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**BigRedChief** · 01-02-2018, 05:51 PM

Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

Edit:
Matheny fired 07/14/2018

Opening Day Roster

Spoiler!

raybec 4 · 03-05-2018, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

if they try to sell that BS, no one is going to buy that crap. Oh we had to pay our 3B $4 million so we can’t pay Manny $30 million a year?

The last “official” revenue year documentation we have is 2016. The Cardinals took in $310 million. They now have at least an additional $100 million from the cable contract. Not to mention increases in national TV contracts and mlb.com revenue. It’s a good assumption they are going to have revenue in the $430-$450 million neighborhood.

Revenue does not equate to profit obviously. The fact that they have more money than previous years doesn't mean they should be throwing more at middling players who had one good year. They should be looking to get the highest value from every dollar spent. DeJong isn't it.

**BigRedChief** · 03-05-2018, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Whether you piss away $50 at a three-card-Monte game in one sitting, or $5 ten times playing the Lotto, you're still wasting money, and it all adds up.

l also think it’s sending a message to other prospects. You happily do what we tell you to do with training, play at this level etc. you don’t have to wait for 6 years in MLB to put millions in the bank. Take care of mom and dad.

raybec 4 · 03-05-2018, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

l also think it’s sending a message to other prospects. You happily do what we tell you to do with training, play at this level etc. you don’t have to wait for 6 years in MLB to put millions in the bank. Take care of mom and dad.

You're mighty free and easy with the Red Birds money BRC

**BigRedChief** · 03-05-2018, 04:45 PM

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You're mighty free and easy with the Red Birds money BRC

they have the money. They have went cheap the last few years. It’s time to spend it, and not on a Dejong.

l want them to go hard after Manny. Whatever you think the top of the market could possibly be, pay top $, go first, get him in the #3 hole and we will be legitimate contenders again.

bdj23 · 03-10-2018, 04:03 PM

So Lynn signed a 1/12 with the Twins. Rejected the 17.5 million qualifying offer from us.

Weird.

We couldn't have brought him back for that?

Miles · 03-10-2018, 04:05 PM

Appears the team has no interest in trying to bargain hunt with any of these vets that didn’t get big contracts.

bdj23 · 03-10-2018, 04:07 PM

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Appears the team has no interest in trying to bargain hunt with any of these vets that didn’t get big contracts.

But we'll sing Mikolas off the scrap heap.

Miles · 03-10-2018, 04:12 PM

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But we'll sing Mikolas off the scrap heap.

Or give $11m to a reliever coming off a bad year.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-10-2018, 04:12 PM

Well that ****ing sucks. The pick attached to Lynn now comes after the second round, not the first, b/c he gets less than $50 million guaranteed.

So, they sign Mikolas for $2/15.5 and get a pick between the second and third round while Lynn goes for 1/12, and the average value of the pick that replaces him is 1.5 WAR, total.

Mozeliak ****ed that deal up royally.

bdj23 · 03-10-2018, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Well that ****ing sucks. The pick attached to Lynn now comes after the second round, not the first, b/c he gets less than $50 million guaranteed.

So, they sign Mikolas for $2/15.5 and get a pick between the second and third round while Lynn goes for 1/12, and the average value of the pick that replaces him is 1.5 WAR, total.

Mozeliak ****ed that deal up royally.

Did they even talk to Lynn?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-10-2018, 04:22 PM

Why they wouldn't offer him something like 3/36 after his market wasn't there is astonishing.

**BigRedChief** · 03-10-2018, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Why they wouldn't offer him something like 3/36 after his market wasn't there is astonishing.

because we don’t need more pitching in 2019? Why pay for 3 years because your short on pitching in 2018 when your going nowhere?Maybe stuff was said between Lynn and the Cardinals they can’t take back? Who knows?

30 other teams took a pass on him. Why would it be so surprising that the Cardinals would pass too?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-10-2018, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

because we don’t need more pitching in 2019? Why pay for 3 years because your short on pitching in 2018 when your going nowhere?Maybe stuff was said between Lynn and the Cardinals they can’t take back? Who knows?

30 other teams took a pass on him. Why would it be so surprising that the Cardinals would pass too?

Because the guy has been a rock-damned-solid #3 pitcher for a long time and is all of 30 years old. Teams are passing on these guys because they fear losing the draft pick, but that creates value for their old teams in the process.

Again, assuming that Lynn would take that deal, Mozeliak could have ended up paying Lynn and DeJong 12.5 million for 2018 and 2019, or he could pay Mikolas and DeJong the same amount.

And think about all of the last "big" Cardinal prospects. Rasmus, Miller, Taveras, Martinez, Reyes. What makes you think that these young pitchers are a sure thing?

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-10-2018, 10:58 PM

Inexcusable letting him go for that.

**BigRedChief** · 03-11-2018, 12:15 AM

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Inexcusable letting him go for that.

and the 30 other teams that passed on him? If it was inexcusable, why did they pass? They all don’t care about winning?

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bdj23 In my youth i pray to keep bdj23's Avatar Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Clown World	So Lynn signed a 1/12 with the Twins. Rejected the 17.5 million qualifying offer from us. Weird. We couldn't have brought him back for that?
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! 'Hamas' Jenkins's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2006	Well that **ing sucks. The pick attached to Lynn now comes after the second round, not the first, b/c he gets less than $50 million guaranteed. So, they sign Mikolas for $2/15.5 and get a pick between the second and third round while Lynn goes for 1/12, and the average value of the pick that replaces him is 1.5 WAR, total. Mozeliak **ed that deal up royally.
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! 'Hamas' Jenkins's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2006	Why they wouldn't offer him something like 3/36 after his market wasn't there is astonishing.
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Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A.	Inexcusable letting him go for that.
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