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Old 07-21-2018, 01:39 PM  
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SBNation: It should cost 1 point to punt.

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Why it should cost one point to punt
Here are seven ways this would make football better.
By Ryan Nanni
Jul 19, 2018, 5:33pm EDT

Many blackjack tables have a surrender option that, without getting too detailed, allows you to fold your hand after all the cards have been dealt but before you do anything else. If you think your bad cards are likely to lose to the good card the dealer’s showing, you get to keep half of what you bet while the house gets the other half.

It’s an interesting wrinkle, and one many players just avoid. It’s the equivalent of punting in blackjack, with one major difference: punting doesn’t formally cost you anything.

You’re going to say, “hey, punting means you don’t have the ball anymore, and maybe they’re going to score on a punt return!” While all those things are true, those costs are still clearly not high enough to keep coaches from punting on fourth-and-short or in opponent territory or all the other times we wish they wouldn’t.

I don’t blame coaches for their hesitation. I blame the risk/reward calculus football has provided them, so I propose we change it by deducting one point from each team that punts, every time.

(waiting for thunderous applause to stop)

Thank you. Here’s why I think this will make football better:

1. Keep games closer.

Right now, one purpose the punt serves is to protect a lead. This doesn’t eliminate that entirely, but it does compromise it. Punt on your last three possessions in the current system with a 17-point lead, and your opponent has to score every time they get the ball. Do the same thing under this new system, and now they only need two touchdowns.

Essentially, we’re making coaches really consider whether or not to punt, rather than just do it because it’s the comparatively safe option.

2. It’s more balanced than you think.

In 2017, FBS teams punted a combined 8,233 times. So we have 8,000-plus points to distribute, though not evenly. Alabama and Ohio State, for instance, each had 39 more punts forced than punts themselves, which isn’t that surprising, given that both had top-10 defenses in S&P+.

But it doesn’t just reward teams with good defenses. Oklahoma State’s also picking up 31 net points in this system. That’s largely because of their offense, which only punted 41 times all year, tied for second-fewest.

On the other end of the spectrum, teams like Oregon State, Kansas, and Illinois punted at least 20 more times than their opponents did, adding to their scoring deficits. Those teams won a combined four games, so, yeah, I’m not gonna feel too guilty about that.

It feels tricky to say which games this would’ve flipped, because coaches wouldn’t have made the same decisions. But for one example, 2017 Michigan State beat Michigan by four while punting 11 times to UM’s seven, so if that game had played out the same way, it would’ve gone to overtime.

(Florida loses 10 points, and Iowa loses five, for the record.)

3. Coaches will have to go for it on fourth more often.

Take the end of regulation of last year’s Rose Bowl. An incomplete pass on third down left Oklahoma facing fourth-and-2 at their own 45 with 17 seconds to go and the game tied. In reality, they punted it away and played for overtime. That’s not gonna work here. Every game that’s tied late now feels like overtime!

4. When coaches elect to punt, it’s going to feel weightier.

Let’s go to the early fourth quarter of 2017’s Miami-FSU game, when the Canes had the ball at their own 44. It was fourth-and-6, and they led 10-3. Punting still might be smart; your defense has played pretty well, and you can give Florida State a long field to march down. But if you do that, you’ll put them in position to take the lead with a touchdown or tie it with two field goals.

Is that a good trade in a close game with a lot of time left to play? Let’s find out!

5. Fake punts would be even more satisfying.

Take this Melvin Ingram touchdown against Georgia in 2011.



That’s not a seven-point swing in a close game. That’s an EIGHT-point swing. Even fakes that don’t work are going to be a little more enjoyable — you didn’t punt, so you didn’t lose a point!

6. It rewards defenses more tangibly.

Stopping your opponent deep in their own territory is going to be more satisfying when you’re getting a point for it AND likely winding up with good field position. Even if the offense squanders it, you’ve got something positive to show for it.

Heck, coaches already feel this is the way this should work, based on the convoluted offense-vs.-defense scoring systems they’ve devised for spring games. Jim Tressel has a championship ring, and he gave his defense one point whenever they forced a punt!

7. Scores are going to get really, really funny. Remember this game?



Michigan punted four times, so let’s mark them down to 74. Rutgers? SIXTEEN PUNTS AND A FINAL SCORE OF 74 TO NEGATIVE SIXTEEN HELL YES.
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Old 07-22-2018, 03:14 AM   #31
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Spiking the ball should be intentional grounding.
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Old 07-22-2018, 04:41 AM   #32
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At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. I award you no points...
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Old 07-22-2018, 04:53 AM   #33
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Old 07-22-2018, 07:37 AM   #34
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Old 07-22-2018, 08:15 AM   #35
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This is a loon Direction/Athletic level bad idea
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Old 07-22-2018, 12:27 PM   #36
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If I had to guess, I'd say that the offense scores about 65 percent of points, special teams scores 30 (if you count extra points for them), and the defense scores 5. This is a big imbalance.

If we want to fix it, we need more special teams points and more defensive points. I propose the following:

Special Teams:

1 point for the kicking team per fair catch
2 points for a kickoff between the uprights
12 points for a touchdown return
2 points per blocked kick or punt
2 points for a return that is stopped inside the 10

Defense
1 point per quarterback sack or tackle for loss
3 points per turnover
1 point for forcing a fourth down
1 point for any incomplete pass that touches a receiver

That should even it up. We can turn this sport into a pinball game.
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Old 07-22-2018, 01:15 PM   #37
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Forcing a team to punt is worth a point, but a safety is still only worth 2?

A safety is like the defense scoring a TD without possession of the ball. Just as the offense scores a TD because they're basically out of yards on the field they can possibly gain, a defense has pretty much scored because they've forced the offense back so far they're no longer in the field of play... the offense is out of yards they can be pushed back.

To me, I always thought a safety should be worth more. Maybe keep the "bullshit" safeties at 2 points like fumbling into the end zone out of bounds or offensive holding that occurs in the end zone. Everything else, however, should be worth more. Perhaps double it to 4, or you could even treat a safety like a defensive TD, which is what I argued for earlier.

I think that rule should be changed before we **** around with subtracting points for punts.
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Old 07-22-2018, 01:40 PM   #38
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Spiking the ball should be intentional grounding.
By the rule, it is intentional grounding. QB is between the tackles, the ball never passes the line of scrimmage, and there is no eligible receiver. Spiking the ball should be a loss of down and penalty yards assessed.
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Old 07-22-2018, 03:18 PM   #39
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Taking away points would get weird in a close game. What I would like to see is limit the number of punts per team through out the game. Don't know what a magic number would be though.
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Old 07-22-2018, 03:42 PM   #40
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If you force every coach to go for it on 4th down, it takes away the awesomeness and balls of actually doing it. It's no longer a bold move

It would take away alot of the depth and diversity from the game (i.e., aggressive vs conservative). When all coaches make the same decisions, that takes away 50% of the fun, and makes risky decisions like going for it, no longer "risky"
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Old 07-22-2018, 04:49 PM   #41
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Old 07-22-2018, 09:12 PM   #42
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How about when a ref misses a blatant call on the field he gets ball tagged in the nuts?
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Old 07-22-2018, 09:36 PM   #43
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Teams don't like to punt to Tyreek anyway .Lets penalize them.
I would penalize a team if the punt lands out of bounds. The receiving team gets the ball 15 yards from the line of scrimmage.

On kickoffs, I would only penalize for the kickoff landing out of bound. Lands in and bounces out, nice kick.
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