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Old 11-29-2017, 11:47 PM   #2
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The Franchise was wrecked after 2003 when Carl kept the defense intact and extended guys. Then went all in in 05. Herm did what needed to be done though you could argue that should have been started in 06' not 07'.
Just like you, I never liked Carl for both personal and football related issues.

I found a pic of your heroes, both of them. or are they the same person?
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Old 11-29-2017, 11:57 PM   #3
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The Franchise was wrecked after 2003 when Carl kept the defense intact and extended guys. Then went all in in 05. Herm did what needed to be done though you could argue that should have been started in 06' not 07'.
Totally agree. Should have happened sooner. But at least it did. And once it did, it does us no good to half ass the commitment to the rebuild. I don't know how anyone can see it any other way. Those 2004 and 2005 contracts were loaded with backloading. And worst of all, to afford those contracts, we restructured our own player contracts to backload too. Our cap situation had to be one of the worst the modern cap system has seen (not to forget the laughably horrible cap managed by Daniel snyder)
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Old 11-30-2017, 12:01 AM   #4
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How'd his successor do?

Herm got us Bowe, Hali, Pollard, Dorsey, Charles, etc. Nobody would have succeeded in 08 with that young roster. He wasn't the man to win it all but at all same time it's not all his fault.
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Totally agree. Should have happened sooner. But at least it did. And once it did, it does us no good to half ass the commitment to the rebuild. I don't know how anyone can see it any other way. Those 2004 and 2005 contracts were loaded with backloading. And worst of all, to afford those contracts, we restructured our own player contracts to backload too. Our cap situation had to be one of the worst the modern cap system has seen (not to forget the laughably horrible cap managed by Daniel snyder)
No. I’m not going through all this same ****ing bullshit again. It’s all right here.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=296702

Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards was a garbage personnel man. As such he wrecked the ****ing franchise.
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Old 11-30-2017, 12:13 AM   #5
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Whatever man you're entitled to your opinion and you aren't 100 percent wrong but I will say if Herm was at KU instead of Beaty they'd have more talent and win 3 or 4 games.
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Old 11-29-2017, 11:46 PM   #6
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So I’m guessing based on Buehler’s doctoral paper here that Herm wrecked the franchise?
Not according to Zilla and Zilla-mult. All Vermiels fault.
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Old 11-30-2017, 12:27 AM   #7
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I really don't even know why they fired the coach they had.

He wasn't doing that bad.
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Old 11-30-2017, 12:41 AM   #8
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I really don't even know why they fired the coach they had.

He wasn't doing that bad.
That's what confused me. I mean, 46-31 with a 31-23 in conference play isn't bad by any means, in a PAC12. Sooo.....
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Old 11-30-2017, 12:42 AM   #9
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Reading the AD's comments he wants to be a contender in college football. Well see if that happens.
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Old 11-30-2017, 12:47 AM   #10
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Reading the AD's comments he wants to be a contender in college football. Well see if that happens.
Well, if the AD really wanted a contender in Arizona State, the AD surely could have done a whole a lot better than Herman Edwards.....
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Well, if the AD really wanted a contender in Arizona State, the AD surely could have done a whole a lot better than Herman Edwards.....
We shall see. Washington State and Colorado have had success recently soooo....
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Old 11-30-2017, 02:41 AM   #12
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Bull****ingshit. Stop looking at the stupid ****ing cap. By year 3 it was moot anyway. The dead money was gone. Huge cap space and had cycled through a shitload of draft picks. Gargantuan UDFA classes and a chance to get whatever FA he wanted.

Stop getting bogged down in bullshit details that cloud your judgement of the situation. Fact of the matter is good personnel men make good personnel decisions. Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards made horrific decisions. That’s the end of it, man.

There were places all over this team for Ron Parker, Husain Abdullah, Josh Mauga types. Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of Clint Edwards got NONE of those type of guys.

I’ve been over this with you a million times before. Building a team takes more than hitting on 6 or so draft picks in 3 years. Herm was in charge of personnel. He was shit at it.

He wrecked the ****ing franchise.
If I concede your point that he should have been better at drafting, then your claim is our strategy was right but we should have been getting better faster. How exactly is being behind schedule "wrecking the franchise?"

But moving in the wrong strategic direction is acceptable... because it gets you a few garbage 6-10 seasons. Or better yet, making 1 playoff appearance but leaving behind the oldest roster in football with a gigantic multi-year cap mess... that's not wrecking the franchise? So it's okay to leave behind a 3 year mess, but god forbid we be a year or 2 behind in our development.

If you're a new GM, which situation would you want. The $20M over the cap talented veteran roster with all 30+ year old veterans and no young guys, or the $50M under the cap roster with no talent. That's about as easy of a question as you're gonna get. A few years ago, Gus Bradley was scapegoated for building a roster the same way. They called him a 3-win coach - he knew he could spend on players to immediately build his credibility, but he patiently stuck it out. Don't think there's a damn person that looks at Jacksonville's team right now and hates what that team turned into.
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Old 11-30-2017, 02:55 PM   #13
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If I concede your point that he should have been better at drafting, then your claim is our strategy was right but we should have been getting better faster. How exactly is being behind schedule "wrecking the franchise?"

But moving in the wrong strategic direction is acceptable... because it gets you a few garbage 6-10 seasons. Or better yet, making 1 playoff appearance but leaving behind the oldest roster in football with a gigantic multi-year cap mess... that's not wrecking the franchise? So it's okay to leave behind a 3 year mess, but god forbid we be a year or 2 behind in our development.

If you're a new GM, which situation would you want. The $20M over the cap talented veteran roster with all 30+ year old veterans and no young guys, or the $50M under the cap roster with no talent. That's about as easy of a question as you're gonna get. A few years ago, Gus Bradley was scapegoated for building a roster the same way. They called him a 3-win coach - he knew he could spend on players to immediately build his credibility, but he patiently stuck it out. Don't think there's a damn person that looks at Jacksonville's team right now and hates what that team turned into.
Look man. If you think the best anyone can do with Vermiels roster is 5-11, despite teams in the NFL constantly dumping payroll and churning age off the roster without being a complete and utter ****ing joke, then that’s just you being ****ing obtuse and refusing to stop white knighting Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards who wrecked the ****ing franchise.

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Old 11-30-2017, 02:58 PM   #14
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I don't wish Herm Edwards to coach any team but please get rid of him on ESPN.
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If he takes the job I may go to a few games to check out all the hot chicks and use him as the excuse as why a 54 year old guy is sitting alone in the stands with sunglasses among all the college kids and not really watching the game.
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