Biadasz.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Rankin just wasn't a dumpster fire like Wylie. I don't think that means we ought to be holding a starting spot for him.

We need the entire inside rebuild. LG-C-RG.

They're collectively awful. Our OT situation is decent.

I wouldn't throw away Rankin just yet though man. He's a 3rd round pick and was an all-SEC player as a senior. Not like he's complete garbage. He didn't work as a tackle in Houston, we made him a guard and he looked pretty solid. I'm not against bringing in competition but I don't think the Chiefs do what you're asking for unless a guy like Michigan's Ben Bredeson just falls in their laps in round 2.

I think it's reasonable KC brings in a center and I think it's high time LDT gets some serious competition.

Personally, I think taking interior o-lineman in round 1 is a fool's errand. I'm much more receptive to rounds 2 and 3.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I wouldn't throw away Rankin just yet though man. He's a 3rd round pick and was an all-SEC player as a senior. Not like he's complete garbage. He didn't work as a tackle in Houston, we made him a guard and he looked pretty solid. I'm not against bringing in competition but I don't think the Chiefs do what you're asking for unless a guy like Michigan's Ben Bredeson just falls in their laps in round 2.

I think it's reasonable KC brings in a center and I think it's high time LDT gets some serious competition.

Personally, I think taking interior o-lineman in round 1 is a fool's errand. I'm much more receptive to rounds 2 and 3.

I'm not saying throw him away. I'm just not handing him a starting spot.

I think in this modern NFL, in which the ball typically comes out fast, interior line is going to be a more valued asset than in the past. Fifteen years ago? Yeah, you don't draft an interior lineman in the first. Now? Look at how much poor interior line play screws up our offense. Look at the effect it has on Mahomes. Look at the effect it has on our running game. Damien Wilson looked just fine down the stretch last year; this year he looks like shit. What's different? Interior line play.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I'm not saying throw him away. I'm just not handing him a starting spot.

I think in this modern NFL, in which the ball typically comes out fast, interior line is going to be a more valued asset than in the past. Fifteen years ago? Yeah, you don't draft an interior lineman in the first. Now? Look at how much poor interior line play screws up our offense. Look at the effect it has on Mahomes. Look at the effect it has on our running game. Damien Wilson looked just fine down the stretch last year; this year he looks like shit. What's different? Interior line play.

There's alot of value in drafting collegiate tackles that aren't quite good enough to be 1st round guys and stay out on the edge in the NFL in the 2nd round or later. The Packers are a case-in-point on this strategy.

I do agree on interior line play being critical now days, but tackles remain premium because edge rushers are faster than ever.


The center class is extremely weak this year. Last year it was really strong. If I'm KC, I probably target a guy like Glasgow in FA as a Center and draft a Guard prospect day 2.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Rankin just wasn't a dumpster fire like Wylie. I don't think that means we ought to be holding a starting spot for him.

We need the entire inside rebuild. LG-C-RG.

They're collectively awful. Our OT situation is decent.

Yeah, the collective CP assertion that Rankin is clearly starter material is...odd.

I mean, there's little question we can find these exact posts about Wylie and Reiter from last year. And both of those guys had FAR more exposure last season before they came off the rails this year. And in the process I think Wylie actually looked better last season than Rankin did this season (I'm not sure I understand when Rankin became so good).

I think Rankin's performance in a short span is 1) being overstated a bit and 2) being given too much weight anyway given that he's suffered a significant knee injury and the last G we had who's' knee blew out (Ehinger) never recovered.

No - they can't bank on Rankin, IMO. And Reiter HAS to go. But regarding Biadasz, I can't see anything to call him a better prospect than Bradbury was a year ago. And while Bradbury has gotten better, he was rooouuuuugh over the first half.

So I'm not saying that Biadasz isn't worth keeping an eye on, but I don't think he's a panacea or sure thing in his own right. Honestly, the situation is just so damn bad in there (especially with LDT costing far more than he's worth) that I'm struggling to find a way to resolve it in a single offseason short of some big time luck in the draft.

If the Chiefs could luck into a Larry Warford type of guy in the 3rd round, that would just be aces. Gimme a nice young rookie C, a 2nd round RB (I think that's where the value is in this draft) and Warford 2.0 in the third, then a solid TE2 who can bring our 12 personnel up a notch (as we run that the 4th most in the league), and I'd be juuuuust fine with that draft.

The "WE NEED A CORNER!!!!" crowd would have kittens, but the amount of pressure that would take off Mahomes would just be immense.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah, the collective CP assertion that Rankin is clearly starter material is...odd.

I mean, there's little question we can find these exact posts about Wylie and Reiter from last year. And both of those guys had FAR more exposure last season before they came off the rails this year. And in the process I think Wylie actually looked better last season than Rankin did this season (I'm not sure I understand when Rankin became so good).

I think Rankin's performance in a short span is 1) being overstated a bit and 2) being given too much weight anyway given that he's suffered a significant knee injury and the last G we had who's' knee blew out (Ehinger) never recovered.

No - they can't bank on Rankin, IMO. And Reiter HAS to go. But regarding Biadasz, I can't see anything to call him a better prospect than Bradbury was a year ago. And while Bradbury has gotten better, he was rooouuuuugh over the first half.

So I'm not saying that Biadasz isn't worth keeping an eye on, but I don't think he's a panacea or sure thing in his own right. Honestly, the situation is just so damn bad in there (especially with LDT costing far more than he's worth) that I'm struggling to find a way to resolve it in a single offseason short of some big time luck in the draft.

If the Chiefs could luck into a Larry Warford type of guy in the 3rd round, that would just be aces. Gimme a nice young rookie C, a 2nd round RB (I think that's where the value is in this draft) and Warford 2.0 in the third, then a solid TE2 who can bring our 12 personnel up a notch (as we run that the 4th most in the league), and I'd be juuuuust fine with that draft.

The "WE NEED A CORNER!!!!" crowd would have kittens, but the amount of pressure that would take off Mahomes would just be immense.

Travis Frederick and Kevin Zeitler are probably the two best interior OL to come from Wisconsin in the past 10 years. And they took some time to adjust to the NFL. I remember Frederick's 2nd ever game as a starting C. He faced Dontari Poe as a 2nd year pro and got utterly ****ing demolished so bad I thought his prospects for being a starting pro in the league would be significantly delayed.

Bladasz has a lot more polish to transition to the pros than Frederick did, but it will be interesting. Somehow Andy Reid made it so Mitch Morse, a converted OT from college could start day one in the pros, so I'd like to believe given a 1st round talent he could find somebody pretty damn good.

[Chargem]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If the Chiefs could luck into a Larry Warford type of guy in the 3rd round, that would just be aces. Gimme a nice young rookie C, a 2nd round RB (I think that's where the value is in this draft) and Warford 2.0 in the third, then a solid TE2 who can bring our 12 personnel up a notch (as we run that the 4th most in the league), and I'd be juuuuust fine with that draft.

The "WE NEED A CORNER!!!!" crowd would have kittens, but the amount of pressure that would take off Mahomes would just be immense.

You didn't use the 1st round pick above, I'd be fine with CB, RB, C, TE, whatever in the 5th. Cut Watkins, re-sign Jones and Ogbah then bring in a mid tier FA CB and LB for competition and I'd be down.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Bladasz has a lot more polish to transition to the pros than Frederick did, but it will be interesting. Somehow Andy Reid made it so Mitch Morse, a converted OT from college could start day one in the pros, so I'd like to believe given a 1st round talent he could find somebody pretty damn good.

Some of my favorite early clips of Andy were those of him coaching the OL. That dude knows offensive line play, man. He gets right into the nuts and bolts of it; talks mechanics with those guys.

That's why its so crazy to see him go all 'ride or die' with Wylie and Reiter. He KNOWS those guys are bad. He's not Todd Haley out there just yelling "GIVE ME MORE PASS PLAYS" and trying out his Madden Playbook. He actually knows what he's looking at.

I just don't understand it.

Originally Posted by Chargem

You didn't use the 1st round pick above, I'd be fine with CB, RB, C, TE, whatever in the 5th. Cut Watkins, re-sign Jones and Ogbah then bring in a mid tier FA CB and LB for competition and I'd be down.

I was presuming that the #1 was spent on Biadasz in that scenario; he's your 'young rookie C'.

And I would still JIMP if we got Kenneth Murray in the 1st.

It's just gonna be tough to address that OL absent spending FA money on it and I'm just not sure where to find it if you intend to bring back Jones or extend Mahomes.

I'm guessing Murray gets looked at as a luxury item and they'll just stick with Hitchens for another year while hoping they can get Ragland on a $3.5-$4 million AAV deal for 2 years. Then they go heavy on OL in the draft.

And fellas, our OTs aren't getting younger - that's gonna need significant attention in the near future as well.

We've neglected the fatties for too long. It's time to pay that tab.